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Why wouldn't you? Too many people assume children can't understand complex issues so they don't take the time to explain it to them. That's how you end up with emotional stunted adult-children.
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For all those calling for illicit drug testing for players - I expect they should undergo the same regime? Or would that be encroaching on their own civil liberties?
Many work places have random drug testing.
 

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Just like it's ok for the players to get pain relief jabs. So long as it's done in the rooms, away from the kids, it's all good.
Pretty much. It's the AFL. It's all image.

so is it because they are role models or because they get money fame and women? I know where your coming from but that opening sentence reeks of jealousy to be honest.
LOL, it was rhetorical. I'm pointing out one of the drawbacks of their job - they don't have the same freedoms we do in their spare time, because of who they work for.
 
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Who exactly would test them and how would they be penalised?

At least it's publicised when they go into rehab, which doesn't paint drugs in a good light.
like anything, the power lies with who pays them, so record companies etc. As for how would they be penalised, you can build an edifice that is capable of doing it. If it's so important that anyone kids idolise not do drugs, because kids have no brain of their own apparently, then you can do it with enough will. The only problem is, when you put it like that, you start to see how stupid the whole concept is.

I just think if we allow footballers to take drugs without punishment it makes it seem okay. I think that if punishing footballers for taking illegal drugs stops 2 people a year from going down the drugs path then it's worth it.
It's a real shame that such a good, well-meaning policy, progressively based on welfare not punishment, has been corrupted by wowsers who decided that now they had a means of finding out about drugs started believing that gave them the right to judge footballers.

I'm going to give you an uncomfortable truth right now. If it's so important to you that "allowing" footballers to take drugs without punishment then the simple, elegant and most powerful way you can stop that perception is to stop drug testing all together. Then little Johnny is none the wiser that his idols are in fact flesh and blood.
 
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Many work places have random drug testing.
and if they have a reason for it that's fine. I don't want my pilot feeling zoned out from a weekend smashing rack for example. Same with my taxi driver. Even people who could harm themselves using heavy machinery, test away.

Why the **** would I or do you give a flying rats tossbag whether a footballer had a pill on an overseas dance floor?
 

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How come I've never seen you or anyone demanding drug tests for rock stars then?
I haven't demanded them for footballers either. Personally I don't really give a shit.

But it's completely naive to suggest that the public faces of a corporation such as the AFL arent going to face restrictions on their private lives in the name of corporate image.
 

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and if they have a reason for it that's fine. I don't want my pilot feeling zoned out from a weekend smashing rack for example. Same with my taxi driver. Even people who could harm themselves using heavy machinery, test away.

Why the **** would I or do you give a flying rats tossbag whether a footballer had a pill on an overseas dance floor?
I'm sure the AFL would use the word "integrity" when explaining this, they like that word. Simply put, they want a clean image and they think this is a means of achieving that.

The irony in that is they are such a corrupt organisation and even blind Freddy can see this. Integrity is a word they use only when it suits them, and they'll never have a clean image no matter what they do around the drug testing/strike policy space.
 

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I should rephrase, one of the places where I work, not my full-time work place. So I choose to work there, and as soon as I step on the property they can test me under their conditions of entry.

I also don't care if people take drugs if they choose too.

I just think if we allow footballers to take drugs without punishment it makes it seem okay. I think that if punishing footballers for taking illegal drugs stops 2 people a year from going down the drugs path then it's worth it.
Why do we need to be "seen to punish drug users". This is a game, a silly little game that unfortunately too many people have too much money invested in'. I don't even blame the AFL for it, I blame this society that feels the need to criminalise drug users and publicly shame people who are doing it.

Ill say it again, if a child, or a person is taking their lessons from a footballer, or from what happens in the world of the AFL and not their parents explaining issues to them or their schools we have a far greater issue than a drug problem.

People need to stop trying to model everyone's lives. People will make their own decisions and the chips will fall will they may Instead of setting up elaborate punishments to publicly shame people so the rest of us can feel all high and mighty.
 
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is anyone seriously excusing footballers taking recreational drugs?

do we forget what happened to the 2 Collingwood players who took a "recreational drug"
careers over. well done.
 
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It’s simply prevailing public views. Older generations take that view on the issue and they’re the ones with the cash and kids the AFL wants.

Conservatism. Times change but not that quickly.

It’s commercial reality as a result of Cousins, Bennell, Carlisle type situations.
 
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is anyone seriously excusing footballers taking recreational drugs?

do we forget what happened to the 2 Collingwood players who took a "recreational drug"
careers over. well done.
I'm glad you swallowed that story hook line and sinker.
 
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is it possible for cocaine to be cut with clenbuterol?
sure it's possible. Just ******* stupid.

You can sell it for exponentially more profit for, wait for it, a PED to athletes and gym rats. And you can get exponentially more cheaper cutting agents, agents that don't have a stupidly high risk of generating heart-attacks for the people taking it...

But yeah, sure it's possible that athletes taking a PED in preseason were actually the poor victims of some economically illiterate and highly charitable drug dealer.
 

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sure it's possible. Just ******* stupid.

You can sell it for exponentially more profit for, wait for it, a PED to athletes and gym rats. And you can get exponentially more cheaper cutting agents, agents that don't have a stupidly high risk of generating heart-attacks for the people taking it...

But yeah, sure it's possible that athletes taking a PED in preseason were actually the poor victims of some economically illiterate and highly charitable drug dealer.
Wooaah, wait a minute.

Wasn't it in the steak?
 
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sure it's possible. Just ******* stupid.

You can sell it for exponentially more profit for, wait for it, a PED to athletes and gym rats. And you can get exponentially more cheaper cutting agents, agents that don't have a stupidly high risk of generating heart-attacks for the people taking it...

But yeah, sure it's possible that athletes taking a PED in preseason were actually the poor victims of some economically illiterate and highly charitable drug dealer.
whatever, the answer is yes.
i don't see why would would risk your career over it.

if you're stupid enough to do that, you probably are better off flipping burgers at Hungry Jacks, because i don't think McDonald's would take you.
 

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sure it's possible. Just ******* stupid.

You can sell it for exponentially more profit for, wait for it, a PED to athletes and gym rats. And you can get exponentially more cheaper cutting agents, agents that don't have a stupidly high risk of generating heart-attacks for the people taking it...

But yeah, sure it's possible that athletes taking a PED in preseason were actually the poor victims of some economically illiterate and highly charitable drug dealer.
But that would mean they're fibbing!!! How could anyone look into Eddies big round eyes and fib?
 
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whatever, the answer is yes.
i don't see why would would risk your career over it.

if you're stupid enough to do that, you probably are better off flipping burgers at Hungry Jacks, because i don't think McDonald's would take you.
so what? Even if that outlandish story is true, what of it? If players take that risk, and are caught, no sympathy.

But don't try and come to me and say the reason you don't want players taking drugs is that they might get caught up in some improbable scam around PEDs. Zero tolerance doesn't work. It never has. For people like you to get all righteous because Jake Carlisle decided to have a few lines of coke in an LA nightclub on his holiday is a joke.
 
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so what? Even if that outlandish story is true, what of it? If players take that risk, and are caught, no sympathy.

But don't try and come to me and say the reason you don't want players taking drugs is that they might get caught up in some improbable scam around PEDs. Zero tolerance doesn't work. It never has. For people like you to get all righteous because Jake Carlisle decided to have a few lines of coke in an LA nightclub on his holiday is a joke.
why is it a joke?
i think he's a joke. do you think he's cool?
 
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so what? Even if that outlandish story is true, what of it? If players take that risk, and are caught, no sympathy.

But don't try and come to me and say the reason you don't want players taking drugs is that they might get caught up in some improbable scam around PEDs. Zero tolerance doesn't work. It never has. For people like you to get all righteous because Jake Carlisle decided to have a few lines of coke in an LA nightclub on his holiday is a joke.
and yes, the only reason not to take drugs is to avoid getting caught up in an improbable scam
i can see no other reason not to take drugs?
 

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why is it a joke?
i think he's a joke. do you think he's cool?
How much of an affect on your life has seeing Jake Carlisle take drugs had?

Now how much effect has it had on your life knowing that many more athletes and people who you know about or have spoken to have done or are currently dabbling in drugs?

Is there a difference between those two answers?
 
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