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Quoting the full-text as probably don't want CW getting additional hits.

I'm basically all for it - although I'm not sure why the PA wants detection numbers hidden, especially when they are totals and not identifying individual players? Making those numbers public will help force a cultural change.
Or make those who partake feel like there's safety in numbers.
 

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I predict a lot more shaved heads going forward..
Total aerodynamic shave head to toe? Players will be faster. Better reduce the interchange cap again. Fitness will then need to improve, I reckon we should implement a supplements program to support this, who's with me?
 

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If a player can turn up and do his job for the club on game day, why does it matter to anyone what he does in his own time?

This whole issue prompts far too much moral pontificating as far as I'm concerned. Where do we draw the line for policing players lives?
 

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For all those calling for illicit drug testing for players - I expect they should undergo the same regime? Or would that be encroaching on their own civil liberties?
Civil liberties are so 1970's. We might as well just set up Big Brother style cameras in players houses with a direct feed to Caro and Damo and be done with it.
 

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For all those calling for illicit drug testing for players - I expect they should undergo the same regime? Or would that be encroaching on their own civil liberties?
My work place has random drug and alcohol testing. There is no 3 strikes policy either.

Anyway my argument isn't about that. If the AFL want me to give them money to watch the games I want them to do as much as they can to make sure the players aren't doing drugs.

It's not that hard to not do them honestly.
 

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My work place has random drug and alcohol testing. There is no 3 strikes policy either.

Anyway my argument isn't about that. If the AFL want me to give them money to watch the games I want them to do as much as they can to make sure the players aren't doing drugs.

It's not that hard to not do them honestly.
So if a player has smoked a joint the week of a game that bothers you?
But if a player has drunk 6 beers throughout the week, and taken his dexies for ADHD that's fine?
How does it affect you one way or the other?
Is one worse than the other? If yes, why?

What if they're huffing jenkem, it's not illegal?
 

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Plenty of people who shouldn't be worshipped have been. Fault lies with the worshipper rather than the recipient.
Ok. Tell that to an 8 year old. Bloody hell.

Because the only reason that footballs don't take drugs is because of the strikes?

1 + 1 <> THE SKY IS FALLING
Of course not. But if there was no significant guaranteed deterrent to do so, those that do would be less inclined to be careful.

It's an image thing, obviously.
 

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For all those calling for illicit drug testing for players - I expect they should undergo the same regime? Or would that be encroaching on their own civil liberties?
Do I also get the money, fame, women and seas parting for me wherever I go?

Civil liberties hasn't got anything to do with it. It's about being a public figure and the face of a brand.

Unfortunately for footballers, that's what they are. They get the perks, but there's obviously some drawbacks.
 

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My work place has random drug and alcohol testing. There is no 3 strikes policy either.

Anyway my argument isn't about that. If the AFL want me to give them money to watch the games I want them to do as much as they can to make sure the players aren't doing drugs.

It's not that hard to not do them honestly.
I'm supportive of drug testing where others are placed at risk if the individual is under the influence of drugs - akin to drunk driving if you will.

I'm also supportive of drug testing where the intention is purely focused on the welfare of individual, if they choose to participate.

Other than those scenarios, I'm not sure there is a place for it - if you're educated about the risks, and you do it anyway, that's your choice. I don't see why it's your employers job or place to punish you for it.

The fact that it's illegal - well lots of things are illegal. I'd place it up there with a 5 over speeding ticket - it's an indiscretion - and virtually everyone does wilfully screw up once in a while.
 

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Ok. Tell that to an 8 year old. Bloody hell.
Why wouldn't you? Too many people assume children can't understand complex issues so they don't take the time to explain it to them. That's how you end up with emotional stunted adult-children.
 

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Why wouldn't you? Too many people assume children can't understand complex issues so they don't take the time to explain it to them. That's how you end up with emotional stunted adult-children.
If a childs sole role model is footballers id suggest that there is going to be some issues down the line anyway.

Do I also get the money, fame, women and seas parting for me wherever I go?

Civil liberties hasn't got anything to do with it. It's about being a public figure and the face of a brand.

Unfortunately for footballers, that's what they are. They get the perks, but there's obviously some drawbacks.
so is it because they are role models or because they get money fame and women? I know where your coming from but that opening sentence reeks of jealousy to be honest.
 
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It is pretty simple though. No one is forcing these guys to play football if they don't like the drugs policy quit football. Problem solved.
Or, have no drug testing and no-ones the wiser, and people can drop the Helen Lovejoy act
 

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I'm supportive of drug testing where others are placed at risk if the individual is under the influence of drugs - akin to drunk driving if you will.

I'm also supportive of drug testing where the intention is purely focused on the welfare of individual, if they choose to participate.

Other than those scenarios, I'm not sure there is a place for it - if you're educated about the risks, and you do it anyway, that's your choice. I don't see why it's your employers job or place to punish you for it.

The fact that it's illegal - well lots of things are illegal. I'd place it up there with a 5 over speeding ticket - it's an indiscretion - and virtually everyone does wilfully screw up once in a while.
I should rephrase, one of the places where I work, not my full-time work place. So I choose to work there, and as soon as I step on the property they can test me under their conditions of entry.

I also don't care if people take drugs if they choose too.

I just think if we allow footballers to take drugs without punishment it makes it seem okay. I think that if punishing footballers for taking illegal drugs stops 2 people a year from going down the drugs path then it's worth it.
 
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