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If you are the head coach of a side who ultimately has players suspended for doping during the period that you were head coach. You are no longer the head coach. Simple.
Not entirely, if the player went on their own accord the coach should be immune but when it was a club run program, an idea of Hird, than they have to pay a penalty.
 

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If that's not enough to see basically all responsible people given their marching orders, then accountability may as well cease to exist as a concept.
I'm fully in favour of all of the responsible people being held accountable.

I'm fully against punishing people who weren't responsible, but happen to have had the bad luck to have been working in the football department at the wrong time.
 

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How can the club have any shred of credibility if players are sitting on the sidelines while those who ultimately cooked up the idea of the program- as a collective- hang around?
Coming up with an idea =/= being responsible for every detail of the implementation of that idea.
 

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I'm fully in favour of all of the responsible people being held accountable.

I'm fully against punishing people who weren't responsible, but happen to have had the bad luck to have been working in the football department at the wrong time.
I can agree with that, yes.

I can't agree that a head coach, a senior assistant, the club doctor or assorted others would fit that second category, though.
 
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"credibility" = sack the footy department (incl head coach) if INs issued
"the buck has to stop somewhere"
'healing' requires new persons in the footy department;
otherwise there will a perception of lack of accountability
the captain has to go down with the ship
the minister has to resign
here is a media article about Hird => Hird is making this all about himself

these kinds of statements are all intellectually lazy, & the sort of rubbish that most of the media base their misinformed opinions on

credible governance & accountability means holding managers to account for what they can be reasonably expected to control. we're not going to sanction the needle manufacturer and we shouldn't sanction any manager who acted responsibly & that might include any of the remaining footy department staff + Reid

if we are going to recover from this saga we need to employ the best people at doing their jobs - not the best people in the eyes of a blinkered media who want Hird's scalp to make them feel relevant. we started a new era with a clean out post Sheedy & the immediate result was non-competitiveness. if we have a good coach, the best available, we should try to keep him

we also need to demonstrate some ethical integrity - loyalty, substance over appearance, truth and never ever letting certain people outside our club influence what we do, are amongst some of the integrity factors we should follow.
 

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Discuss it if you wish. But for crying out loud, and this applies to both sides in the debate- quit the personal attacks and quit the aggressive and condescending tone. It is utterly unnecessary.
If nothing else, the past 17 months has shown that with our backs to the wall, this board's got an amazing sense of camaraderie.

Don't start turning on each other now.

To quote The Hunger Games (yeah yeah, I know), "Remember who the real enemy is".
 
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If nothing else, the past 17 months has shown that with our backs to the wall, this board's got an amazing sense of comradery.

Don't start turning on each other now.

To quote The Hunger Games (yeah yeah, I know), "Remember who the real enemy is".
The Hunger Games goes alright, no need to be ashamed :)
 

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Robbo on sen standing up to the usual bullies - Caro, Smith and Barrett (and the other cling on's)

Even Harford painfully agreed the chances of IF notices are a million to one.
The pain these campaigners must be feeling must be killing them. Hird must be in the coaches box next year purely so I can see these campaigners explode in agony next year. Cant wait.
 

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I wonder if any of the AFL commission jaunts have involved having a look at how other sports implement their drugs policies. Recent case in the NFL results in a quarter of a season penalty for what appears to be an honest mistake sounds more than fair to me with no sweeping under carpets, no avoiding the issue, no dragging it out month after month. The breach was discovered in April & penalty handed down in July, done & dusted & all parties move the **** on.

Saad & other athletes who have faced the wrath of ASADA/WADA must look at stuff like this & just scratch their heads, & as for what's happening to the EFC - :drunk::drunk::drunk: .

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11253884/philadelphia-eagles-lane-johnson-suspended-4-games
 

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And didn't Hird take the responsibility for this situation on that fateful day 18 months ago

The buck has to stop somewhere.

Yes we EFC have been punished but that was for poor governance
It's funny but I've always thought of this as almost confirming that if anything went on, it was behind Hird's back. Like he totally believed there was nothing to see and there was nothing wrong with the program, and because of that he was happy to take full responsibility. In retrospect it wasn't a good thing to say due to the way it has all played out.
 
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I wonder if any of the AFL commission jaunts have involved having a look at how other sports implement their drugs policies. Recent case in the NFL results in a quarter of a season penalty for what appears to be an honest mistake sounds more than fair to me with no sweeping under carpets, no avoiding the issue, no dragging it out month after month. The breach was discovered in April & penalty handed down in July, done & dusted & all parties move the **** on.

Saad & other athletes who have faced the wrath of ASADA/WADA must look at stuff like this & just scratch their heads, & as for what's happening to the EFC - :drunk::drunk::drunk: .

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11253884/philadelphia-eagles-lane-johnson-suspended-4-games
The american codes don't sign up to WADA/USDA so they run their own routine

The NFL has a 1st offence (4 games), 2nd offence (8 games) and 3rd offence (season, or 16 games), and thats mistake or intent, recreational and PED.
Not sure on the NBA policy but Hedo Turkuglu was suspended for 20 games for his doctor administering a banned substance.

and have no idea on the baseball
 

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The american codes don't sign up to WADA/USDA so they run their own routine

The NFL has a 1st offence (4 games), 2nd offence (8 games) and 3rd offence (season, or 16 games), and thats mistake or intent, recreational and PED.
Not sure on the NBA policy but Hedo Turkuglu was suspended for 20 games for his doctor administering a banned substance.

and have no idea on the baseball

Yes, I know & why I posted, oh what could have been...
 

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The american codes don't sign up to WADA/USDA so they run their own routine

The NFL has a 1st offence (4 games), 2nd offence (8 games) and 3rd offence (season, or 16 games), and thats mistake or intent, recreational and PED.
Not sure on the NBA policy but Hedo Turkuglu was suspended for 20 games for his doctor administering a banned substance.

and have no idea on the baseball
I think there are areas the NFL is too weak, Ings pointedout 4 weeks for taking EPO on purpose is too light.
 
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I think there are areas the NFL is too weak, Ings pointedout 4 weeks for taking EPO on purpose is too light.
the NFL probably knows if it signed up to WADA they would be dishing out a good 2-3 dozen 2 year holidays every season.
But on the other hand the same ban for any drug is a bit of a stretch. A player from Baltimore got 4 games for failing to clear his medication (for ADHD I think) with the league. I was fully legal, he just hadn't lodged the paperwork in time and he was tested
 
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It's funny but I've always thought of this as almost confirming that if anything went on, it was behind Hird's back. Like he totally believed there was nothing to see and there was nothing wrong with the program, and because of that he was happy to take full responsibility. In retrospect it wasn't a good thing to say due to the way it has all played out.
I too believe that Hird et al do not believe that anything sinister has occurred which is why he said he'd take responsibility.

And I believe that he should not have said anything.

But he did say he would take responsibility and that is the reason he has been hung, drawn and quartered by our illustrious media
 

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the NFL probably knows if it signed up to WADA they would be dishing out a good 2-3 dozen 2 year holidays every season.
But on the other hand the same ban for any drug is a bit of a stretch. A player from Baltimore got 4 games for failing to clear his medication (for ADHD I think) with the league. I was fully legal, he just hadn't lodged the paperwork in time and he was tested
Yep, I can accept 4 weeks for that.

But, I think an EO breach needs something like 12 games first offence.

I think 2 years is harsh on team sports where you miss alot more compared to athletics.
 

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I too believe that Hird et al do not believe that anything sinister has occurred which is why he said he'd take responsibility.

And I believe that he should not have said anything.

But he did say he would take responsibility and that is the reason he has been hung, drawn and quartered by our illustrious media
Tim Watson make the point there was a story behind that line too, guess it was reading off a card essentially. Later to figure out what was going on.
 
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