Beauty & Style Cat calling?

[John Dawh]

treat women as sexual objects by dehumanizing, embarrassing and disempowering women publicly through sexualizing their bodies/existence.

I don't think men are to blame for this. Women sexualise themselves to attract men. Either to actually attract men, or use the attention to validate themselves.

As bad as that sounds, it is what it is. It's a shame we're pretending this isn't the case.

As for cat calls and stalking, that's just not cool and downright creepy, respectively.

 

[Engimal]

I very rarely ever hear someone "cat call" ever and it's always that one loud, obnoxious campaigner that everyone thinks is a w***er. I don't think it's a problem here in Australia.

 

[John Dawh]

I remember in the late 80s in Perth there was a catch cry "do you suck ****". Stayed at a mate's place on the roundabout across from the Lookout in Scarborough and head dudes yelling this out all night at every decent girl who walked path. Bet those dudes are doing FIFO jobs right now.

 

[Bluelegs]

It would be more annoying to be ignored.

After dealing with people yelling out to you everytime you go for a walk I can understand not wanting to stop and speak to these people

 

[Bluelegs]

I don't think men are to blame for this. Women sexualise themselves to attract men. Either to actually attract men, or use the attention to validate themselves.

As bad as that sounds, it is what it is. It's a shame we're pretending this isn't the case.

As for cat calls and stalking, that's just not cool and downright creepy, respectively.

Yeah women should just wear burkas so they donr tempt the poor men

 

[John Dawh]

After dealing with people yelling out to you wverytime you go for a walk I can understand not wanti g to stop and speak ro these people

You may have missed the point...........

 

[Bluelegs]

You may have missed the point...........

The point of this thread is discussing catcalling isnt it?

 

[John Dawh]

Yeah women should just wear burkas so they donr tempt the poor men

What are you babbling about?

Women often dress for attention. They can't choose when to turn it off and on.

 

[Raz0r6ack]

Girl logic: spend hours getting ready just to ignore whoever gives them attention...

 

[John Dawh]

The point of this thread is discussing catcalling isnt it?

I made a post. You quoted but completely misunderstood the context of my post (and the next one you quoted)

 

[The_Reaper]

It was pretty embarrassing watching Australian TV shows after this video came out:



Apparently a big bootied latino chick getting some attention when she walked through a neighbourhood of black guys in America is somehow reflective of what Australian women have to put up with in day to day life.

I must admit- anyone who talks to a complete random and says 'has a nice evening' is suspect

Probably the type of person who talks to strangers at the bus stop

 

[Richard Cranium]

Smarter than everyone else and always getting hit on... I want to be little graham when I grow up.

 

[Bluelegs]

What are you babbling about?

Women often dress for attention. They can't choose when to turn it off and on.

Watch some of the videos being posted. Many women say it doesnt matter what they wear they still have to deal with it.

 

[Bluelegs]

I made a post. You quoted but completely misunderstood the context of my post (and the next one you quoted)

You quoted me directly first. What is the context of "it would be more annoying to be ignored" if it wasnt my post which you quoted

 

[John Dawh]

The point of this thread is discussing catcalling isnt it?

Let me spell it out for you:

The NY catcall video is to depict the common complaint women have about being treated as sexual beings. It's basically saying "we should be able to wear what we want without men thinking we are sexual beings". Ever heard of the **** Shaming campaign? Exactly the same point they are trying to make.

In Harlem this means what you see on the video. In Australia it probably means having a discreet perve to trying to chat up a woman.

So let's think about this for a second:

1. Women often dress for attention. It may mean they want men to notice them and approach them (the right men). Or it more often might mean they want men to notice them to improve their self esteem.

2. Men are going to look and men are going to look at women as sexual objects. Women can whinge and moan about this all they like, and men in the media can pretend it's not right, but deep down we all know the truth: that's how men are hard wired. No if's, no buts. If we are hetero we ask ourselves the question about EVERY SINGLE FEMALE WE MEET "would I **** her" (does not include family members for mainlanders).

3. Furthermore, women want to sexualise their appearance but then think it's their right to pick and choose which men it's okay to perve at them or approach them. This is just not realistic. I don't know 1 woman who would complain if George Clooney approached them anywhere. Yet if ugly Martin approaches them and tries to strike up a conversation they are outraged that men dare approach or have a discreet perve or whatever. Someone needs to remind women of this but any male media personality dare say it their words will be twisted, they will be demonised as a mysoginist, and their career will be in free fall.


That youtube video is not about whistling per see. It's about women wanting it both ways.

 

[John Dawh]

Watch some of the videos being posted. Many women say it doesnt matter what they wear they still have to deal with it.

Society governs that men have to do the asking. This is indoctrinated in us from our first primary school disco where the boys have to ask the girls to dance. Whilst it doesn't have to be this way, a guy can't be expected to wait around and be asked out by a girl. Until this changes, girls just have to get used to the fact that guys will hit on them.

 

[John Dawh]

You quoted me directly first. What is the context of "it would be more annoying to be ignored" if it wasnt my post which you quoted

Because if you're a girl and no guys are hitting on you then you're probably fat and ugly. I think these women not only need some perspective but need to get their head out of their arses. They'll happily sexualise themselves when they need some male attention to validate to themselves that they are desirable but when it doesn't suit, revert to "men are sleazy creeps who treat women like sex objects".

 

[Bluelegs]

Let me spell it out for you:

The NY catcall video is depict the common complaint women have about being treated as sexual beings. It's basically saying "we should be able to wear what we want without men thinking we are sexual beings". Ever heard of the **** Shaming campaign? Exactly the same point they are trying to make.

In Harlem this means what you see on the video. In Australia it probably means having a discreet perve to trying to chat up a woman.

So let's think about this for a second:

1. Women often dress for attention. It may mean they want men to notice them and approach them (the right men). Or it more often might mean they want men to notice them to improve their self esteem.

2. Men are going to look and men are going to look at women as sexual objects. Women can whinge and moan about this all they like, and mean in the media can pretend it's not right, but deep down we all know the truth: that's how men are hard wired. No if's, no buts. If we are hetero we ask ourselves the question about EVERY SINGLE FEMALE WE MEET "would I **** her" (does not include family members for mainlanders).

3. Furthermore, women want to sexualise their appearance but then think it's their right to pick and choose which men it's okay to perve at them or approach them. This is just not realistic. I don't know 1 woman who would complain if George Clooney approached them anywhere. Yet if ugly Martin approaches them and tries to strike up a conversation they are outraged that men dare approach or have a discreet perve or whatever. Someone needs to remind women of this but any male media personality dare say it their words will be twisted, they will be demonised as a mysoginist, and their career will be in free fall.


That youtube video is not about whistling per see. It's about women wanting it both ways.

I have to disagree. Firstly on **** shaming that was more about women feeling they were being judged harshly for wanting sex. And that rape victims are often blamed for the way they presented themselves at the time rather than a rapist being blamed for raping.

On cat calling and the way most women dress. Let me give you an example. Im currently at a concert and the vast majority of the wonen here are wearing a variety of dresses, jackets, jeans, t-shirts, and so on. Women dress for fashion just as men do and yhey dont deserve to be harrassed because of it. Some wonen dress to show off their sexuality but these arent the only women who have to deal with catcalling.

 

[John Dawh]

I have to disagree. Firstly on **** shaming that was more about women feeling they were being judged harshly for wanting sex. And that rape victims are often blamed for the way they presented themselves at the time rather than a rapist being blamed for raping.

You just contradicted yourself in that paragraph. I'm referring to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SlutWalk

On cat calling and the way most women dress. Let me give you an example. In currently at a concert and the vast majority of the wonen here are wearing a variety of dresses, jackets, jeans, t-shirts, and so on. Women dress for fashion just as men do and yhey dont deserve to be harrassed because of it. Some wonen dress to show off their sexuality but these arent the only women who have to deal with catcalling.

I see.... so you still think this whole thing is about cat calling?

Cat calling is not cool but a lot of women think:

1. Men should not view them as sexual objects
2. They should be free from being propositioned by any dude they are not interested

it's quite simply fanciful.

 

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[Bluelegs]

You just contradicted yourself in that paragraph. I'm referring to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SlutWalk


I see.... so you still think this whole thing is about cat calling?

Cat calling is not cool but a lot of women think:

1. Men should not view them as sexual objects
2. They should be free from being propositioned by any dude they are not interested

it's quite simply fanciful.

I didn't contradict myself you made a blanket reference to the **** shaming demonstrations which were about many things but from what I've seen focused heavily on the way promiscuous women were stigmatised. That article also reinforces exactly what I was saying here:

Participants protest against explaining or excusing rape by referring to any aspect of a woman's appearance,[4]

That was the second sentence.

I keep talking about cat calling because that's what this thread is about. I'm trying to talk about the subject at hand and you keep trying to manouver it to some weird perpetuation you have fathomed in your mind.

The majority of women complaining about catcalling are complaining about one thing, harrassment. They don't want to walk down the street and be shouted at or demeaned as a person. You seem to be fixated on the idea that women contradict themselves on this issue. Yes there are superficial women who say one thing and act another way. These are called hypocrites, but there are shitty people from every gender, race, culture, and creed. You can't hold those people up as an example and say that all women are like that.

 

[PaddyO]

Every now and then Ive been cat called by some shiela (probably on her period). I use to take it as a compliment, it use to make me feel good. I use to think free orgasms if we ever catch up.

Not any more though, I'm now very scared I might get r*ped. Seems cat calling is something rapists do. Apparantly, if you don't do something about it, you might get r*ped.





http://www.elephantjournal.com/2014...caller-reclaim-our-feminine-power-in-2-words/

Just focus on those women in the supermarket who do things to get attention.

 

[John Dawh]

Cat calling is just lame and disrespectful. I can't see how it is connected to rape? And this "rape" culture some women talk about? What "rape" culture. This is massively offensive to men as a whole. There is no rape culture in Australia or western society.

 

[crownie]

I would be interested to see the results of a male tourist walking the streets of Harlem and similar locations for 10 hours.

no cat calling for me but I have been to America twice and done plenty of walking around different cities and got plenty of random comments, I think its just how americans are and aussies like to keep to themselves more.

 

[BORK]

no cat calling for me but I have been to America twice and done plenty of walking around different cities and got plenty of random comments, I think its just how americans are and aussies like to keep to themselves more.

Did you do it in Harlem? From what I have heard tourists are more likely to get pick pocketed/mugged over there(USA). An obvious tourist walking circles of Harlem for a few hours would definitely be interesting to watch.