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AFL may as well re-write the code even if they decide to stick WADA code.

What's the point of the AFL Tribunal or the Appeals Board in all of this if ASADA don't trust the supposedly 'home' decision? Better to gather the evidence, pass it on to WADA. Then if they wish to proceed, straight to CAS. Realise only go to CAS on appeal. Or surely AFL and ASADA need to agree on a different form of tribunal.

The appeal system should be like a normal court not start all over again. What a waste of farking time.

Also wouldn't it also be to our benefit if Alavi and Charters are successfully subpoenaed? Our lawyers would surely tear holes in their statements. Not that even seems possible based on Croft's previous ruling.

Whole process is a farking sham.
 

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Statements from media types don't help - In reference to the WADA appeal, Whateley said something like 'the adults are now in the room' & 'ominous' while then there's the ravings of others like that loon from Sydney. I did have to spend a bit of time this morning trying to convince someone that his belief that the players now have to prove their innocence is just plain wrong, but I was probably wasting my time.

& on this goes...
Mark Fine is fed up with this too and called one of the drongo callers a pedophile the other night and told him to prove he wasn't. Was magnificent
 

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"That purple point dexter" haha lol.

Hopefully Sam gives them a bake too tonight.
He has clearly been mentally affected by this saga judging by his latest effort on afl.com.au

Caro must be his mentor, makes sense now.
 
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He has clearly been mentally affected by this saga judging by his latest effort on afl.com.au

Caro must be his mentor, makes sense now.
Didn't say boo when the 'not guilty' verdict was handed down he's a grub of the highest order the bloke knows he wouldn't have a job with out the Asada/Wada bs.
 

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Didn't say boo when the 'not guilty' verdict was handed down he's a grub of the highest order the bloke knows he wouldn't have a job with out the Asada/Wada bs.
Don't be so cruel. Sliding Doors requires in depth knowledge of the game at all levels including the players, coaches and administrators, and having to narrow all of the information he gleans each week to only 18 comments is a very time consuming art form.
 

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AFL may as well re-write the code even if they decide to stick WADA code.

What's the point of the AFL Tribunal or the Appeals Board in all of this if ASADA don't trust the supposedly 'home' decision? Better to gather the evidence, pass it on to WADA. Then if they wish to proceed, straight to CAS. Realise only go to CAS on appeal. Or surely AFL and ASADA need to agree on a different form of tribunal.

The appeal system should be like a normal court not start all over again. What a waste of farking time.

Also wouldn't it also be to our benefit if Alavi and Charters are successfully subpoenaed? Our lawyers would surely tear holes in their statements. Not that even seems possible based on Croft's previous ruling.

Whole process is a farking sham.
That implies that Alavi and Charters would agree with those statements. Given they refused to sign the affidavits, then they must disagree too. Which would mean the WADA witnesses would be tearing down their own case.

Anyone seen the movie Sleepers before?
 
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That implies that Alavi and Charters would agree with those statements. Given they refused to sign the affidavits, then they must disagree too. Which would mean the WADA witnesses would be tearing down their own case.

Anyone seen the movie Sleepers before?
Is that the one where Kevin Bacon is a paedophile?
 

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That implies that Alavi and Charters would agree with those statements. Given they refused to sign the affidavits, then they must disagree too. Which would mean the WADA witnesses would be tearing down their own case.

Anyone seen the movie Sleepers before?


p.s. ****** up movie that one
 

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Statements from media types don't help - In reference to the WADA appeal, Whateley said something like 'the adults are now in the room' & 'ominous' while then there's the ravings of others like that loon from Sydney. I did have to spend a bit of time this morning trying to convince someone that his belief that the players now have to prove their innocence is just plain wrong, but I was probably wasting my time.

& on this goes...
as much as people love whately he isnt above fear mongering. Whats he trying to say that the afl tribunal was corrupt or incompetent?

Not even asada have suggested that.
 

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as much as people love whately he isnt above fear mongering. Whats he trying to say that the afl tribunal was corrupt or incompetent?

Not even asada have suggested that.
I reckon that is exactly what ASADA are suggesting, especially the way the waived the right for their appeal, to go straight to CAS. Was a pretty massive slap in the face to the integrity of the AFL tribunal.
 

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I reckon that is exactly what ASADA are suggesting, especially the way the waived the right for their appeal, to go straight to CAS. Was a pretty massive slap in the face to the integrity of the AFL tribunal.
So much for McDivitt declaring Asada will accept the tribunal's decision which ever way it went.
 
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as much as people love whately he isnt above fear mongering. Whats he trying to say that the afl tribunal was corrupt or incompetent?

Not even asada have suggested that.
Yeah I had that ominous feeling that the adults had entered the room.. then the players names were published.
 

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Yeah I had that ominous feeling that the adults had entered the room.. then the players names were published.
Not to the first time he has done either, I still remember early on in 2013 I think after the ziggy report was released he whipped out the report from the investigation into the collapse of HIH, he then made comparisons based of similiar wordings the main one being "governance". Told me everything I need to know about him.

That and his disturbing affection for a horse he had nothing to do with.
 

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I reckon that is exactly what ASADA are suggesting, especially the way the waived the right for their appeal, to go straight to CAS. Was a pretty massive slap in the face to the integrity of the AFL tribunal.
Maybe thats not how I have interpreted that, just that they thought the tribunal held a too high a standard for comfortable satisfaction, nothing to suggest they were not impartial etc. Its the media and foamers pushing the angle that Asada/wada dont wanna play in the afl backyard anymore.

Im not gonna buy into a story I havent seen evidence of yet.
 

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Grace will be asked to recuse himself because he is a CAS arbitrator himself. While he obviously has a vested interest in this case so he will not be one of the 3 chosen arbitrators in this case, he is also not able to represent anyone CAS hearings. He can still advise them and their replacement representative, however.
And the ASADA representation? Can they re-appear representing WADA?
 
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Not to the first time he has done either, I still remember early on in 2013 I think after the ziggy report was released he whipped out the report from the investigation into the collapse of HIH, he then made comparisons based of similiar wordings the main one being "governance". Told me everything I need to know about him.

That and his disturbing affection for a horse he had nothing to do with.
Yeah I remember that too. He IS entitled to an opinion though. Having said that, I still feel he's been one of the most objective voices out there. He never picked a side and then cherry picked whatever backed him up and ignored whatever didn't. Have I agreed with everything he's said? No, but that probably points to him being more objective than most.
 

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Maybe thats not how I have interpreted that, just that they thought the tribunal held a too high a standard for comfortable satisfaction, nothing to suggest they were not impartial etc. Its the media and foamers pushing the angle that Asada/wada dont wanna play in the afl backyard anymore.

Im not gonna buy into a story I havent seen evidence of yet.
So why didn't ASADA appeal then? McDevitt effectively said he wanted it taken to CAS as it was outside the AFL's influence and only WADA could do that.
 

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So why didn't ASADA appeal then? McDevitt effectively said he wanted it taken to CAS as it was outside the AFL's influence and only WADA could do that.
I may have missed when he said that, but I am taking what I have heard at face value not with conspiracy theories. They are expecting a more favourable interpretation of comfortable satisfaction in a different court nothing to suggest they think the former was corrupt or influenced by the afl.
 

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Yeah I remember that too. He IS entitled to an opinion though. Having said that, I still feel he's been one of the most objective voices out there. He never picked a side and then cherry picked whatever backed him up and ignored whatever didn't. Have I agreed with everything he's said? No, but that probably points to him being more objective than most.
Thats true but given everyone else out there its hard not to look more objective. That really isn't my issue with him though, its more about him grandstanding for lack of the better word.
 
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Thats true but given everyone else out there its hard not to look more objective. That really isn't my issue with him though, its more about him grandstanding for lack of the better word.
Have to agree to disagree. I've never seen him do anything I'd describe as grandstanding.
 
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So why didn't ASADA appeal then? McDevitt effectively said he wanted it taken to CAS as it was outside the AFL's influence and only WADA could do that.
I may have missed when he said that, but I am taking what I have heard at face value not with conspiracy theories. They are expecting a more favourable interpretation of comfortable satisfaction in a different court nothing to suggest they think the former was corrupt or influenced by the afl.
little out of Column A, little out of Column B for mine.

I'm sorry but any way you dice it, it is a MAJOR slap in the face of the AFL. The anti-doping bodies have effectively declared they have no confidence in the AFL system to achieve a fair result. They would not be going as far as to suggest corruption, but there is no other way to read what their actions mean other than a complete lack of confidence, and have no doubt there is no doubt that is how the AFL would have interpreted it.

That is one of two major reasons the option of leaving WADA will be firmly on the commission table as of now, the other being the fact that WADA clearly do not care how much effect their processes have on the AFL, keeping in mind their local branch has already spent over two long years even getting it to this point, any EFC-caused delays aside.

Now, if I were a betting man I'd put my money on the AFL staying within the WADA system, but that is far from a foregone conclusion now.

The words and actions of both McDevitt and Howman would have the AFL quitely seething, to use an appropriate phrase, have no doubt about that at all. It's a major, major slap in their face and they'd be fuming about it.
 

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I may have missed when he said that, but I am taking what I have heard at face value not with conspiracy theories. They are expecting a more favourable interpretation of comfortable satisfaction in a different court nothing to suggest they think the former was corrupt or influenced by the afl.
The language was very obvious. It didn't need too much reading between the lines.
 
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Where the prosecution (Brad Pitt) feeds the defense (Dustin Hoffman) the lines to say to ensure they get off the charges.
Other way around, I think, for the actors. I think.

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