No Opposition Supporters CAS hands down guilty verdict - Players appealing - Dank shot - no opposition - (cont in pt.2)

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Count me in as one who would support Hird even if players are suspended.
It is simple. Hird did no wrong. Players suspensions, or not, will depend on what Dank did or didn't do, and ASADA's ability to prove it to a tribunal's "comfortable satisfaction".

Irrespective of the twists and turns in the prosecution of charges against the players, and the eventual outcome, Hird did no wrong.
He trusted Dank and Robinson to do what he, and others, instructed them to do - implement a cutting edge, legal and safe sports science program. I don't hold him responsible if they failed to adhere to the legal part.
Yes, I recall the likes of Leigh Matthews saying he wouldn't know what the players took...he was the coach. I'm sure there were others...Chris Judd was one :p
 

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He lost his job. The real culprits are Corcoran and the staff who gave Hird unfettered power. I doubt that Hamilton had little power.
Yes, he lost his job at Essendon. Then he got a shiny new job at AFL Victoria as the GM at AFL Central Victoria... Nothing suss.
 

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Doubt that everyone in the Footy Department will be gone - You can't get rid of 15 or 20 people in one foul swoop.
Is there a reason you cant get rid of 15-20 people in one foul swoop? Isnt the arguement for getting rid of the people that would be responsible? If we apply that logic they all should go, some shouldnt stay on because "we would lose too many people". If you start targetting specific people to leave then you fall in to the trap of targeting those with the biggest profile, not those with the most responsibility.

This is me asking the question, its not something im actually calling for.
 

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Cannot wait for Aug 11. After reading every single stupid article and blog post on how his topic for the past 18 months, my belief is that the AFL and ASADA emerge from this in worse light than EFC.

The argument that issuing SC notices means INs are likely completely ignores the events of the past 18 months that have been completely extraordinary. It also ignores Ben McDonuts complete incompetence and ASADA's federal court statement that the AFL provided the damning evidence, which is pre interim report, remembering that the interim report said there was insufficient evidence to prove any violations.

By this logic, that fact that a federal judge has agreed to hear the case is damning for ASADAS and the AFL.

Make your own judgements but I could not throw anyone under the bus because of the bogus, compromised, and likely illegal AFL/ASADA investigation. It goes against the basic fundamentals I believe in for a fair and just society and I refuse to do it just because I would selfishly prefer things to move on and get back to normal.
 
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I believe this was clarified to something like 90% of SC notices result in infranctions notices WHEN accompanied by a positive sample.

I do also believe that ASADA had their hand forced. They needed to follow this through as it's the highest profile case they've even been involved in. Politics has played as much a hand in the decision to issue SN's as much as anything else.
You mean the stats were misleading?

By George, who'd have thunk it?
 
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All for discussion Ben. What was going on in that thread degenerated pretty quickly to something less than.
To not have a Hird v Thompson thread in this (ridiculously overhyped media driven) climate is a ridiculous decision and hardly one that does anything other than disprove your first sentence there.
 
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Im guessing everybody has already had a rant over this but as I was away over the weekend ill rant now.

After 18 months of this crap I should be used to the media twisting things but the headlines over the weekend had me in a rage...

So Hird suggested that he focus on next year and the papers open with "Hird told to stay away" etc...

click media at its finest
 

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To not have a Hird v Thompson thread in this (ridiculously overhyped media driven) climate is a ridiculous decision and hardly one that does anything other than disprove your first sentence there.
Ben, please.

A lot of people in that thread were questioning the need for the thread in the first place- "Hird is coming back, so the discussion is irrelevant and not needed".

Now suddenly we're quashing reasonable discussion? Can't have it both ways.

It's been demonstrated time and time again that people cannot handle a dedicated thread maturely, it degenerates into crap every single time. Enough is enough.
 

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Ben, please.

A lot of people in that thread were questioning the need for the thread in the first place- "Hird is coming back, so the discussion is irrelevant and not needed".

Now suddenly we're quashing reasonable discussion? Can't have it both ways.

It's been demonstrated time and time again that people cannot handle a dedicated thread maturely, it degenerates into crap every single time. Enough is enough.
So just double checking, Hird v Thompson discussion is allowed or disallowed in this thread?
 

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So just double checking, Hird v Thompson discussion is allowed or disallowed in this thread?
Discuss it if you wish. But for crying out loud, and this applies to both sides in the debate- quit the personal attacks and quit the aggressive and condescending tone. It is utterly unnecessary.
 
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Ben, please.

A lot of people in that thread were questioning the need for the thread in the first place- "Hird is coming back, so the discussion is irrelevant and not needed".

Now suddenly we're quashing reasonable discussion? Can't have it both ways.

It's been demonstrated time and time again that people cannot handle a dedicated thread maturely, it degenerates into crap every single time. Enough is enough.
Whether there should be a debate and whether there is a debate are completely separate things.

There shouldn't be a debate. Hird is coming back and aside from a couple of posters' delusional fantasies, both Hird and Bomber support this.

There is a debate for whatever reason, and quite frankly it's not your job to say it can't be discussed.
 

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And quite frankly it's not your job to tell the mods how to run the board. The incessant whinging is becoming very annoying.

Hird v Thompson can be discussed here if people so desire. No issue with that.

A dedicated thread just gets railroaded, and this has been demonstrated time and time again. People were given the chance and they couldn't handle it maturely. That's our call to make as the moderators of the board, and as an ex-mod, you're very much aware of that.

My/our door is always open if you want to chew the fat about this- but privately. Please.
 

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There is no logic in that statement.
Why can't he?
I have given my reasoning why he should not be held responsible for any suspensions. But you don't give any as to why he should.
If a single player is successfully infracted, the entire football department and support staff are gone.

That would include Hird, Thompson, Goodwin for a start.

The why is very simple. The football department asked for, and received a cutting edge supplements program. If it administered a substance that is banned - it (the football department) ultimately wears responsibility.
 
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