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Yeah true but didn't the players lawyers ask for all the evidence from Asada?
which would be all evidence collected by asada, not interviews where the players lawyers were present. Do ASADA lawfully need to provide players with all evidence? If so this should have been pursued by their legal team

The selective and twisted use of provided truth is going make most anyone see red. I'm with Hird. Go to the High Court. What's another season relative to the truth being used truthfully.
Again, if their testimonies are ruled inadmissible whats to stop them re-interviewing players and doing the same thing again? The players lawyers were present so they can testify that the players testimonies have been somehow distorted, if that is what happened
 

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I'l be very pissed if Asada re-start the investigation if the players are found not guilty.
doubt they would, but they could possibly issue more SCNs for other substances, if they have the evidence. But thats different to Hirds case winning in appeal. If that happened I think ASADA would begin the investigation again
 

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doubt they would, but they could possibly issue more SCNs for other substances, if they have the evidence. But thats different to Hirds case winning in appeal. If that happened I think ASADA would begin the investigation again
Seriously dude. Cmon man.

You think that if a court rules their investigation illegal they'll start all over again And waste another year.

Jesus christ.
 

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Seriously dude. Cmon man.

You think that if a court rules their investigation illegal they'll start all over again And waste another year.

Jesus christ.
yep, theyve said they would and I think the public pressure would ensure they would. If they lose the current tribunal hearing they could very well appeal anyway which would be close to a year as it is. They look like theyre in this for the long haul
 

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Another ripper by Bruce. Makes my blood boil looking back at how we were railroaded.

http://bombertalk4.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=15666
Ben Doolan's quote towards the bottom of that post is worth repeating >

"The media are just feeding the mob mentality. No-one gives a darn about the truth and facts in this story because they have a blood thirst to kill off an enemy club. They want Hird & EFC crucified".
 

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Ben Doolan's quote towards the bottom of that post is worth repeating >

"The media are just feeding the mob mentality. No-one gives a darn about the truth and facts in this story because they have a blood thirst to kill off an enemy club. They want Hird & EFC crucified".
would really love to hear some of these 'truths and facts'. This has been the most disappointing part of this entire saga, being left in the dark
 

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Ben Doolan's quote towards the bottom of that post is worth repeating >

"The media are just feeding the mob mentality. No-one gives a darn about the truth and facts in this story because they have a blood thirst to kill off an enemy club. They want Hird & EFC crucified".
Demetrious comments collated together paint a very clear picture of his evil intentions.

We should have gone to war from day 1
 

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yep, theyve said they would and I think the public pressure would ensure they would. If they lose the current tribunal hearing they could very well appeal anyway which would be close to a year as it is. They look like theyre in this for the long haul
Cmon dude.

How would it look politically if there work was deemed illegal and they restart when everyone has stated its gone too long.

No one will allow them to run another 12 months post them doing something illegal.

It beggars belief that anyone thinks theyll start again.
 
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Cmon dude.

How would it look politically if there work was deemed illegal and they restart when everyone has stated its gone too long.

No one will allow them to run another 12 months post them doing something illegal.

It beggars belief that anyone thinks theyll start again.
If Asada lose at the tribunal they need to admit defeat i don't care they're a government organization you had 2 ******* years.
 

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which would be all evidence collected by asada, not interviews where the players lawyers were present. Do ASADA lawfully need to provide players with all evidence? If so this should have been pursued by their legal team


Again, if their testimonies are ruled inadmissible whats to stop them re-interviewing players and doing the same thing again? The players lawyers were present so they can testify that the players testimonies have been somehow distorted, if that is what happened
With respect of the so called interim report, testimonies were omitted. Obviously it is hoped at the tribunal that such is intolerable.

I was replying to your Hird quote with respect of the recent federal court ruling.

I am not sure if Hird even realizes it. What he is doing is challenging the legality of ASADA providing an interim report. The legality of the investigation has probably been the wrong way to go about it.

I would suggest that an ASADA report prior to infraction notices was not within the rules. You take the AFL out of it. ASADA is just being ASADA. They don't report. They charge. The interim report was the payoff for use of the AFL's ability to get players to talk. Hird knows a wrong has been done with respect of what came out of lips.

I have no problem with him trying to bring to a head the legality of ASADA providing an interim report. Just wish that was precisely what he is trying to do if he appeals to the high court.
 

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as far as I see it ASADA wouldnt introduce evidence that supports the players, thats up to the players lawyers
ASADA have to (should) provide all reverent evidence to the players lawyers..



Their statement of grounds can be set up as they see fit, but they should hand over all relivent evidence they have to do with the investigation, whether it supports their case or not. Because essentially ASADA have more power (well, most govt departments) to gain evidence than a private citizen
 
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ASADA have to (should) provide all reverent evidence to the players lawyers..



Their statement of grounds can be set up as they see fit, but they should hand over all relivent evidence they have to do with the investigation, whether it supports their case or not. Because essentially ASADA have more power (well, most govt departments) to gain evidence than a private citizen
True

If their case is so strong Asada should have no hesitations to hand over all the evidence.
 

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What i find rather amusing is how people say "Essendon will be fine they can fill their squad with their VFL players" How can that be possible? it means that those VFL players will have to play 2 games a week and also what if the reserves side plays on the same day as the seniors.

It really annoys me how they make it sound so simple to fill a squad with 20 players who are established players mind you.
Not sure if serious.
 
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