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Just read the whole thing. TLDR version; The 350 page document given to players has so many holes in it, essentially it is composed entirely of the little circles of paper that a hole-punch leaves behind sticky taped together.
Chads - the little circles of paper that a hole-punch leaves behind are called chads.
 

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Just read the whole thing. TLDR version; The 350 page document given to players has so many holes in it, essentially it is composed entirely of the little circles of paper that a hole-punch leaves behind sticky taped together.
The asada reports are perfect for the court of public opinion. Considering this investigation should be private it's nothing short of disgraceful.
 

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Just read the whole thing. TLDR version; The 350 page document given to players has so many holes in it, essentially it is composed entirely of the little circles of paper that a hole-punch leaves behind sticky taped together.
I'm confused though. The timing of this entry suggests SC, but Is Francis dissecting the SCs or the Interim report? The headline suggests the latter.

Either way, it's a good examination of the issues with ASADA's assertions.
 

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I'm confused though. The timing of this entry suggests SC, but Is Francis dissecting the SCs or the Interim report? The headline suggests the latter.

Either way, it's a good examination of the issues with ASADA's assertions.
Thought the same thing but clearly he is implying that alot of the evidence is the same. But he cannot know that, which makes the article pointless in that regard.
 

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Thought the same thing but clearly he is implying that alot of the evidence is the same. But he cannot know that, which makes the article pointless in that regard.
I think most of it still applies though, in the sense that Charters would have supplied all of his evidence prior to the release of the interim report. So for instance, it's likely that ASADA still don't have any evidence of Dank asking Charters to go overseas, etc.

I think one important thing to come out of it, of many, is that even the supplier referred to thymomodulluin simply as thymosin, and made a distinction between it and thymosin beta 4.
 

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I think most of it still applies though, in the sense that Charters would have supplied all of his evidence prior to the release of the interim report. So for instance, it's likely that ASADA still don't have any evidence of Dank asking Charters to go overseas, etc.

I think one important thing to come out of it, of many, is that even the supplier referred to thymomodulluin simply as thymosin, and made a distinction between it and thymosin beta 4.
It very well could, but the investigation has continued beyond the release of that report. We dont know if they have any additional evidence that they have found to support Charters claims. If you look at the case as its stands best to ignore the interim report even if it the only guideline we have.
 

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Is the argument whether it was Thymomodulin or TB4, or is the argument whether it was Thymomodulin and TB4. If ASADA are saying we did both it's really pointless arguing the confusion of the "or" argument.

Arguments please.
 

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Obviously you have to take everything written on the topic with a big grain of salt.. but if an 'armchair' warrior can put out so many obvious errors in the material released thus far... then the lawyers should (and probably will) have a field day.

The question I continue to have is regarding the quantity. Even ASADA seem to have conceeded that the most TB4 then can even begin to start suggesting could have potentially come near an EFC player was enough for about 25 players to have ONE injection of the stuff....

I mean seriously.. wtf is one injection going to do? I mean if you are designing a 'sophisticated, ordered and regimented' doping program would you go and order enough for HALF your participates to have ONE dose?? It makes no sense. They barely have enough raw material to 'completely' treat one athlete for a month.

I also found it interesting to see it laid out so clearly that the Chinese supplier apparently referred to TWO products.. Thymomodulin (written as Thymosin or Thymosin Alpha) and Thymosin Beta 4 (written as same). Surely this further suggests that anytime there was a 'Thymosin' reference it is far more likely to be in reference to the Alpha.. which is legal.. and not the Beta...??

Everything you read really does paint a picture of an agency trying to throw enough mud to hope something sticks. I imagine that is the 'evidence' that Dank believes he has.. emails from the suppliers listed Thymomodulin as Thymosin.. and matching that up with the spreadsheets, invoices and messages etc etc.

Also.. and this is important.. ASADA have still not been able to put any link together that Dank was ordering off Charters for EFC. There is no texts or emails apparently where it is specifically stated that the requested products are for EFC.

Good luck ASADA.. good luck. I still think some players will take deals and have this over with by Christmas.. but it is wrong on every level.

I mean FFS.. you have a newspaper article claiming that Ryder thinks he did nothing wrong, the AFLPA thinks the players did nothing wrong, ASADA isn't even sure if the player did something wrong.. but he should plead guilty so he can get on with life??? WTF is happening here??
 

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Is the argument whether it was Thymomodulin or TB4, or is the argument whether it was Thymomodulin and TB4. If ASADA are saying we did both it's really pointless arguing the confusion of the "or" argument.

Arguments please.
There has been nothing to suggest they believe it was both. There is no mention of TB4 anywhere... ASADA have just decided that whereever they see the reference 'Thymosin' it means TB4 not Thymomodulin.
 
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It's based off the interim report and looks to have been written in 2013.

I feel as though Bruce may be cherry-picking a bit and putting across his (sometimes erroneous) statements as fact. Not saying he is way off the mark but I would like to see the interim report in full (as to not lose any context) before drawing any conclusions. Anyway, interesting to get a glimpse. Wonder if Alavi's temporary pharmacist was interviewed by ASADA.
 

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I took a look at the name of the journo gossip columnist who wrote it & didnt read, wouldnt pay attention to a word of it.
 

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What's people's thoughts on this article , me thinks it's just more conditioning the public than anything , let it be over soon !
Pretty much what Gil said on tv last night, words to the effect of "everyone just wants it over". Actually Gil, I want to know what happened, and if that means it drags on and impacts you then boo ******* hoo.
 
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Another nothing article except for this bit:

“I’ve spoken with the CEO of the AFL and we have agreed that ASADA will be present at any tribunal hearings and will be directly involved in the presentation of the evidence in relation to these matters should they get that far,” Mr McDevitt said.

Guessing that ASADA are gearing up to table a few deals pretty soon and have Gil's blessing and support.
 
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“The panel (the Anti-Doping Rule Violation Panel) don’t have to make any decision about it warranting action, they simply have to agree or disagree with me on a possible violation. So yes, it’s not a significant burden of proof.”

And if they don't agree then what Mcdipshit?
 

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Another nothing article except for this bit:

“I’ve spoken with the CEO of the AFL and we have agreed that ASADA will be present at any tribunal hearings and will be directly involved in the presentation of the evidence in relation to these matters should they get that far,” Mr McDevitt said.

Guessing that ASADA are gearing up to table a few deals pretty soon and have Gil's blessing and support.
Gil definitely wants that. Whether the players agree is another matter.
 
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