No Opposition Supporters CAS hands down guilty verdict - Players appealing - Dank shot - no opposition - (cont in pt.2)

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It makes sense that he would want an appeal though. People only pay attention to him while this thing is ongoing. As soon as it ends, those sweet follower numbers are going to dry up.
Kaias is also far less 'neutral' than he's tried to make himself out to be. Isn't that right, DonsRule. ;)
 

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The relevance is ASADA banning Dank from all WADA compliant sports.
I'm not sure the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal could rule on that. I'd suggest his activities with baseball players would be more to establish character as supporting "evidence" for the AFL related matters.
 

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I'm not sure the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal could rule on that. I'd suggest his activities with baseball players would be more to establish character as supporting "evidence" for the AFL related matters.
Dank has already lost his accreditation with the NRL but a finding by the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal includes all WADA compliant sports.
 

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Dank has already lost his accreditation with the NRL but a finding by the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal includes all WADA compliant sports.
The AFL only govern AFL - they can't ban Dank from other sports. For example Dank has continued to work as a consultant in the Indian Premier League despite being banned from NRL.
 

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The AFL only govern AFL - they can't ban Dank from other sports. For example Dank has continued to work as a consultant in the Indian Premier League despite being banned from NRL.
If he is banned by the AFL anti doping tribunal it will be applied o all WADA based sports worldwide.
 

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If he is banned by the AFL anti doping tribunal it will be applied o all WADA based sports worldwide.
Where's the jurisdiction and framework for this? There's not been one AFL player under Dank's regimes at EFC, Gold Coast, Melbourne etc found guilty of anti doping breaches and he's supposedly banned from all WADA compliant sports worldwide? This seems crazy.

And this tribunal is an anti-doping tribunal. They don't rule on governance although McDefamation may have you believe so. I'm struggling to see how he has breached anti-doping code in AFL if no players have. This is pragmatism - how can you have one without the other?
 

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Where's the jurisdiction and framework for this? There's not been one AFL player under Dank's regimes at EFC, Gold Coast, Melbourne etc found guilty of anti doping breaches and he's supposedly banned from all WADA compliant sports worldwide? This seems crazy.

And this tribunal is an anti-doping tribunal. They don't rule on governance although McDefamation may have you believe so. I'm struggling to see how he has breached anti-doping code in AFL if no players have. This is pragmatism - how can you have one without the other?
The AFL anti doping tribunal acts within the anti doping code

Players or support people who were issed SCN by ASADA are passed onto the ADVRP, the ADVRP considers if their is a case to be heard, puts said person on the Register of Findings and informs the governing body of that sport to issue an Infraction - the sport is obligated by the code to issue the IN too.

The AFL Anti doping tribunal is set up to hear of breaches that occured in the AFL, but it acts within the ASADA/WADA code/framework.

The tribunal than decides if they are guilty, within that framwork, if they are, it applies to all WADA govened sports
 

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I'm not sure the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal could rule on that. I'd suggest his activities with baseball players would be more to establish character as supporting "evidence" for the AFL related matters.
Surely even if admissible, that information would have only been presented to the 3 judges after a guilty (assuming that's the finding) verdict had been arrived at?
 

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The Dank case is probably more complex, and it may be that the two cases didn't run parallel as many suggested.

Possibly Dank's case is not a slam dunk. I have never been convinced that Dank's was certain to be found guilty.
In the event that Dank is found guilty on any claim, I can understand on how the tribunal can rule on behalf of the AFL and ban him from the game under their rules and that he can't work for a club.

What I don't understand is where that leaves players who look to seek him out individually, as has been done in the past.

As much as the current actions going on are based around PEDs, it's still not to say that Dank doesn't have formidable knowledge in the field and will still be practising (most likely sans the AFL and NRL accreditation/approval). He was employed at Geelong, Gold Coast and Essendon as being THE sports scientist, so before all this blew up - he was considered a leader in his field.

Unless the AFL adds a clause to its ruling also banning players from seeking Dank individually, I don't see too much changing and is probably why Dank seems pretty calm in knowing he'll still be getting paid along the way.

It would be pretty naive if the AFL think that they could corral the players into only ever seeing club doctors during their careers. Unless ASADA/WADA decide to appeal and win the action, after all we've seen over the last two years, not too much changes other than Dank won't be able to work inside the doors of an AFL club.
 

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Le Grand predicted Dank would not be found guilty to anything related to the Essendon players.

But predicted Dank would be found guilty as an Athlete Support Person who supplied banned substances to coaching staff at probably multiple clubs. Le Grand said a single guilty count of that offence carried a 4 year ban, and multiple counts, a life ban.
 

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Whats the link with carlton i heard on SEN this morning?
If I heard correctly, supplying banned substances to coaching staff.

Chip said it is not against the rules for coaching staff to take banned substances. But it is against the rules for an Athlete Support Person - which Dank's was - to supply them.
 
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