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Nothing wrong with my viewpoint - And there is no reason why the AFL won't follow the NRL script - Your last paragraph is a contradiction - The AFL wnats this over so they may find short bans appealing.

The key is commonsense - As Lance so eloquently wrote - The code should only allow provisional suspensions for POSITIVE tests, not where there are no positive test - Commensense is sadly lacking in this situation. And as others have pointed out the WADA code is unsuitable for team based sports.
Its not a contradiction when you look at what the AFL want to occur-

-The AFL as a whole to look good, banning 34 players doesnt help that image
- Hearing each individual players case, banning them, hearing appeals, -Loooong process.

It is much more likely that the AFL would be angling to not ban any players at all than the scenarios you are proposing about just following along with what the NRL have done. I never said there was anything wrong with your viewpoint except that its based on only one idea, there are numerous other considerations that when taken into account lend to the idea that the AFL dont want players banned.
 

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If players consider the evidence and decide they probably were doped, what happens to Hird and Thompson?
Hard to say.. I've always thought they would both walk.. but then you wonder..

The playing list seems very keen for Hird to stay.. and really we now have a situation where half the list aren't even involved in this thing anymore.. so if they are OK with Hird staying.. and the '34' are happy for him to stay.. then who knows.

I still probably think that if the players are banned.. both men have to go. I guess it will depend on exactly what happened and when.

If Dank has told EVERYONE that it is thymomodulin.. labelled the vials and spreadsheet thymomodulin.. and then actually ordered and injected TB4.. then is that Hird's fault? Or is that truly one mans fraud?

Hard to answer. I would leave it in the hands of the playing group tbh. Ultimately they are the ones that will decide if they can play for Hird again.. or not.
 

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Its not a contradiction when you look at what the AFL want to occur-

-The AFL as a whole to look good, banning 34 players doesnt help that image
- Hearing each individual players case, banning them, hearing appeals, -Loooong process.

It is much more likely that the AFL would be angling to not ban any players at all than the scenarios you are proposing about just following along with what the NRL have done. I never said there was anything wrong with your viewpoint except that its based on only idea, there are numerous other considerations that when taken into account lend to the idea that the AFL dont want players banned.
The HUN article now mentioning that AFL might refuse to issue IN.. and ASADA then forced to take it to CAS... did I miss something or is that an option?

That would be really interesting.. if AFL refused to prosecute and it all ended up at CAS.. I actually think that would benefit the players.. CAS is very independent and will want the proof to be bullet proof..
 

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It's a fair indication of just how severe our scandal fatigue is on this board that so far this news doesn't even seem to be raising much reaction.

Just another shit situation. Same shit, different day.

Repeat after me... "I recall nothing".
How can I repeat when I can't recall in the first place? :(

Hard to say.. I've always thought they would both walk.. but then you wonder..

The playing list seems very keen for Hird to stay.. and really we now have a situation where half the list aren't even involved in this thing anymore.. so if they are OK with Hird staying.. and the '34' are happy for him to stay.. then who knows.

I still probably think that if the players are banned.. both men have to go. I guess it will depend on exactly what happened and when.

If Dank has told EVERYONE that it is thymomodulin.. labelled the vials and spreadsheet thymomodulin.. and then actually ordered and injected TB4.. then is that Hird's fault? Or is that truly one mans fraud?

Hard to answer. I would leave it in the hands of the playing group tbh. Ultimately they are the ones that will decide if they can play for Hird again.. or not.
Hird and Thompson have both said that they'll walk if players are suspended, have they not?
 

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It's a fair indication of just how severe our scandal fatigue is on this board that so far this news doesn't even seem to be raising much reaction.

Just another shit situation. Same shit, different day.

How can I repeat when I can't recall in the first place? :(

Hird and Thompson have both said that they'll walk if players are suspended, have they not?
Yep, and they need to if players deal or are banned
 

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It's a fair indication of just how severe our scandal fatigue is on this board that so far this news doesn't even seem to be raising much reaction.

Just another shit situation. Same shit, different day.

How can I repeat when I can't recall in the first place? :(

Hird and Thompson have both said that they'll walk if players are suspended, have they not?
No Thompson said he'll walk.. I think he indicated they would both walk.. I don't know. I've been pretty consistent that you can't keep them on.. but then I saw the club fall apart at the suggestion Hird would be sacked.. so now I've changed my mind.. I just don't know.

I think it will depend on what happens and what they decide to do.

If the players believe they are innocent.. BUT they are offered some sweetheart deal that sees them miss Round 1 and then back by Round 2.. and they want to take that option.. then that is their right.. but does that mean Hird has to leave?? I'm just not sure anymore.

I am also now VERY aware of the growing reality that we have OVER half our list that is 'new' since that period.. ie they still need a coach.. they still need guidance and they need stability. I am aware of the fact that several players have chosen our club specifically because Hird is here.

As I've posted on this thread before.. we can now put a decent side on the park in the 'worst' case scenario and the liklihood of players taking some BS deal appear to be growing.

I would totally leave it in the hands of the players. Have an open meeting including all players.. they all raise their hands yay or nay.. and whatever the group decides.. goes.
 

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The HUN article now mentioning that AFL might refuse to issue IN.. and ASADA then forced to take it to CAS... did I miss something or is that an option?

That would be really interesting.. if AFL refused to prosecute and it all ended up at CAS.. I actually think that would benefit the players.. CAS is very independent and will want the proof to be bullet proof..
Like i said, the AFL from here on out will actually work in our favour. They are a rotten scheming organisation. They dont want players banned, there will be measures taken so that they are protected. The flaws in the system may benefit us this time.

This is why i quoted Yaco, in an ideal world where the system worked? Sure our players would probably be banned by the AFL. As we have seen though this system is so broken that i think there is a strong case for nothing coming of this at all. AFL X Broom =Rug.
 

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I feel meh about it.. because I think we already know what the situation is.. and it doesn't appear to change.. ASADA think some flimsy line connecting shady character A to H and then EFC is enough.. we are yet to see what the players think.

Remembering that we haven't actually seen what the players will do.

This happening now is good.. I was worried ASADA were going to stall some more. It means the clubs plan to launch legal action worked too.. the players now have 3-4 months to deal with this crap without it effecting the season. Much better all round.

Time to get an answer.. whatever that means.
 
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