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Richard Ings ‏@ringsau 2h2 hours ago
As forecast, the AFL missed the 1 Jan deadline to implement the 2015 WADAC so a Feb positive is stuck in '14 rules

Richard Ings ‏@ringsau 2h2 hours ago
@terencephilip1 ASADA has the function to ensure sports have WADA Code compliant rules If sports don't ASADA report a breach. To the ASC


So the 'Collingwood 2' are facing a max of 2 years, not 4, had a bit of a win there & if indeed it was laced cocaine & they copped to that, I would assume there would be a discount.

& it looks like the AFL are in breach of their agreement with WADA...'poor governance' anyone?...
I don't see any discount being applied for taking an illegal drug such as cocaine.
 

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http://www.smh.com.au/sport/as-cloc...ial-dank-finding-20150415-1mlths.html?stb=twt

6 days before ASADA's appeal window expires, Fairfax Media has confirmed that boss Ben McDevitt was assured he would have by now has not been provided by the AFL's anti-doping tribunal.

The information concerns former Essendon employee Stephen Dank and – crucially – whether the AFL anti-doping tribunal has found the sports scientist guilty of any of the more than 30 anti-doping rule violations he is alleged to have committed while working for AFL clubs Essendon and Gold Coast.
Just like the players were assured they had no fault and nothing to worry about. What a campaigner
 

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So had about half of the 34, though.
McVeigh is coaching at GWS so is under AFL.

Majority delisted are still playing professional football elsewhere.

Prismall is involved at Western Bulldogs.

Bock to the best of my knowledge is not playing or coaching professionally.
 

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Again, I don't see how the Dank decision makes much of a different in the appeal. I would assume if they were to be successful in an appeal they would need to prove TB4 was on site.

Are they going to use 'Dank lost the records which is why he got kicked out of the AFL which proves TB4 was there' line?
 

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Yeah, but ASADA don't particularly give a stuff whether someone is still playing or not. If they can get a head on a pike, even if it's entirely useless because they're not playing anymore, they'd still go for it, you'd think.

And then dress it up as them being not allowed to make a return if desired, because of suspension.
 

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Yeah, but ASADA don't particularly give a stuff whether someone is still playing or not. If they can get a head on a pike, even if it's entirely useless because they're not playing anymore, they'd still go for it, you'd think.

And then dress it up as them being not allowed to make a return if desired, because of suspension.
But the AFL do...I'm not sure McDevitt and ASADA are calling the shots...so far McDevitt is 0-1 on cases at tribunal.
 

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I don't see any discount being applied for taking an illegal drug such as cocaine.
Under the 2015 WADAC code intention carries the 4 year penalty. The cocaine defence, if proven could remove intent.

Apparently 50% discounts are available if you cooperate, but I think this requires you to accept guilt.

In a team sport with list management, a 1 year suspension now essentially means you cannot play a game until 2017, which is why WADA code doesn't fit. It should be match / game count suspension
 

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Personally, I think the Collingwood pair should miss 12 months of footy, where as ASADA will be pushing for bans that will end their careers. Not even Olympic athletes face career ending bans for similar mistake at such a young age.

I'm also interested to see if Eddie follows through and delists immediately, or tries to hold onto them in the hope of trading for late pick if suspension is reasonable.
 
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Coke is only a WADA issue if testing pos on game day, so if that is what has happened they could argue there was no intention to cheat.

edit - what scottmclaren said
From below article:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...-year-drugs-bans/story-fni5f6hd-1227305369940

Under the new code, a clause relating to contaminated products could see players receive only a reprimand if it is found they bore no significant fault or negligence in taking the substance.

The players would need to identify the source of contamination.

An example would be if a player had taken a nutritional supplement which did not identify the banned substance as an ingredient.

The clause could possibly also be applied to contaminated food.

Representatives for the players had investigated whether a contaminated steak had caused their positive tests, but that line of inquiry is unlikely to be pursued.

That clause relating to contamination could not be applied to a situation where an illicit drug was “cut” with a banned substance but knowingly ingested by an athlete.
It also mentions Friday as being a possible date the B sample is returned. (lol)
Maybe that is what the mysterious Friday a few posts up is about.
 

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I do recall the discussion on 1st/2nd April about what do we do with our time now, and good ol' 2048 was brought up. As per my response at the time, this is about as far as I can get. I'd love to see know if anyone has reached 8192.

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Coke is only a WADA issue if testing pos on game day, so if that is what has happened they could argue there was no intention to cheat.

edit - what scottmclaren said
This is rubbish - taking an illegal drug is not a reasonable action to use as an excuse. The burden of responsibility is on the athlete to ensure they do not consume banned substances. By taking illegal drugs such as cocaine where the manufacturer and quality/components of drug is unknown the player has exposed him or herself to a matter of potentially banned substances and suffers the consequences of this action without discount. The intent here is meaningless as the athlete chose a course of action which a normal person should not choose which put them at risk of receiving banned substances.

If the athlete did encounter a banned substance through normal everyday living (ie contaminated meat if evidence proved this) then this would be relevant. However cocaine abuse is not considered a normal everyday activity given it is illegal for the general community.
 

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it says know the results on Friday. It was always going to take a few days from the sample being tested.
The B sample results would be known - ASADA and AFL still working out how to copy and paste as it was not provided in Word format...there's your delay!
 
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