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There’s a few parents and junior footy coaches around who might disagree with you there.

It’s not exactly a moral equation for an organisation to be blitzkrieg marketing to kids, whilst simultaneously the very people they use for the marketing (the players) be splashed on the news doing drugs.

Your views are a bit outdated imo. It ain’t a game any more, if it still was I’d hear you better. It’s an entertainment business aimed in no small part at kids.

Personally, I’d prefer EFC players didn’t do drugs, as it’s not exactly conducive to an elite athlete’s lifestyle, and this club has been a failure for far too long. But by the same token, it doesn’t bother me that much. But I get the business point of view.
mmm whilst I understand where you're coming from, I think there's a implicit flaw in your argument. And that is, is it marketing or is it harm minimisation and player safety?

Because if it's marketing as you say, then drug testing is very stupid. If it's about athlete safety, then naming and shaming isn't really appropriate. I understand the theory that it will apparently deter people from doing drugs, unlike now where they are apparently free to, and indeed almost encouraged to, do drugs by the system (lol). But what that actually means is we throw the ones who need the help most under the bus in the interests of stopping the ones who probably aren't that badly affected from experimenting.

Whatever flogs like KB say, it IS a complex issue. It's a high stress job. You have no-one outside the club who really understands what you're going through. You have a lot of militarised routine. Yet paradoxically you have a lot of free time. You work funny hours. You have lots of money and not much to spend it on. Your mates outside footy might do drugs. You might have trouble sleeping after night games. You might use sleeping pills. You might get depressed. As an athlete, you may have a predisposition to risky activity. You might come from a troubled background that only footy has let you escape, and now your idolised. You might get depressed.

In short, you might do drugs, despite the risk. And then what? Named and shamed and if you trangress once or twice more you might be on your arse with no life skills.

That's protecting the health of the most vulnerable footballers???

Nope. The AFL created a monster with this. They gave the moralisers a weapon, and are now trapped in a spiral that moves the policy away from what is was meant to be: a health initiative; into something it never was: a punitive program to appease moralist wankers.

Once again, I look forward to seeing the squealing of the fans of the first bone fida star who gets pinged by this.
 

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"drug advocate" lol

Let's do some maths. 3 per day x 365 days = 1095.

Population of Australia approx 23 Million.

23 million / 1095 = 21,005

100 / 21,005 = .0004


Maybe you just need to get some perspective
well if you're happy with that, good luck to you.
drug abuse doesn't always result in death now, does it?
where are the statistics for people with psychological and psychiatric issues?

anyway, i have no interest in discussing the wider drug issue on a football forum, let's keep the discussion to drugs with respect to EFC and the AFL.
 
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well if you're happy with that, good luck to you.
drug abuse doesn't always result in death now, does it?
where are the statistics for people with psychological and psychiatric issues?

anyway, i have no interest in discussing the wider drug issue on a football forum, let's keep the discussion to drugs with respect to EFC and the AFL.
here's a thought. Instead of making wild assertions and expecting everyone else to provide the proof you do it yourself?
 
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here's a thought. Instead of making wild assertions and expecting everyone else to provide the proof you do it yourself?
i haven't made any wild assertions
there is no clear answer as such, which is why i do not have statistics or an article. the only article you posted was rather sketchy with details, and was not the slam dunk you thought it was.

feel free to follow the link below to learn a bit more. make of the statistics there what you will.
http://www.druginfo.adf.org.au/topics/statistics-trends#illicit
your mind is made up it appears, and so is mine. so i don't see any value continuing a discussion. especially when you repeatedly argue against something i never stated in the first place
 

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well if you're happy with that, good luck to you.
drug abuse doesn't always result in death now, does it?
where are the statistics for people with psychological and psychiatric issues?

anyway, i have no interest in discussing the wider drug issue on a football forum, let's keep the discussion to drugs with respect to EFC and the AFL.
If you have the time, read some of the reports on this site. It is extremely informative, one of the reportsshows the negative impacts of drug control on public health other reports cover the multitude of reasons why the 'War on Drugs' is completely pointless. The GCD is chaired by Kofi Annan FWIW.
 
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i haven't made any wild assertions
there is no clear answer as such, which is why i do not have statistics or an article. the only article you posted was rather sketchy with details, and was not the slam dunk you thought it was.

feel free to follow the link below to learn a bit more. make of the statistics there what you will.
http://www.druginfo.adf.org.au/topics/statistics-trends#illicit
your mind is made up it appears, and so is mine. so i don't see any value continuing a discussion. especially when you repeatedly argue against something i never stated in the first place
15% of Australians used an illicit drug (including using a pharmaceutical drug for non-medical purposes) in the previous 12 months. - See more at: http://www.druginfo.adf.org.au/topics/statistics-trends#illicit

15% of 23 million is 3,450,000. That means a vanishingly tiny proportion are "******" by drugs
 
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mmm whilst I understand where you're coming from, I think there's a implicit flaw in your argument. And that is, is it marketing or is it harm minimisation and player safety?

Because if it's marketing as you say, then drug testing is very stupid. If it's about athlete safety, then naming and shaming isn't really appropriate. I understand the theory that it will apparently deter people from doing drugs, unlike now where they are apparently free to, and indeed almost encouraged to, do drugs by the system (lol). But what that actually means is we throw the ones who need the help most under the bus in the interests of stopping the ones who probably aren't that badly affected from experimenting.

Whatever flogs like KB say, it IS a complex issue. It's a high stress job. You have no-one outside the club who really understands what you're going through. You have a lot of militarised routine. Yet paradoxically you have a lot of free time. You work funny hours. You have lots of money and not much to spend it on. Your mates outside footy might do drugs. You might have trouble sleeping after night games. You might use sleeping pills. You might get depressed. As an athlete, you may have a predisposition to risky activity. You might come from a troubled background that only footy has let you escape, and now your idolised. You might get depressed.

In short, you might do drugs, despite the risk. And then what? Named and shamed and if you trangress once or twice more you might be on your arse with no life skills.

That's protecting the health of the most vulnerable footballers???

Nope. The AFL created a monster with this. They gave the moralisers a weapon, and are now trapped in a spiral that moves the policy away from what is was meant to be: a health initiative; into something it never was: a punitive program to appease moralist ******s.

Once again, I look forward to seeing the squealing of the fans of the first bone fida star who gets pinged by this.
It’s marketing – or more specifically, brand. And not testing wouldn’t solve it. Only one player has officially “damaged the brand” via testing – Travis Tuck. Everybody else gets caught by the media and that will happen whether there’s testing or not.

Hear you on health. You do 100x more damage to your body playing a brutal sport at the elite level for a decade.

The shift from health measure to punitive program is due to one thing: blokes getting caught. Cousins, Bennell, Carlisle. The shit gets plastered all over TV and newspapers and as long as the AFL remains set on world domination they have to be seen to be “doing something”. Take away the Kate Moss shots and you have the "health initiative" "working perfectly".

It’s tough. They’re not footballers anymore. They lead lives more akin to high profile businessmen.

The bloke who just wants to play footy is a dying breed, if not already dead. Jakey C on his end of season trip pretty much banged in the final nail. Not even the other side of the world in offseason will be safe now. Nice snapchattin jakey boy
 

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I need to roll a nice green one after reading that
That's illegal and therefore frowned upon.

If you must alter your state of
mind for relaxation purposes please do it in a legal (therefore safe and free from adverse health outcomes?) and socially acceptable manner. Go drink yourself into a stupor.
 

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If the argument for drug testing and punishment is on the grounds that drugs harm your physical and mental well-being then let's get serious about it - we need to cast a wider net, show the kids how to live a good wholesome, safe, risk-free, god-fearing life.

Alcohol? Illegal.
Tobacco? Illegal.
Refined Sugar? Illegal.
Unprotected sex? Illegal.

Supporting the CFC? Simply criminal.
 
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If it's true the findings will be announced before Christmas, that would be great for the players to actually enjoy a stress-free pre-season for the first time in years!
 

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i guess you see what you want to see.
Sorry mate, you're out of your depth. As a public policy issue, all the evidence is against you.

In terms of sport though, it's not uncommon to find elite athletes contractually-banned from, say, going skiing. So why not illicit substances too? I can't imagine the risk levels are wildly different, be that a side-effect of prohibition or otherwise.

And on that note, for the sake of the children, ban skiing. The Demons will thank you later.
 
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Sorry mate, you're out of your depth. As a public policy issue, all the evidence is against you.

In terms of sport though, it's not uncommon to find elite athletes contractually-banned from, say, going skiing. So why not illicit substances too? I can't imagine the risk levels are wildly different, be that a side-effect of prohibition or otherwise.

And on that note, for the sake of the children, ban skiing. The Demons will thank you later.
i'm not talking about public policy
every single person i know that has taken drugs, has either been adversely affected by them, and/or regretted taking them.
hence my statement/view that drugs 'can' **** you up. not only that, as an AFL footballer, it is 'possible' to test positive to a performance enhancing drug, whilst 'only' taking an illicit drug.

you guys can discuss public policy, and advantages/disadvantages of decriminalising drugs all you like. i have no interest discussing that topic on a football forum.
 

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i'm not talking about public policy
every single person i know that has taken drugs, has either been adversely affected by them, and/or regretted taking them.
hence my statement/view that drugs 'can' **** you up. not only that, as an AFL footballer, it is 'possible' to test positive to a performance enhancing drug, whilst 'only' taking an illicit drug.

you guys can discuss public policy, and advantages/disadvantages of decriminalising drugs all you like. i have no interest discussing that topic on a football forum.
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