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I have just heard from a reliable source (I think) that Baguley has not received a SCN notice either. Being on the rookie list at the time, he did not participate in the program. If that is correct then you would think that Dalgleish would also be unaffected.

Taking the current count of players unaffected (including #17+#20) to 24 (22 main list + 2 Rookies). So that leaves a potential 18 main list player affected. Of that list, I count 11 current 'best 22' players.

So it really now does become a 50/50 situation of those effected and those not. I don't know whether that makes it easier for the players to 'continue as normal' or harder because they will feel less 'us/them'..
 
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He came in like a "................

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Is this McDevitt's greatest moment in public? Is he trying to be the Miley Cyrus style wrecking ball that finishes off Hirdy and just maybe our great club. Ok he is new to the role, but there would have been no shame saying, guess what, ASADA botched the investigation, let bygones be bygones. But no like a bad CEO pursuing his predecessors flawed strategy he's driving towards a Richard (Cliff not Ings).
 

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The players’ legal team will review more than 12,000 pages of evidence this weekend, but one player manager said last night his clients were prepared to see what deals the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority was willing to table to end the saga.

“If you were offered three months (over summer) you would think about it,” the manager said last night. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...howcause-notices/story-fni5f6kv-1227094044007

interesting if true
 

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I have just heard from a reliable source (I think) that Baguley has not received a SCN notice either. Being on the rookie list at the time, he did not participate in the program. If that is correct then you would think that Dalgleish would also be unaffected.

Taking the current count of players unaffected (including #17+#20) to 24 (22 main list + 2 Rookies). So that leaves a potential 18 main list player affected. Of that list, I count 11 current 'best 22' players.

So it really now does become a 50/50 situation of those effected and those not. I don't know whether that makes it easier for the players to 'continue as normal' or harder because they will feel less 'us/them'..


Last round of scn's baggers got one , so if that's the case I wonder what potentially changed ?
 

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Current Worst Case Scenario team:
(Current 'potential best 22 irrespective' players in bold)
FB: Baguley Fletcher Hams
HB: Winderlich Gwilt Ashby
C: Cooney Z Merrett Gleeson
HF: Chappy Ambrose Aylett
FF: Kommer JD Fantasia
R: Giles, BJ, Zaka
Int: Edwards, Dalgleish, #17, Sub:#20/Raynor/McKenna

So the team will only contain two players that have never played AFL before (17+20), the average age of the team will be 23.5 years making it 'middle of the road'. It will also have an average of 87 games experience, making it 'middle of the road' for experience. It would contain only 5 tall players in key posts, with no back up should they go 'down'. It would not require anyone to play 'out of position' other than Gwilt who would take the 2nd key forward instead of 3rd key forward. BJ might have to play a key back role as sweeper to cover for the lack of tall defenders. The forward line key structure we used in the EF, of Ambrose, JD and chappy remains unchanged.

There are strong rumours that there is an unofficial 'deal' on the table that would see Six Month bans commencing (backdated to today) 17/10/2014 and extending until 17/5/2015, resulting in the players missing the first two rounds of the season and being eligible to play in Round 3 next year. The players would not be entitled to train at the club, however are permitted to train with each other as long as they are not assisted by any employee of the club. The players would be permitted to attend AFL games, but are not allowed contact with EFC officials, support staff or other athletes.

There was talk that the bans should be backdated until last September, date of last game, however ASADA have rejected that as it would mean missing no game time. The above mentioned deal is apparently 'acceptable' to ASADA. At this stage it is not clear if players would be entitled to backdated bans IF found guilty by a tribunal. There is suggestion that if they 'voluntarily' don't return to the club now.. then the bans can be back dated from the date they last trained at the club. Which was before the EF. Thus even if they were found guilty, they should return to football in March next year.

I can understand players not wanting to take deals.. and remaining committed to fighting.. but personally.. I think they should take the decision now to 'voluntarily' stand down for the next 14 days until this can be heard by a tribunal.. keep working on their fitness plans etc etc.. but that way they can go to the tribunal having a bet each way.. if that makes sense. The talk of 'accepting' ROF and going straight to AFL tribunal, is because AFL is committed to having them heard in December at the latest.. so it can start next year with clean slate. So essentially the 18 affected players 'train separately' between now and December.. and many of them don't come back officially until mid November anyway.. so it might be an option.
 

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The players’ legal team will review more than 12,000 pages of evidence this weekend, but one player manager said last night his clients were prepared to see what deals the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority was willing to table to end the saga.

“If you were offered three months (over summer) you would think about it,” the manager said last night. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...howcause-notices/story-fni5f6kv-1227094044007

interesting if true
Probably Connors.
 

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Last round of scn's baggers got one , so if that's the case I wonder what potentially changed ?
Yeah.. especially as they said 34 again.. so very weird. I had always assumed Baggers got one.. as well as Dalgleish.. so who knows.

All just speculation.

I can really see players taking a 3 month deal and ending it.. as disappointing as that is.. we can get as angry as we like.. but there is a chance they can walk back into the club in February next year.. free and clear without this shit over their heads.. far out.. sophies choice.
 

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Yeah.. especially as they said 34 again.. so very weird. I had always assumed Baggers got one.. as well as Dalgleish.. so who knows.

All just speculation.

I can really see players taking a 3 month deal and ending it.. as disappointing as that is.. we can get as angry as we like.. but there is a chance they can walk back into the club in February next year.. free and clear without this shit over their heads.. far out.. sophies choice.
not some of the staff though. Taking deals is admitting banned substances were used, which is a massive game changer for those who ran the club in 2012
 

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I'm sorry.. but how the glory be is this statement legal:
“There is no positive test for any of them but we believe that the evidence that is there is sufficient, in our view, to prove the use of a prohibited substance,” he said.

Last time I checked.. you can't publicly declare an athlete has taken a banned substance before he has been found guilty.. surely???!!!!!!!

I mean seriously???????????????????? Trial by media anyone?
 

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Yeah.. especially as they said 34 again.. so very weird. I had always assumed Baggers got one.. as well as Dalgleish.. so who knows.

All just speculation.

I can really see players taking a 3 month deal and ending it.. as disappointing as that is.. we can get as angry as we like.. but there is a chance they can walk back into the club in February next year.. free and clear without this shit over their heads.. far out.. sophies choice.
Agreed I just want this over and done with , and I work with a mate of baggers and he asked me around the time of the last scn's what was going to happen to him ... So he defiantly got one last round , I think he even posted it on his Instagram , so very weird
 

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How can the court have ignored stuff like this:
McDevitt said the evidence against the players was “comprehensive and compelling”.

I mean.. this is not legal. You can't state something is comprehensive and compelling before it has been tested in any meaningful manner.. surely.
Another McDumbshit roadshow.. bullying asshat.
 
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Whoa whoa wait, we're actually preparing for them to accept a ban now? The ****? I thought the sheer label of it was bad enough to fight it. Screw their scare tactics and go all the way!

Although that is how this club's handled a few things lately. Puff up the chest to draw the situation out and then fall for nothing.
 

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I've been at a very long lunch. Has the public reaction been similar to these parts? It's very meh all round really.
It's the usual wank. Very strategic work from ASADA, waiting until right after the trade period to re-commence their show cause notices so media pressure would remain on the players, and wouldn't be distracted with "Crows want Zac Dawson" stories.
We'll see how we go. I doubt anything's changed.
 

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Whoa whoa wait, we're actually preparing for them to accept a ban now? The ****? I thought the sheer label of it was bad enough to fight it. Screw their scare tactics and go all the way!

Although that is how this club's handled a few things lately. Puff up the chest to draw the situation out and then fall for nothing.
I think the way we are all talking about it is just a knock-on effect of the way the media are talking about it. The media are talking about how players will "consider taking deals", which doesn't mean anything. Consideration technically occurs when you think about an option for five seconds. Mick Warner's article talks about how penalties are expected to be handed down before Christmas, which is bloody irresponsible. He should have said a decision is expected prior to Christmas.

Personally, I doubt the players will suddenly all take deals, because the evidence is likely to be very circumstantial, however we can't know for sure until the players respond to it. For now, it's some classic waiting game participation time.
 

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I don't think the players were given banned substances. I don't think the players believe they were given banned substances.

The truth in this sage, however, was lost long ago. Right now.. if faced with another 6 months of battles to clear their names.. or a resolution that sees them back in March next year.. I can see some choosing the easy road.

Who knows.. but it is a bold new day when Caro actually writes a story that points out that we only have 18 players left on the list from that period.. and that we would 'comfortably' be able to field a team. At least some progress has been made.
 

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Already guilty according to the AFLPA.


The 32 other players are being represented by a legal team led by the AFL Players’ Association.

A representative of the players said last night he hoped the tribunal could sit next month and penalties were handed down by Christmas.
 
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