Some sort of goal from the boundary from the big fella too.
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VFL Casey v Essendon 7-10pm Sat 14/6
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Hobbs and Tsatas are done imo. Neither will make it
The ruck looks good. Jumps out of the gym
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Davey needs to go to
As weak at the contest as any player I’ve seen on an Essendon list.
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There is a bit in the last he catches the guy with his speed but you just knew he wouldn't stick the tackle. Not sure how Smartt went earlier on but crunched a guy with a brutal tackle.
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Tsatas excellent, not sure how anyone could say that was a bad game, it’s potentially the most impactful territory game he’s ever played for us
Hobbs meh, good for VFL but should be braining it at that level, looks very short on confidence
Shiel very good linking and hitting the scoreboard more outside impact
Gerreyn quiet and then ended the game in a sling, shoulder got pulled back awkwardly in a marking contest
Menzie good but nothing to write home about, wouldn’t expect he’d push for selection off the back of it
ADJ quietest game in a while, just couldn’t get in
Unwin did some nice, impactful things but quiet on the whole
Smartt quiet but really good moments where he shows good power to make and break tackles and crack in hard
McMahon standard, best key forward on the ground
Nothing out of the VFL contingent apart from O’Neill who played back, Hately, Eckersley and Monteith who was dominant for 3 quarters then cramped badly late.
Sweid played exclusively forward and was quiet, would have liked to see him have a run around the ball.
Hobbs meh, good for VFL but should be braining it at that level, looks very short on confidence
Shiel very good linking and hitting the scoreboard more outside impact
Gerreyn quiet and then ended the game in a sling, shoulder got pulled back awkwardly in a marking contest
Menzie good but nothing to write home about, wouldn’t expect he’d push for selection off the back of it
ADJ quietest game in a while, just couldn’t get in
Unwin did some nice, impactful things but quiet on the whole
Smartt quiet but really good moments where he shows good power to make and break tackles and crack in hard
McMahon standard, best key forward on the ground
Nothing out of the VFL contingent apart from O’Neill who played back, Hately, Eckersley and Monteith who was dominant for 3 quarters then cramped badly late.
Sweid played exclusively forward and was quiet, would have liked to see him have a run around the ball.
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He’s some how elite at, not being at the contest either and sprinting in late having 0 impact on the passage of play. It could be off the screen work rate I don’t know but the kid looks hopeless unfortunately. Smartts moments looked like afl impact worthy moments
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Sweids first possession was in the back pocket
Tsatas should be “braining it” at this level but doesn’t. Has moments but not consistent enough. Agree that his territory game was an improvement on recent weeks
Hobbs plays to the level he is in.
Thought Hoare was best on sans the turnover that tipped the tide in Casey favour.
Of the VFL guys, Solomon McKay intrigues me as a small defender, just does the basics well. Reason he’s picked every week
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Will be interesting how Smartt goes at the top level and will probably get a chance sooner than later. Doesn't mind physicality, smashed a guy in the third QTR who didn't see him coming. Also will kick most chances he gets 30m directly in front and will kick some half chances. Our forward entries the thing that won't help though. In any case I suspect he will be an upgrade on Menzie, ADJ, Gresham.
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I suspect that since he did his shoulder he has basically lost what physical game he had. He was never that bas at under 18 level. Not a beast but he made run down tackles. Now as you say he just sprints in and the basically escorts them hoping they make a mistake. Also dodges front on contact most of the time.
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Sweid played exclusively forward, he may have got up the ground a little bit, but he didn’t play any midfield.
Tsatas is braining it presently. We just watched it.
Hoare did as much good as he did bad, missed a 30 metre target by 30 metres, let Jefferson and Hardie go up to mark uncontested, didn’t spoil and left the ball to soft drop multiple times. I like him but it was not his best game.
Solly McKay really limited player. Good honest tryer but not at the level I don’t think.
Having said that, it is a difficult situation. 6 weeks ago the VFL backline would have been Hayes, Johnson, Clarke, Laverde, Nguyen and Nyko with Hoare, now they’re all either playing AFL or injured.
I say this without a hint of sarcasm, appreciation of the irony or recognition of our history in this regard:
draft Monteath to see if he can be developed into an inside mid.
As impressive as his influence on that game was, you would not think that an AFL side would allow a ruckman that amount of leeway to follow. But, he's shown maybe 4 or 5 of the 6 or 7 qualities that you'd want to be possessed by what is probably now the single first touch/hardball specialists that most sides allow to hunt inside ball (regardless of speed and 2-way work rate/capacity).
The 2 to 3 unknowns are what makes or breaks him as a midfielder. Even being the ruckman at a stoppage is still miles from being the player whose job it is to take the first possession. But, and unlike flankers, the physical requirements and 360 degree nature of play at a stoppage are already part of his job description. And he quite clearly already understands the attacking running patterns of a midfielder.
He's got an impressive combination of size, athleticism and innate footballing ability (which could not have been faked). Someone will surely have a go and turning that into something.
draft Monteath to see if he can be developed into an inside mid.
As impressive as his influence on that game was, you would not think that an AFL side would allow a ruckman that amount of leeway to follow. But, he's shown maybe 4 or 5 of the 6 or 7 qualities that you'd want to be possessed by what is probably now the single first touch/hardball specialists that most sides allow to hunt inside ball (regardless of speed and 2-way work rate/capacity).
The 2 to 3 unknowns are what makes or breaks him as a midfielder. Even being the ruckman at a stoppage is still miles from being the player whose job it is to take the first possession. But, and unlike flankers, the physical requirements and 360 degree nature of play at a stoppage are already part of his job description. And he quite clearly already understands the attacking running patterns of a midfielder.
He's got an impressive combination of size, athleticism and innate footballing ability (which could not have been faked). Someone will surely have a go and turning that into something.
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197cm - unless a massive leap won't be AFL ruck except pinch hitting but at that height could be a Kouta sized midfielder indeed. If the club thinks he could be something special could be listed with the "hamstring awareness" injury known only to keep guys out for months at Essendon, until draft time
197cm - unless a massive leap won't be AFL ruck except pinch hitting but at that height could be a Kouta sized midfielder indeed. If the club thinks he could be something special could be listed with the "hamstring awareness" injury known only to keep guys out for months at Essendon, until draft time
Kouta sets the standard way too high. Might as well be Danger.
I'm thinking of it more like drafting Ned Long, Hustwaite or George Stevens a few years in. You've got an imperfect player who is an absolute meat axe and who has the physical capability to dominate the hardball.
In my view you only really have the room to play 1 of these one-paced stoppage specialists which is why you want that player to be the most physically dominant player possible. I'm not saying Monteath is a stoppage specialist just that I'd try to turn him into one because I think he's got the capability. If he's more than that, that's great.
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Could he also play CHF with Caddy doing the tall half forward role. Also known as the Gary Lyon role
Yeah, sure.
While he is a tall player, I think forward is probably a more complicated transition than a role inside. It's nothing new for ruckman to struggle playing forward. He also doesn't necessarily have a competitive advantage standing at CHF. We have 3 defenders who are taller than him (and about as athletic) and most clubs are in a similar situation.
He could just end up as one of the outlier short ruckman but that's not my thing. There is almost no value in possession accumulation by a ruckman.
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In the absence of a VFL match thread we are witnessing a much anticipated Trent Mynott/Noah Gown revenge game
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McMahon may not want to but if he is happy to stay and be a depth swing man like a Matt Spangher/LRT/Lachie Keefe that is a massive win for the club.
