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The Humanofort drink shows Dank had no worries crossing the line. If it cannot be proven that he hasn't at EFC it is simply dumb luck.
This is why I maintain it was reprehensible that unknowing players were put in a position to be manipulated by someone such as Dank.
 

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It would be pretty stupid for WADA to appeal because of the previous court actions and bad blood between ASADA and Essendon considering that the players are affected by this.

I'm more inclined to believe that WADA want to see if CAS would come to the same conclusion with the evidence ASADA has provided.
 

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A lot of troubling stuff in there too. Really lays out just how unknown these substances were. Pretty depressing read for a dons fan imo
Not nessessary.

If they want a higher burden of proof given to Dank's information then CAS will ALSO need to give a higher burden of proof to our information given

EG:
- Players said they took the LEGAL thymosin
- Photos of the LEGAL thymosin
- The spreadsheet given to ASADA showing what we took

All that was basically dismissed because of the level of proof required.

We're sweet. Don't stress.
 

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Not nessessary.

If they want a higher burden of proof given to Dank's information then CAS will ALSO need to give a higher burden of proof to our information given

EG:
- Players said they took the LEGAL thymosin
- Photos of the LEGAL thymosin
- The spreadsheet given to ASADA showing what we took

All that was basically dismissed because of the level of proof required.

We're sweet. Don't stress.
I'm not talking about the case, I'm talking about the fact that Stephen Dank orders untested and unlabelled liquids, says they're something and injects them into the bodies of support staff and players - and no-one actually know what the legitimate **** he's given them. Put the case aside for a second this is seriously scary shit for our players and those support staff.

I'm sure we'll be cleared again with WADA but we are by no means sweet
 

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not so sure after reading this
'home town' decision upheld in attached article (thanks to Ivan on twitter)
paras 195-202 worth looking at, among other things

http://www.centrostudisport.it/PDF/TAS_CAS_ULTIMO/64.pdf

Interesting read, so even if WADA do convince the panel that the AFL Trib set the comfortable satisfaction bar too high & they need to consider whether TB4 was given to the players, they are probably pushing shit uphill without positive tests.
 

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Been a while since I punted a deadpan question but after reading chips article I am a little unsure of certain involvments...

Its one of 3 for mine...

A.Dank was given too much rope and abused both sides of the coin in administering both concoctions of compounded substances and saline thus enjoying a fully paid for Lab experiment for his other interests... (Hird blissfully unaware hence being played with)

B. Same as A but with Jimmy in on the science...

C. A total which hunt that stems from Dank having other interests ie Rejuvi clinics and Pep shops...

I think people certainly know what was given but in a beurocratic/legal situation this "dont know what they were given" is more about strategy than the grey (maybe legal truth)

Im interested who thinks A, B, or C
 

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Interesting read, so even if WADA do convince the panel that the AFL Trib set the comfortable satisfaction bar too high & they need to consider whether TB4 was given to the players, they are probably pushing shit uphill without positive tests.
From all reports the club was blind sided by the appeal and I can sorta see why. I don't like to jump straight to a conspiracy theory without seeing all the evidence but the WADA decision seems perplexing. Successful or not it will cause suffering to the players, club and AFL.
 

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I think its time for action. Essendon supporters and anyone else should gather and march on AFL house. Demand Gillon to come out and speak to the crowd. Demand answers. Support the boys . Support the club.
 

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Been a while since I punted a deadpan question but after reading chips article I am a little unsure of certain involvments...

Its one of 3 for mine...

A.Dank was given too much rope and abused both sides of the coin in administering both concoctions of compounded substances and saline thus enjoying a fully paid for Lab experiment for his other interests... (Hird blissfully unaware hence being played with)

B. Same as A but with Jimmy in on the science...

C. A total which hunt that stems from Dank having other interests ie Rejuvi clinics and Pep shops...

I think people certainly know what was given but in a beurocratic/legal situation this "dont know what they were given" is more about strategy than the grey (maybe legal truth)

Im interested who thinks A, B, or C

Considering the throw-shit-at-a-wall-until-something-sticks approach by ASADA, I think you can have a mix of A and C in this situation - and I believe that is it - a whole lot of A with a little smattering of witch hunt (ie a bit of evidence included in the potpourri of evdidence that are in reference to Dank's other businesses as opposed to EFC)
 
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I think its time for action. Essendon supporters and anyone else should gather and march on AFL house. Demand Gillon to come out and speak to the crowd. Demand answers. Support the boys . Support the club.
Okay. I'll meet you there.
 
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I am more than a little bemused by the reaction on here and in the media towards this hail mary from WADA.

I mean, for ****s sakes, you have Jason Dunstall coming out and saying now that the players should have taken a 6 month ban. Seriously, he said that. Despite the fact they were cleared by a tribunal and ALL THAT'S HAPPENED is an announcement of an appeal.

An appeal is NOT a magic weapon for WADA. The HTB and media are acting as though this is now done. It is far from done. What is little-known is that the losing party from the original decision DO in fact face a somewhat higher burden of proof - and this would have been exactly the same had it been the players appealing a guilty verdict.

WADA are asking that more weight be put on the testimony of Charter and Alavi. Ok then. Why the **** would that happen? On the burden of proof, even if they can argue that the BoP was too high (which is a long way from being certain) they still have to complete the rest of the chain.

Personally, I can only shake my head. Let the hyenas have their fun. I am confident that the same result will be found, its just a shame everyone has to put up with this crap for another year based on what appears to me to be nothing more than a statement being made by global anti-doping authorities. I have watched the WADA AFL debate with interst, and one of the factors I thought in WADA not appealing would be that they don't want to light a long fuse with a sport like AFL. Well, they may have just lit that fuse.
 

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From all reports the club was blind sided by the appeal and I can sorta see why. I don't like to jump straight to a conspiracy theory without seeing all the evidence but the WADA decision seems perplexing. Successful or not it will cause suffering to the players, club and AFL.
I am more than a little bemused by the reaction on here and in the media towards this hail mary from WADA.

I mean, for ****s sakes, you have Jason Dunstall coming out and saying now that the players should have taken a 6 month ban. Seriously, he said that. Despite the fact they were cleared by a tribunal and ALL THAT'S HAPPENED is an announcement of an appeal.
And that is the strategy behind it all. Its your classic witch hunt. It has been the ASADA/WADA strategy since Feb 2013.
 

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I am more than a little bemused by the reaction on here and in the media towards this hail mary from WADA.

I mean, for ****s sakes, you have Jason Dunstall coming out and saying now that the players should have taken a 6 month ban. Seriously, he said that. Despite the fact they were cleared by a tribunal and ALL THAT'S HAPPENED is an announcement of an appeal.

An appeal is NOT a magic weapon for WADA. The HTB and media are acting as though this is now done. It is far from done. What is little-known is that the losing party from the original decision DO in fact face a somewhat higher burden of proof - and this would have been exactly the same had it been the players appealing a guilty verdict.

WADA are asking that more weight be put on the testimony of Charter and Alavi. Ok then. Why the **** would that happen? On the burden of proof, even if they can argue that the BoP was too high (which is a long way from being certain) they still have to complete the rest of the chain.

Personally, I can only shake my head. Let the hyenas have their fun. I am confident that the same result will be found, its just a shame everyone has to put up with this crap for another year based on what appears to me to be nothing more than a statement being made by global anti-doping authorities. I have watched the WADA AFL debate with interst, and one of the factors I thought in WADA not appealing would be that they don't want to light a long fuse with a sport like AFL. Well, they may have just lit that fuse.

Statements from media types don't help - In reference to the WADA appeal, Whateley said something like 'the adults are now in the room' & 'ominous' while then there's the ravings of others like that loon from Sydney. I did have to spend a bit of time this morning trying to convince someone that his belief that the players now have to prove their innocence is just plain wrong, but I was probably wasting my time.

& on this goes...
 
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