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There is a reason why Dank was chased by major sporting clubs all over the world..

i understand that Vlad and Lukin went down the 'Dank is the problem' path and hence we are here.. but right now.. I don't think Dank is as stupid as people make out.

I would also note that Dank is yet to receive any official punishment from ASADA.. instead they have 'requested' that AFL and NRL ban him.. which I still don't understand how they can do that legally.

Why no ADRVP for Dank if they have a 'bullet proof' case????
 

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There is a reason why Dank was chased by major sporting clubs all over the world..

i understand that Vlad and Lukin went down the 'Dank is the problem' path and hence we are here.. but right now.. I don't think Dank is as stupid as people make out.

I would also note that Dank is yet to receive any official punishment from ASADA.. instead they have 'requested' that AFL and NRL ban him.. which I still don't understand how they can do that legally.

Why no ADRVP for Dank if they have a 'bullet proof' case????
Again, he is on the register of findings and has been for months.
 

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Hence why ASADA has asked the AFL and NRL to ban him; the infraction hearings are heard by a tribunal of their own league and since Dank no longer works for either, his RoF means jack shit at the moment.
So the key person in all of this is
  1. Not worth interviewing
  2. Worth putting on the RoF, but not worth prosecuting
Just want to make sure I understand this right, and that these are the actions of principled people.
 

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Hence why ASADA has asked the AFL and NRL to ban him; the infraction hearings are heard by a tribunal of their own league and since Dank no longer works for either, his RoF means jack shit at the moment.
As I said.. how can you 'ban' him without a tribunal hearing? Thanks for just repeating my point.

They have asked for Dank to be 'banned' for an unspecified amount of time (presumably life) without an infraction notice, without a hearing and without ANY evidence being put forward to an independent tribunal. Again I ask how that is legal and/or following their own procedures.

ROF (as you well know) is akin to be 'charged' with a crime.. you are not guilty, and therefore should face no penalty, until PROVEN otherwise.
 

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And why do you believe he is on ROF? He wasn't as of last month.. so do you know something the rest of the sporting world doesn't?

And IF he has been put on ROF as you claim, then why hasn't AFL issued an IN? Which, according to their own processes, they are meant to do 'as soon as possible' and 'without undue delay'.
 

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In which case you can't have players provisionally suspended for that period.

I doubt that there will be 34 that end up at tribunal anyway.. there is already 'rumours' that they won't issue 34 new notices.. it might be less. So depending on what evidence they have against which players.. maybe there will be less.

How long do you think they would 'hear' each case for? I can't see it going longer than 4 hours of presentation. Deliberation could take a week or more depending on whether there was a 'predetermined' outcome (I know there shouldn't be.. but this is the AFL). Also think most of the leg work will be already done via written submissions.

I agree thought.. it is going to take at least a month for the hearings to be completed.. at least.

I was talking about the fact that the AFL has less than 14 days to announce a hearing DATE after the ROF.. so not the actually hearing date.. but to 'start' proceedings. The actual hearing date maybe a month down the track.. but the IN and Hearing date will be set fairly quickly after the official ROF.
This will drag out longer than you expect, especially if the AFL doesn't hand out provisional notices - You must be jesting when you say that ASADA will send out fewer notices - How could this be the case ?
 

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McDevitt said on August 24 on ABC that Dank had been placed on the ROF.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...tidoping-charges/story-fni5f22o-1227053025508

Dank claimed not to have been notified, however. Which is strange.
Yeah.. and I think McDevitt talks out his ass.

I find it highly unusual that a support person has supposedly been put on the ROF without being notified OR issued with an IN from the sporting body that was relevant to when the breaches occurred.

My gut feeling is that McDumbshit doesn't know the first farking thing about the process and probably thought that issuing a SCN= ROF automatically..

Either way it doesn't matter.. because without an IN and a hearing.. Dank isn't guilty and therefore can't be sanctioned, thus proving my original point that ASADA have no ******* clue what they are doing.
 

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I'd also suggest that this is yet another gross breach of privacy on behalf of ASADA. Basically conducting a doping 'process' via media.
 

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I'm just jaded and over the whole process. I have no confidence in ASADA to perform their duties.

And I actually find that terrifying and very sad.
 

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A couple of things have piqued my "miffed" meter lately.

Firstly, as rines has proven, Dank has not been officially sanctioned as per http://www.asada.gov.au/rules_and_violations/sanctions.html, unless ASADA are flagrantly contravening the "Under the World Anti-Doping Code, ASADA is required to place sanction information on the website for at least one year" aspect of their legislated obligations.

Secondly, that the relentless protocols ASADA are bound to adhere to, in the course of an investigation - such as the non requirement to provide "evidence" at the SCN stage have been arbitrarily dispensed with as a "good faith" gesture.

We've gone from a generic, 3 pages of foolscap and a "post it" note - to 50 pages + individualised - in the space of a couple of months? Not required by law?

Who, or what is deriving any solace or benefit from this divergence from the accepted process?
 

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We've gone from a generic, 3 pages of foolscap and a "post it" note - to 50 pages + individualised - in the space of a couple of months? Not required by law?
Methinks they are trying to play on the "all footballers are dumb" mentality that some people have, thereby confusing them with words. Lots of words.

"gee ma, them thar pages of words dunnu look good for me. So many words it must be true".

That and it will make the foamers think along those lines too.
 
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Methinks they are trying to play on the "all footballers are dumb" mentality that some people have, thereby confusing them with words. Lots of words.

"gee ma, them thar pages of words dunnu look good for me. So many words it must be true".

That and it will make the foamers think along those lines too.
govt dept way of burying information in a pile of irrelevance
 

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