No Opposition Supporters CAS hands down guilty verdict - Players appealing - Dank shot - no opposition - (cont in pt.2)

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can someone please reproduce the article?
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...s/news-story/5edcca1be5854be53d9d33836a415c12
The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority took no action against Essendon footballers who signed up to sports scientist Stephen Dank’s ill-fated supplements program but denied or did not admit to receiving any injections.

ASADA chief executive Ben McDevitt confirmed that four players who gave written consent to be treated with a Thymosin peptide — the same substance that resulted in 34 of their teammates being banned for doping — were never charged.

The Australiancan reveal that although two of those players denied receiving injections, another two were not interviewed by ASADA and AFL investigators because they were sick or otherwise not available on the day of their scheduled examinations.

It is understood that, despite the priority given to the investigation, the players were never required to attend a later interview.

One of the four footballers who escaped ASADA scrutiny remains a senior player at Essendon. He will continue his AFL career this season while a dozen current teammates serve their suspensions.

Former Essendon coach James Hird toldThe Australianthe doping saga had punished players for telling the truth and spared those who lied. “A couple of players who lied are the players who aren’t in the 34,’’ Hird said.

“Everyone who has told the truth has been bulldozed and destroyed. The ones who went down and told everything they knew are the ones who have been hurt.’’

Under fierce questioning in Senate estimates yesterday, Mr McDevitt was unable to explain why his organisation took no action against the four players.

ASADA’s senior in-house lawyer Elen Perdikogiannis told Greens senator Richard Di Natale that, without admissions, ASADA had no other evidence that they had doped.

“Those players disclosed that they had had no injections and there was no evidence to the contrary,’’ Ms Perdikogiannis said.

Senator Di Natale: “So they may have had injections, you just didn’t have evidence to support that, whereas you had evidence that others did?’’

Ms Perdikogiannis: “That is right.’’

The revelation drew an incredulous response from Liberal senator Chris Back, who was critical of the lack of consideration given by the Court of Arbitration to individual circumstance when it found all 34 players guilty of taking a banned substance.

“So the message for the 34 was they should have gone down the path of their colleagues, shouldn’t they?’’ Senator Back said. “You wouldn’t be here today and they wouldn’t be guilty today if they hadn’t self-incriminated. Am I correct in that assumption?

Mr McDevitt: “I wouldn’t assume that, Senator.’’

The Court of Arbitration for Sport banned 34 current and former Essendon players for two years after finding each guilty of taking a banned peptide, Thymosin Beta 4. The decision overturned an earlier finding by an AFL tribunal that cleared the players of the same offence.

The case before CAS was brought by the World Anti-Doping Agency with ASADA support. The 34 players have appealed against the CAS decision to the Swiss Federal Supreme Court.
 

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Economies of scale. ASADA spreads the expense over many customers and offets expenditure through government funding as it is non-profit, the AFL will not be able to do that.
What - The AFL pays ASADA for tests - Nothing will change if the AFL drops out of the WADA code - Tests will still be done - Nothing to do with economies of scale.
 

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All your saying is that the same samples are going to be tested twice, once for illicit drugs and once for PEDs. This might save on containers and swabs but I can't see it making an enormous difference. Testing processes for different drugs are different, so it can't always be done in one test. In fact rarely can it be done in one test.
There is a huge reason why the government should not support the AFL's own integrity system; they have better things to spend money on like things that boost the economy or improve schooling or health. The simple things in life. Enough said. If the AFL wants to fund it, they will be asked to foot the bill as they should be. The only reason that the government funds ASADA is probably the olympics. AFL, League etc. have to pay their own costs to use ASADA albeit at a discounted rate.
Its a pity that the AFL industry pays millions of dollars in taxes - And funding professional leagues links to youngsters pursuing sport and being fit and healthy.
 

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Surely there would have to be a period of grace following a rule change?
My expectation is that athletes would be notified three months before January 1 - But you need to advise Olympic Committees, their affiliates and then all peak bodies who are WADA signatories and hope it trickles down to athletes - POSTING a notice on websites ONLY is insufficient.
 

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The moral from the Senate Committee is that if you lied about receiving injections or didn't attend an interview, you'll be right I have questioned what happened to the TWO missing players for over two years - So we are closer to finding the answer - So in effect if players refused/forgot to attend interviews all was OK - Strange indeed.
 
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The moral from the Senate Committee is that if you lied about receiving injections or didn't attend an interview, you'll be right I have questioned what happened to the TWO missing players for over two years - So we are closer to finding the answer - So in effect if players refused/forgot to attend interviews all was OK - Strange indeed.
Never change.
 

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The moral from the Senate Committee is that if you lied about receiving injections or didn't attend an interview, you'll be right I have questioned what happened to the TWO missing players for over two years - So we are closer to finding the answer - So in effect if players refused/forgot to attend interviews all was OK - Strange indeed.
And what about the Melbourne players who were reported to be using thymomodulin...
 

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Lots of things were reported. Should everything in the newspaper be investigated?
Considering Ben McDevitt two weeks into the job said "I would like to find out about the experiment that Ziggy Switkowski was talking about," considering there are a bunch of loons right now on twitter sending links to WADA and ASADA of the Australian article where Hird says players lied, considering Dank's interview with McKenzie was tabled as hard evidence and considering that the "thing in the newspaper" was a series of published text messages as opposed to hearsay, well yes.
Particularly after Ben McDevitt has puffed his chest out about protecting sport from cheats. If Dank works for another club and then the word Thymomodulin comes up in his discussion ... it's less that I WANT it investigated and more I'd like an explanation as to why it isn't
 

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Lots of things were reported. Should everything in the newspaper be investigated?
When the same man (dank) is running the same program then yes absolutely. And this wasn't just reported - there was evidence of it in operation cobia with texts between dank and dr bates. Additionally offsite injections at Gladstone park medical centre for Melbourne players...
 

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The moral from the Senate Committee is that if you lied about receiving injections or didn't attend an interview, you'll be right I have questioned what happened to the TWO missing players for over two years - So we are closer to finding the answer - So in effect if players refused/forgot to attend interviews all was OK - Strange indeed.
Which for any athlete in future means, no positive test = do not cooperate under any circumstances.
 

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Another senator (Bracks?) questions McDevitt.

Asks McDevitt to confirm that the club advised all players the substance was legal. Could not deny this.

Asks McDevitt to confirm that not all 34 players received the supplement. Astonishingly McDevitt confirms that this was his understanding.
I've never been invited to one of those murder mystery nights... but if I ever do I'll be quoting the strands theory etc etc, and saying everyone in the house is equally responsible and needs to be charged with murder... should make for quick game. ;)
 

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Reading efcboy's posts of the senate estimates hearing last night, I was shocked to see Jon Perik's article in the Fairfax press today (http://www.canberratimes.com.au/afl...t-wrong-says-asada-chief-20160304-gnakb9.html). Looks like he was listening to a different Senate. No wonder the HTB goes off, being fed that high sugar, low fibre diet.
Well that's an extremely pro McDevitt piece of journalism there. Just shows unless you read the transcripts or watch that the media manipulate and favour certain elements ie cherry picking the hearing to suit their stance.
 

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Listened to Xavier on SEN today a loved everything he said in regards to shutting down Dickhead Culbert.

It is time for us to look into the future and it is time to stand by our players. It's not about non Essendon people's opinions. It's about us being united now and into the future.
 

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The moral from the Senate Committee is that if you lied about receiving injections or didn't attend an interview, you'll be right I have questioned what happened to the TWO missing players for over two years - So we are closer to finding the answer - So in effect if players refused/forgot to attend interviews all was OK - Strange indeed.
See also Aiton, Pommeroy et al
 

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"Hey Hirdy would you like to comment for my article about the banned players?"
"No thanks Chip I think I'll live my life instead"

"no comment" doesn't get printed.
Oh, so the golden boy gets to go on living his life like nothing has happened. Meanwhile the players are suffering, the club is stuffed and supporters are at their wits end. can you believe the nerve of that arsehole?
 
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