No Opposition Supporters CAS hands down guilty verdict - Players appealing - Dank shot - no opposition - (cont in pt.2)

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The judge can only rule on what he is asked to rule on, his ruling was purely on the legaility of the joint investigaton. ANd the legality of the interim report.

He isn't allowed to rule on questions/areas not asked.
It seemed pretty clear it was a joint investigation and this was illegal. Initially even ASADA themselves were denying it was a joint investigation technically. If they had no case to answer there would have been no denial. And then a non-credible witness in Aurora Andreuska appeared who couldn't recall much only for Middleton to praise her in conclusions. How anyone could praise a person for repeatedly answering I can't recall defies belief and leaves a bitter taste. It's an insult for mine.
 

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It seemed pretty clear it was a joint investigation and this was illegal. Initially even ASADA themselves were denying it was a joint investigation technically. If they had no case to answer there would have been no denial. And then a non-credible witness in Aurora Andreuska appeared who couldn't recall much only for Middleton to praise her in conclusions. How anyone could praise a person for repeatedly answering I can't recall defies belief and leaves a bitter taste. It's an insult for mine.
what's an insult is you thinking you know better than a federal court justice, frankly
 

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It seemed pretty clear it was a joint investigation and this was illegal. Initially even ASADA themselves were denying it was a joint investigation technically. If they had no case to answer there would have been no denial. And then a non-credible witness in Aurora Andreuska appeared who couldn't recall much only for Middleton to praise her in conclusions. How anyone could praise a person for repeatedly answering I can't recall defies belief and leaves a bitter taste. It's an insult for mine.
And if we didn't take banned substances, we wouldn't have wanted to take ASADA to court over the investigation.

That's more or less the line of reasoning you're using.
 

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It seemed pretty clear it was a joint investigation and this was illegal. Initially even ASADA themselves were denying it was a joint investigation technically. If they had no case to answer there would have been no denial. And then a non-credible witness in Aurora Andreuska appeared who couldn't recall much only for Middleton to praise her in conclusions. How anyone could praise a person for repeatedly answering I can't recall defies belief and leaves a bitter taste. It's an insult for mine.
What Lance said above.


I think this was a piss poor investigation, and I think the uncertainty withing ASADA to not offer an instant reply was poor.

I have no issue with people offering a legal agrgument as to why they believe Middletons decision was wrong. As long as that argument is on a legal basis. I've seeen a few people that have made valid points.

But, Middleton offered a sound legally reasoned as to why he believed the joint investigation was legal,
 

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what's an insult is you thinking you know better than a federal court justice, frankly
So does Hird, his lawyers and the club. And a fair few of us don't buy the "can't recall", credible witness bullshit.

JM got it completely wrong. Not the first or last time a judge will make a massive blunder.
 

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Richard Ings ‏@ringsau 1h1 hour ago
@TomBrowne7 I will be surprised if ASADA has its full argument brief and witness affidavits ready for a 15 Dec tribunal.

Richard Ings ‏@ringsau 1h1 hour ago
@TomBrowne7 I hold the view that the tribunal chair should hold ASADA to a strict timetable. ASADA have had 2 years. Time to put up.


Got to be a point where the AFL have to say enough's enough & you present or we dismiss.

Hardly unreasonable.
 

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Richard Ings ‏@ringsau 1h1 hour ago
@TomBrowne7 I will be surprised if ASADA has its full argument brief and witness affidavits ready for a 15 Dec tribunal.

Richard Ings ‏@ringsau 1h1 hour ago
@TomBrowne7 I hold the view that the tribunal chair should hold ASADA to a strict timetable. ASADA have had 2 years. Time to put up.


Got to be a point where the AFL have to say enough's enough & you present or we dismiss.

Hardly unreasonable.
Justice delayed is justice denied.

It's got to have reached put-up-or-shut-up time by now surely!?
 

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The players in the NRL took deals on the basis of evidence provided. Our players haven't been provided anything to base taking a deal on.
Makes me wonder yet again whether they have anything of substance to actually show us.

It really does have the look of a poker game where the party bluffing has gone all in fully expecting the opposition to fold, and now it's come time to show their hand they are desperately stalling in the vain hope it might make us fold.

Put up or shut up ASADA!!
 

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I fail to see how ASADA will offer a deal - This would have happened as soon as EFC/Hird lost the Federal Court Case. And why would players accept a deal or the AFL want players to accept a deal - This still has to be ticked off by WADA - Let the case go the AFL anti-doping tribunal - Players being found not guilty is the best result.
 

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Wada schmada.

The AFL are hoping Hird wins this case.

Because it can then penalize as it see's fit.

If ASADA/Wada kick and scream at the penalties, the AFL can go to the federal government and use their incompetence as a reason to drop them but maintain current funding and ask for additional funds to run thier own testing schemes.

The AFL will hold all the cards for the first time through this process.

The only trouble is a federal judge to rule against a federal department that has spent Millions of tax payers hard earned..... Not likely.
 

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Makes me wonder yet again whether they have anything of substance to actually show us.

It really does have the look of a poker game where the party bluffing has gone all in fully expecting the opposition to fold, and now it's come time to show their hand they are desperately stalling in the vain hope it might make us fold.

Put up or shut up ASADA!!
Starting to seriously believe they have an evidence problem.

Fairfax (Caro) went went with highly doubtful Charters or Alavi will testify for them - News has gone with their understanding Robinson will testify for the players, and maybe even Dank.

Not sure how they can get within a bulls roar for a circumstantial case without these guys, unless there is some silver bullet somewhere which we agree is pretty much not there.

Wouldnt it be a turn up if it doesnt even get to the tribunal!
 

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You'd hope a federal court wouldn't hold any bias. And it shouldn't be used a s a reason for Hird not winning his case.
 

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Wada schmada.

The AFL are hoping Hird wins this case.

Because it can then penalize as it see's fit.
Either way, I cant see the AFL finding us guilty unless the case presented is overwhelming - ie a bullet which hasnt been released yet.

The AFL is too pragmatic - they were made aware of potential WADA code breaches before this bagan (Doc Reid) and broke their own rules (code) by not reporting it. If the players go - you can be sure as night follows day the players will sue - the EFC and the AFL. They will sue probably like Egan - after they are retired and out of the system.

They find the players guilty - this is a 10 year plus headache and major brand "issue" for the code. They avoid this stuff at all costs.
 

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Why would the players take any sort of deal?

If I were a player I'd be more comfortable at this point in time than I've been since this started. If ASADA had any sort of case they'd be putting forth the evidence and trying to nail the players to the wall. The delaying is doing them more harm than good at present.
 
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