Beauty & Style Cat calling?

[John Dawh]

They don't want to be disturbed, but if someone they find very attractive disturbs them, suddenly they will be more welcoming.

There's no problem in that at all. But constant articles in our media saying "it's not okay for men to hit on us" is different.

Not liking being hit on by guys they're not interested in is fine and one thing, but then expecting the guys they aren't interested in to not hit on them is ludicrous.

"I don't like it" is different to "they shouldn't do it".

 

[John Dawh]

Isn't this normal pick-and-choose behaviour though? If any of these woman walked up to you in a bar

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=ugly women&biw=1067&bih=461&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=PW9kVJiHOOihmQWA0oGoDg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=PfYCzRJddpla_M%3A;rqTwk5-8sXNx-M;http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teamjimmyjoe.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F11%2FFunny-Mug-Shots-ugly-woman.jpg;http%3A%2F%2Fwww.teamjimmyjoe.com%2F2012%2F11%2Ffunny-mug-shots-20-of-worst-bad-crazy%2F;500;625

and attempted to chat you up, how many would you sleep with? It's in your power to say yes or no to these multitudes of women.

Same as any other human.

Apologies, by the way, for slapping that big URL on you. Bigfooty doesn't want me to post images anymore - they keep turning up as blank boxes - not even the [x] kind, either. It's a conspiracy, I tells ya...

You're just not grasping. I've been quite specific.

Women can turn down what ever guy they want, whenever they want, and without providing a reason.

You need to read the thread again because what you think I'm saying is definitely not what I'm saying.

 

[J_Moore]

what? you need a good lie down.

Honestly, man. You might think "rape culture is ridiculous, me and my mates never sit around and decide to rape someone", but the sad reality is that you'll know both victims and perpetrators. It's very wide spread, and it cuts across class, race, etc. It's not hysterical to acknowledge that.

 

[JD11]

A 40 year old man should know it's inappropriate to hit on a 20 year girl.

Lol... Seriously?

 

[John Dawh]

Honestly, man. You might think "rape culture is ridiculous, me and my mates never sit around and decide to rape someone", but the sad reality is that you'll know both victims and perpetrators. It's very wide spread, and it cuts across class, race, etc. It's not hysterical to acknowledge that.

Whilst that is true, accusing men of having a "rape culture" is offensive. Whilst 99.something percentage of sexual abuse is committed by men, and while sexual discrimination or violence is not okay, the "rape culture" accusation is quite unfair. And relating wolf whistling to rape is just ridiculous. I doubt there is any link. And seriously, when's the last time you heard a wolf whistle? I've heard maybe 1 in the last 2 decades.

 

[Caesar]

Why would you think that?

You came into a thread discussing treatment of women that is, in your own words, "ranging from disrespectful to sexual harassment". The first thing you did was divert the discussion into a separate criticism of women.

If that criticism is separate (as you yourself was at pains to stress), why did you feel the conversation needed to be redirected in that manner? It's something that happens with curious regularity every time an element of gender inequity affecting women is brought up on this board.

Anyone might think that a certain group of posters are so uncomfortable with the idea that inequity towards women actually exists, that they cannot address any aspect of it without attempting to undermine women's credibility. Which is just exquisite, really.

 

[Slippery Pete]

It was pretty embarrassing watching Australian TV shows after this video came out:



Apparently a big bootied latino chick getting some attention when she walked through a neighbourhood of black guys in America is somehow reflective of what Australian women have to put up with in day to day life.

Nailed it.

This sort of low-brow catcalling is so rare in the CBDs of Australia's capital cities that I honestly can't remember the last time I saw it.

The woman in this video with the ass the size of Texas is obviously two things - 1, a racist, and 2, a certified, A-grade attention whore. She hates catcalling but loves reminding the world of her DD **** as she walks through a neighbourhood of penniless black men. Female white privilege for the win!

P.S - I wonder what happened to all the footage of the well-to-do white men on Wall St catcalling her? Rumour has it the producers left it on the cutting room floor because she made out with a few of them.

 

[John Dawh]

You came into a thread discussing treatment of women that is, in your own words, "ranging from disrespectful to sexual harassment". The first thing you did was divert the discussion into a separate criticism of women.

Threads evolve. A played a part in the evolution of this thread because we all know cat calling is neither here nor there. To my knowledge it rarely happens and the vast majority know it's not cool.

Which is just exquisite, really.

Pete? Pete Evans? That you and your activated almonds?

 

[Caesar]

Threads evolve.

Certainly. And when the same types of threads 'evolve' in the same way, at the instigation of the same posters, it's telling.

If you're serious about introspection, I'd take a look back at your posts in these kinds of threads. Count up how many times you've posted primarily not to actually discuss the inequity, but rather to highlight and bring back some kind of criticism to women - either in general, a particular subset, or one or more women in particular.

Regardless of the validity or otherwise of the criticisms, what do you think it says about yourself that you willfully shy away from the topic and keep returning to draw from that particular well?

 

[Floor Pie]

And so they should.

Society has dictated that the norm is for men to approach women. As long as there is no disprespect shown, then women need to suck it up. There's countless articles by women bemoaning being hit on by guys they're not interested in. They need some perspective.


But how does prospect number 10 know that 9 other guys have already approached? It's unrealistic. Women need to suck it up.

Women get hit on, men get rejected. Both unpalatable yet publicly only women are campaigning about it as if hitting on women is a crime if you're not the one she's interested in.

Sure, but that's life. Suck it up. Stop thinking men should know before they approach whether the woman is interested.

This is part of what women are complaining about. They don't want guys they aren't interested in, catching their eye. It's only ok for guys they are interested in.

Apparently men are just meant to know?

There's no problem in that at all. But constant articles in our media saying "it's not okay for men to hit on us" is different.

Not liking being hit on by guys they're not interested in is fine and one thing, but then expecting the guys they aren't interested in to not hit on them is ludicrous.

"I don't like it" is different to "they shouldn't do it".

Wait...

Your issue is just that women complain about being hit on, and write articles about it?

I'd say a woman complaining to their friends, or an article on it, is far less intrusive than having a stranger approach you and try to date you. So maybe you need to suck it up as well?


If your point is actually that you don't want women to complain about it, and that's all... this is a ****ing boring discussion, and I've no idea how it's even an issue.
Write in to ACA, sign a petition. You're as bad as the people who write the articles.

 

[J_Moore]

Nailed it.

This sort of low-brow catcalling is so rare in the CBDs of Australia's capital cities that I honestly can't remember the last time I saw it.

The woman in this video with the ass the size of Texas is obviously two things - 1, a racist, and 2, a certified, A-grade attention whore. She hates catcalling but loves reminding the world of her DD **** as she walks through a neighbourhood of penniless black men. Female white privilege for the win!

P.S - I wonder what happened to all the footage of the well-to-do white men on Wall St catcalling her? Rumour has it the producers left it on the cutting room floor because she made out with a few of them.

lol shit post

 

[John Dawh]

Certainly. And when the same types of threads 'evolve' in the same way, at the instigation of the same posters, it's telling.

If you're serious about introspection, I'd take a look back at your posts in these kinds of threads. Count up how many times you've posted primarily not to actually discuss the inequity, but rather to highlight and bring back some kind of criticism to women - either in general, a particular subset, or one or more women in particular.

Regardless of the validity or otherwise of the criticisms, what do you think it says about yourself that you willfully shy away from the topic and keep returning to draw from that particular well?

I'm aware of how many similar stances I've had. I don't need to count. But it's far simpler than you think:

1. I'm sick of the overt feminism going on right now. It's in our faces.
2. Men can't say anything or they will be misrepresented. Not surprisingly MWNN tried to do this on this very thread and I'm an anon nobody. Imagine a male in the media making a stand. I can give you examples of 2 women who made public comments and were misrepresented and torn to threads by the media. A man speaking up against feminism has no chance.
3. It makes me sick that people like some in this thread don't bother to stop, read, analyse, assess, and then make a decision. Common sense has gone out the window and we dare not say anything.

You seem to think there must be some sort of underlying hatred of women or some sort of rejection or resentment problem with women. Why does this have to be so? You should know by know I'm a pretty rational bloke who doesn't suffer fools easily and doesn't cop people think dumb shit.

So let me answer the questions you already think you know the answers to:

1. I've been in a relationship for over 15 years. I'm not actually married but I consider myself more or less the same thing.
2. I haven't ever had a bad relationship break up
3. I'm not a jealous person by nature
4. I haven't been rejected by women any more than any other guy. It's a part of life. I've always been comfortable with it.
5. I'm also not in the game of picking up women. I'm attached, remember.
6. I don't think women are dishonest conniving bitches. I don't have any resentment whatsover ever about how women treat men (whether it's rejecting them, mistreating them, cheating on them, going after fame or cash etc). I am completely at ease with it.
7. I also strongly believe in equalisation and detest sexual and other violence against women.

So I'm either lying or your psycho-analysis is way off the radar.

Is it really that hard to believe that a normal well adjusted person is sick of constant feminism and unreasonable expectations shoved down our throat by the media? There's lots of people who think what I think but won't say it publicly. It's not a coincidence that I choose to speak out on an anonymous forum.

People like you who don't debate any points but just points the finger and say "you have a problem" are a disgrace.

 

[John Dawh]

Wait...

Your issue is just that women complain about being hit on, and write articles about it?

I assume you haven't noticed the constant and overt feminism in the media? I'm all for equalisation but 80% of the articles and stories are ridiculous.

And yes, it pisses me right off.

I'd say a woman complaining to their friends, or an article on it, is far less intrusive than having a stranger approach you and try to date you. So maybe you need to suck it up as well?

Even more annoying is people who can't comprehend arguments. Go back and read post #139.

If your point is actually that you don't want women to complain about it, and that's all... this is a ******* boring discussion, and I've no idea how it's even an issue.
Write in to ACA, sign a petition. You're as bad as the people who write the articles.

Now now, let's not use a patronising tone when afterall, it's you who can't grasp my point. Post #139 explains it all.

 

[Floor Pie]

I assume you haven't noticed the constant and overt feminism in the media? I'm all for equalisation but 80% of the articles and stories are ridiculous.

And yes, it pisses me right off.


Even more annoying is people who can't comprehend arguments. Go back and read post #139.


Now now, let's not use a patronising tone when afterall, it's you who can't grasp my point. Post #139 explains it all.

What do you consider constant and overt feminism? What's an example?

There is a difference between feminism, and idiots with opinions. And there are plenty of idiots with opinions who write media articles.

Feminism isn't stating that all men are evil, that's offshoots and extremists who do more damage than good.



Post 139.

There's no problem in that at all. But constant articles in our media saying "it's not okay for men to hit on us" is different.

Not liking being hit on by guys they're not interested in is fine and one thing, but then expecting the guys they aren't interested in to not hit on them is ludicrous.

"I don't like it" is different to "they shouldn't do it".

So... your point is... that a woman should not expect to not be hit on?
That they should expect it and accept it?

If this isn't what you're saying, humour me and dumb it down.

Because people will write articles complaining about nothing. It's what the media does.

 

[Slippery Pete]

People like you who don't debate any points but just points the finger and say "you have a problem" are a disgrace.

What you're dealing with is an arena of misfits and defectives constantly on the attack, because their egos are heavily invested in their idelogy. It's their religion.

People like you, on the other hand, (normal people), assess their value more broadly, because their egos don't depend on everyone else subscribing to their warped world view.

Feminists fantasize that by lecturing you about made-up horseshit theories like "**** shaming," "fat shaming" "rape culture" and "patriarchal oppression" they can remodel the sexual market to suit their every emotional whim, while restricting yours to the full extent of the femcampaigner law.

Don't try and understand their motives. Normal people can't.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Mate it makes people distinctly uncomfortable. If there are a bunch of blokes sitting by a footpath, and they stop what they're doing and just stare at you in silence as you walk by (which happens to women a lot), it's ******* creepy. It makes people feel like shit. Why should people be made to feel like shit? Do you have an empathy deficit?

It happens to me too and I'm a guy. Even better is the one when they giggle afterwards. Damn teenage girls promoting rape culture.

 

[Raz0r6ack]

What you're dealing with is an arena of misfits and defectives constantly on the attack, because their egos are heavily invested in their idelogy. It's their religion.

People like you, on the other hand, (normal people), assess their value more broadly, because their egos don't depend on everyone else subscribing to their warped world view.

Feminists fantasize that by lecturing you about made-up horseshit theories like "**** shaming," "fat shaming" "rape culture" and "patriarchal oppression" they can remodel the sexual market to suit their every emotional whim, while restricting yours to the full extent of the femcampaigner law.

Don't try and understand their motives. Normal people can't.

Precisely.

Feminism is the obsession of victimhood, the overactive "pity me" mentality. Only those who are weak emotionally and have low self esteem turn to it for excuses for why their life has not been successful.

This is also why the vast majority of feminists are misfits, excessively obese, less than attractive or gay and lesbian.

Their mentality is one that they don't fit in and don't belong. It drives these individuals to search for a golden bullet. It must answer all the questions as to why they are failing at life but better yet redirect the blame away from the individual as to alleviate any responsibility too.

This is what feminism is to the vast majority who follow it, and this is why feminists have difficulty containing their hate for men and their ridiculous notions that it's all men's fault for everything. Often the amount of negative effort they are directing at themselves gets converted directly into hatred for men.

Because, for these misfits to stop, it would mean they would have to take responsibility for their failures which is what a lot of them are incapable of doing.

This is why you find a lot of weak and fragile people are drawn to feminism and also why these types of feminist are also hyper sensitive and are offended by just about everything.

 

[J_Moore]

lol shit poster

you guys can keep tugging each other off if you want, but if you think "The woman in this video with the ass the size of Texas is obviously two things - 1, a racist, and 2, a certified, A-grade attention whore. She hates catcalling but loves reminding the world of her DD **** as she walks through a neighbourhood of penniless black men" is either funny, or trenchant commentary (I think it's meant to be the former), then you're beyond help.

To answer your earlier question, though, about which posts of yours I thought were shithouse posts:

I don't think men are to blame for this. Women sexualise themselves to attract men. Either to actually attract men, or use the attention to validate themselves.

Women often dress for attention. They can't choose when to turn it off and on.

That's pretty standard "it's women's fault for being attractive" bullshit. What the **** are they meant to do?

 

[John Dawh]

What do you consider constant and overt feminism? What's an example?

Go watch mainstream TV. Particularly Sunrise and Today

** Don't bother retorting that if I don't like it then don't watch. It's there and it happens continuously.

If this thread still runs I'll post all the articles that appear in the mainstream papers.

There is a difference between feminism, and idiots with opinions. And there are plenty of idiots with opinions who write media articles.

It doesn't matter who writes it and whether it's an opinion piece. It's there and it's constant and people are being influenced.

Feminism isn't stating that all men are evil, that's offshoots and extremists who do more damage than good.

There's no hard and fast definition. I tend to discount that feminism = equalisation for the following reasons:

1. If it was the same as equalisation then they would have never called in feminism.
2. When have you ever seen a feminist speak up when men are getting the short straw?

So clearly for me, feminism is about women trying to push their own agenda regardless if it's reasonable or not (sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't)

Post 139.


So... your point is... that a woman should not expect to not be hit on?
That they should expect it and accept it?

If this isn't what you're saying, humour me and dumb it down.

Very close. Sort of got it, and I think you get it, but what you wrote can easily be interpreted how you were previously interpreting it.

Have a read of this article:

http://man.bodyandsoul.com.au/sex+d...he+top+10+worst+places+to+pick+up+women,31923

Essentially what we have is women (I use plural because although 1 woman wrote this article, similar complaints are constantly voiced in our mainstream media) saying "how dare men think they can just try and chat us up". This is different to "it's a pain being a woman getting guys hit on you all the time". In fact, it's very different.

The problem:

Women are saying "you can pick me up at the beach if you're George Clooney, but if you're an avergae guy I'm not interested in, how dare you even consider it"

Do you not see the problem? And I'm not asking if it bothers you or not, I'm asking if you can see the double standard and the absurdity of such a view on men.

Because people will write articles complaining about nothing. It's what the media does.

I agree, but this is a common thread.

If it's not

"men can't hit on us unless we are interested" it's
"why do men treat us as sexual objects" or
"men are to blame for people like Myley Cyrus acting like a little sexualised tramp even though 99% of record sales are from young girls" or
"Why don't the women's cricket team get paid the same as the men's cricket team" or
"that Roxy ad with Steph Gilmore is made by men for men" or
"women who do pr0n are exploited by men and it's disgraceful" or
"why can't I as woman, be on TV and not be judged over my looks" or
"such and such hotel has a schnitz and **** night, men are pigs" or
"women make up 5% of the boardroom and even though that's because most women choose to have kids, we still want 50% representation" or
"I want kids and a career but can't so it's men's fault" etc

And then there's the ads on TV that depict men as idiotic buffoons (this doesn't bother me as much but it is noticeable)

Some are just out and out moronic and some are unbelievably double standard.

I could sit here for the next 6 months and record everything I see but at the end of the day, If you want to believe it's not front and centre every day in mainstream media then you're choosing not to see what is there.

 

[John Dawh]

That's pretty standard "it's women's fault for being attractive" bullshit. What the **** are they meant to do?

I don't think that so I doubt I said that. Can you quote me where I said that?

You're just embarassing yourself by fabricating quotes.

 

[J_Moore]

Feminists fantasize that by lecturing you about made-up horseshit theories like "**** shaming," "fat shaming" "rape culture" and "patriarchal oppression" they can remodel the sexual market to suit their every emotional whim, while restricting yours to the full extent of the femcampaigner law.

Does that make sense in your head?

 

[J_Moore]

I didn't fabricate a single quote. I don't think you know what a quote is.

 

[PAdman]

Women. Do. Not. Owe. You. Shit.

Why is it the SJWs who never get laid that post shit like this?

 

[J_Moore]

Apologies, by the way, for slapping that big URL on you. Bigfooty doesn't want me to post images anymore - they keep turning up as blank boxes - not even the [x] kind, either. It's a conspiracy, I tells ya...

I've been getting the same thing, along with a few other people. Come on Chief . I paid for platinum membership once.

 

[John Dawh]

I didn't fabricate a single quote. I don't think you know what a quote is.

You took creative license with interpreting what I said. I said what I said and stand by it. But what I said doesn't mean what you claim it means. I've been posting for sometime now and you would have a clear understanding of what my stance is and what my stance isn't. You only know too well my stance isn't what you claim it is.