No Opposition Supporters CAS hands down guilty verdict - Players appealing - Dank shot - no opposition - (cont in pt.2)

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Oh well, the feline is out of the bag anyway.

Not that it's a massive surprise really- if he's right that is. There was always a suspicion among some that there was something fishy with Sarah. Although, getting back to the whole discussion of people who claim inside sources, I'd question how he, as far as we know just a decent law student who likes a court case or two, would know the real identity.

It's just more amusing how little acknowledgement it would have got had he kept it up there.

"doesn't matter if real, it was the truth", furrows Jon.
 

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I'd question how he, as far as we know just a decent law student who likes a court case or two, would know the real identity.
A lot are claiming to have 'the source' - why not him, I guess.

Being twitter famous, he does have a lot of connections of people who 'could know things'. But to be honest, I don't envy his position. Like us, he would have a pile of information to sift through to sort the clean from the dirty. Being fed by Ings, Red Sash and others - there's going to be lots of dirty.
 

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strange tweet from him as hes been one of the better people on the saga.

If he has information sarah was fabricated then any honest and decent individual should share with the appropriate people
Depends what he's got to lose or who he pisses off by disclosing it, I suppose.

Which feline is that? The tweet is gone.
Kaias intimated he knew (or at least believes) that Sarah was not a EFC player's mother and that he actually knows the real identity. But, as kelvin said, he didn't divulge who. And then deleted the tweet. Heh.
 

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Depends what he's got to lose or who he pisses off by disclosing it, I suppose.

Kaias intimated he knew (or at least believes) that Sarah was not a EFC player's mother and that he actually knows the real identity. But, as kelvin said, he didn't divulge who. And then deleted the tweet. Heh.
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Makes perfect sense for the players, not to be play any official games until a final decision is made by the Anti-Doping Tribunal - Gets tricky if the decision is delayed until say the end of April - Players are found not guilty and then they have missed games for no reason - i've already written off 2015.
 

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which would be all evidence collected by asada, not interviews where the players lawyers were present. Do ASADA lawfully need to provide players with all evidence? If so this should have been pursued by their legal team


Again, if their testimonies are ruled inadmissible whats to stop them re-interviewing players and doing the same thing again? The players lawyers were present so they can testify that the players testimonies have been somehow distorted, if that is what happened
Because the next lot of interviews would get silence from all players.
 

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strange tweet from him as hes been one of the better people on the saga.

If he has information sarah was fabricated then any honest and decent individual should share with the appropriate people
Been through this many times - People have too much to lose if they reveal Sarah's identity - Could lose their jobs, money,friends etc.

There is a chance in the future that a 'Maverick' may release the information, through an underground paper/website and the main media will follow up - I guess this is 50/50 to happen in the future.
 

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Fortunately, or unfortunately, I think the media is now quite gun shy that the case is getting towards the pointy end.

Over the journey, we've had stories of the ilk of "Hird's getting sacked" and the likes being shoved onto radio, TV and the broadsheets, where basically journos trying to cover themselves in glory in getting the scoop. I feel now, that with all the litigation flying around, that the media bunker has been told to not pull the trigger unless it's been absolutely proven. My gut feel now is that all senior writers, presenters and cadets are quivering with anticipation of scripting the next chapter - but are spending their time 'getting their ducks in a row' before clicking on the send button to get things active.

Only the most senior and bravest journos are the ones that are still publishing articles on the subject - but in some forcefield/kryptonite type fashion, it seems that if you add somewhere inside the article that it's "my opinion" that all the legal ramifications *poof* into the air and no responsibility is ever recorded.

From my answer, you can see where I sit with the media right now.
I understand what you mean and agree with you.

I'm seated right next to you re the media.

But I still can't help but think th
Makes perfect sense for the players, not to be play any official games until a final decision is made by the Anti-Doping Tribunal - Gets tricky if the decision is delayed until say the end of April - Players are found not guilty and then they have missed games for no reason - i've already written off 2015.
Already written off 2015? Please
 

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If the players knew exactly what was being injected into them and can recall thymosin beta-4 by name, didn't bother independently asking Doc Reid about it or looking it up on the ASADA site, then lied about it in their interviews, then they probably deserved to get banned for pure stupidity to be honest.

I give people like Jobe Watson, Dustin Fletcher and David Hille more credit than that though.
If the players knew they got tb4 and have been advised to lie in attempt to get off they deserve everything thats happened the past two years. Along with the club for advising them to lie. Id want 2 year bans in this case and those at the club who lied to us and advised the players to try and lie I want them put on display and publicly humiliated.

I dont believe that is what has happened but nothing would surprise me anymore. Ahh well not long until this is over.
 

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Minimum 12 months to get a high court case heard? When will Hirdy officially announce it?
Hopefully never.

I know it is going over old ground but what was the general consensus on this board about the mum?
A concocted hoax by Triple M producers or the legitimate mother of a fringe VFL player with lots of mayo added to her story?
There was no complete consensus, I remained open to the possibility it was real. As it became ever more apparent that the AFL had manufactured certain outcomes, I thought the likelihood of that wained and I wasn't alone.
 
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I think the 'Sarah' call evoked a lot of emotional outrage at the time and I still feel that this call was the impetus for us accepting the penalties in 2013.

I also think that even if it was proved that this call was a hoax (which I am of the opinion it is) the announcement it was a hoax would never have the impact the call had at the time.

Famous quote at the time 'even if it was false it was still true'
 

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I think the 'Sarah' call evoked a lot of emotional outrage at the time and I still feel that this call was the impetus for us accepting the penalties in 2013.

I also think that even if it was proved that this call was a hoax (which I am of the opinion it is) the announcement it was a hoax would never have the impact the call had at the time.

Famous quote at the time 'even if it was false it was still true'
Not only did it evoke a lot of emotional outrage, it was the decisive point of no return in terms of how public opinion (and thus, pressure on us to submit to the AFL's desired outcome in August 2013) swung so violently, decisively and finally against us.

There's actually a grain of truth to the quote in the sense that yes, if we did indeed take TB4 or any other illegal substances, then it all becomes something of a sideshow to the main game.

However, the thing that stuns me is how there seems to be little sign of people saying "well, if the AFL manufactured that particular outcome in that manner, just what else were they prepared to do".
 

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he he, the law student getting a taste of twitters 'dark side'.

His tweet intimated that 'sarah' was organised by Liz Lukin & many would agree he is spot on, she has form after all. [tin foil hat on]& then there's the cushy job as 'reward'...[tinfoil hat off].
 

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he he, the law student getting a taste of twitters 'dark side'.

His tweet intimated that 'sarah' was organised by Liz Lukin & many would agree he is spot on, she has form after all. [tin foil hat on]& then there's the cushy job as 'reward'...[tinfoil hat off].
She was a spin-doctor after all.

Perhaps the club should have applied more due diligence to the process when we appointing her.
 
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