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I was arguing that, in the interests of transparency, an investigation of some sort across the league (and indeed in lower levels) should take place.

I didn't expect it to happen, though, so this is of no surprise of me. The AFL has no wish to even entertain the possibility of there being issues on a wider scale, as it would be an utter public relations disaster for them- far beyond even what our saga has been for them.
 

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I swear there has been a huge 180 from this board in regards to these statements. During the saga I swear everyone would praise Essendon every time a statement was released and praise Little for taking action... followed by a circle jerk over how we were going to sue every journo blah blah.

I guess now the situation has changed, but wow it's weird reading this reaction.
 

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Chicky babe wasn't a favourite of mine but he certainly is this year ! He also looks impressive when on the ball too. I used to think we needed a riccuto but I think we found him.

Note that when he was on kouta and Crawf was on bradley (I think) carlton sacrificed those two players to take chick and Crawf away from the action. Carlton were already stronger.
Hear hear

The fans are the harshest critics by the looks of it...
 

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So, according to the AFL survey:
- 12 clubs conducted programs with medium or high levels of supplements
- These clubs lacked "a single point of accountability"
- The definition of supplements was not satisfactory
To me that reads as up to 12 (could be 9, article is unclear) clubs have programs where there is no clear point of accountability and no clear definition of what a supplement is, meaning that there is a chance that there may be some ‘gaps’ in the knowledge of both players and staff as to exactly what everyone has taken/is doing.


If we look at the statement from Fitzpatrick:
However, the Essendon Football Club today acknowledged it had established a supplements
program that was experimental, inappropriate and inadequately vetted and controlled, and
that in relation to the program:
1. the Club failed to ensure it adequately protected the health, welfare and safety of the
players;
2. there was a risk that Essendon players could have been administered substances
prohibited by the AFL Anti-Doping Code and the World Anti-Doping Code and any such
risk is an unacceptable risk;
3. the Essendon FC is unable now to determine whether players were administered some
substances prohibited by the AFL Anti-Doping Code and the World Anti-Doping Code.
By reason of these matters, it has been determined by the Commission, and the Essendon FC
has agreed, that the Essendon FC breached Rule 1.6 of the AFL Rules in that it engaged in
conduct that is unbecoming or likely to prejudice the interests or reputation of the Australian
Football League or to bring the game into disrepute.

The bolded could very easily apply to all those clubs, certainly I would say all supplements programs are to an extent ‘experimental’, the fact that there is no single point of accountability means that it was ‘inadequately controlled’, by not defining supplements you could argue that the players health is not adequately protected and I’m sure there’s always a risk that players could be given stuff prohibited by the code.

Now, it’s quite possible that none of these clubs approached the level of stupidity Essendon did, but the questions are:
- What is the base line for all this, if you breach some of the above have you still brought the game into disrepute, and if so, what levels of sanctions are there? If one of the clubs had an experimental and inadequately vetted program do they cop a $750,000 fine, lose a coach for 6 months and 1 year of draft picks? What about if it isn't experimental but there is still a risk players were given a banned substance?

Me thinks Vlad and the boys have some ‘splainin’ to do (although I won’t hold my breath)
 

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It's become a lot more frequent since Little took over.
We should almost treat it like you treat a bully, if we ignore "them", they might get over it and stop all the crap...I think we are just adding fuel to the fire. The latest media release was a joke, makes us look quite stupid TBH. What did it accomplish?
 

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Doc Larkins said on 3AW at 7pm that 3 clubs injected their players with vitamins and other supplements.
Those 3 clubs agreed unanimously with the other 14 clubs to support the AFL's stance in taking action against us.

And this........
12 clubs conducted programs with medium or high levels of supplements
- These clubs lacked "a single point of accountability"
- The definition of supplements was not satisfactory
And we're the only club punished?? What aren't there at least 3 other coaches facing 12 month bans?
What a farking joke!!!
 

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It seems to be a part of his tactics for sure, but it accomplishes nothing. If I was Caro or at the Age, I'd have an office comp to see how many times you can get Essendon to release a statement from comments from their staff. We're feeding the trolls.
If EFC/Little want to go to town on Caro's bile, I'd prefer him to front up on air with her and take her down face to face. Watch her squirm when there's someone there that has the truth to counter her crap. Either that or just let her insignificant drivel pass by.
 

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what on earth does that statement accomplish other than ensuring Wilson's comments appear in News Ltd papers now.

I am unsure why Little would respond.

Allegations one and two are most probably wrong, especially point 2.Allegations 3 and 4 probably have an element of truth. You'd do expect that it will take a while for the AFL and EFC's relationship to be repaired.

But not worthy of response.
 

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Surely this was a directive by Paul Little?

I highly doubt that he was actively advised by media/PR to do this.

It's just unnecessary and provide lots of fuel to a story that effectively wasn't one. Hell, I personally didn't even know Wilson made any comments last night.

The comments were in addition to her article from 2 days ago. Her comments on 3AW fairly much reflected her column, albeit using stronger language.

Caro was much worse on 5AA when she ripped in Bomber after his appointment as coach.

Strange indeed !
 
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