Beauty & Style Cat calling?

[Geelong_Sicko]

Thanks for the pick up advice but I'm right for that.
That's all nice a simple in theory yet so many guys get it wrong. I know some guys are stupid, but I think you're expecting way too much. If men had to wait until they get they obvious signal then we may as well pack it all in, turn the tables, and have women pick us up and propose to us.
I assume you have had the off knock back like the rest of us, right? So ask yourself why you got it wrong?
And how many times have you heard women say "I just can't get this guy to notice I'm interested". There's a broad range in female behavior. What's showing interest from one, it being friendly and polite but not interested in another.
Unless we're Brad Pitt, let's not bullshit ourselves that reading the play is easy.

Yeah, it really isn't easy. I've been dumb before. Mis-read signals, ignored what seemed later to be bleedingly obvious, all that shit. It's a frustration on the night, but it's all fun and games really. You're either in or you're out.

Sorry if I went overboard on the pick-up advice and ending up sounding like a condescending f*ck. I was just responding to the 'mind-reading' bit.

 

[John Dawh]

Yeah, it really isn't easy. I've been dumb before. Mis-read signals, ignored what seemed later to be bleedingly obvious, all that shit. It's a frustration on the night, but it's all fun and games really. You're either in or you're out.

Sorry if I went overboard on the pick-up advice and ending up sounding like a condescending ****. I was just responding to the 'mind-reading' bit.

I didn't interpret it as necessarily condescending but let's be realistic here:

It's not easy to get it right. I've had girls give me come to bed with me eyes and got knocked back. Then there's other girls that I have found out later who liked me and I never knew.

As I said, a lot of girls are polite and friendly but not interested. It's easy for guys to misinterpret. No harm done. Girls gives knockback. Guy moves on. But feminists keep espousing that men have no place approaching women if they're not interested. This is stupid, I keep hearing it said, and it shits me.

 

[Gran Torana]

'Some' pathetic people in this thread going waaaaaay over the top. FFS you're acting like cat calling is near on rape. Just relax, each to their own. I'm reasonably sure if a women is cat called and doesn't like it, she doesn't seek thoeapy. Most women I know are very thick skinned, would brush it off and if had half the chance they would take the piss out of their pick up methods.

 

[Caesar]

You seem to think there must be some sort of underlying hatred of women or some sort of rejection or resentment problem with women.

I didn't say that. If you're really that interested in what I think, I suspect it's mostly just a byproduct of your self-centered worldview.

Every time an issue of gender inequity affecting women is raised your response is to attack the credibility of the woman/women raising it, and divert the discussion into a criticism of those women or women in general. It doesn't really matter what your motives are, because your actions speak for themselves.

If, as you say, you do not hate or resent women - you may wish to reconsider undermining every attempt women make to discuss serious issues that affect them. Just a thought.

 

[John Dawh]

Every time an issue of gender inequity affecting women is raised your response is to attack the credibility of the woman/women raising it,

What? Any chance you can quote some of these posts where I have attacked the credibility of a woman.

That's pretty ordinary claim from someone who's a mod. You're a liar. Prove me wrong.

and divert the discussion into a criticism of those women or women in general. It doesn't really matter what your motives are, because your actions speak for themselves.

If, as you say, you do not hate or resent women - you may wish to reconsider undermining every attempt women make to discuss serious issues that affect them. Just a thought.

What serious issues? Cat calling? Give me a break. here's a summary of a thread on cat calling:

Cat calling is wrong
No shit
I agree too
So do I
It's inappropriate
I agree
Does anyone think it's okay?
Nope
Guess we all agree and we're done and dusted.


Any other serious issues women attempt to make that I have undermined?

I notice you have gone in for a whole heap of generalisation s with absolutely nothing to back it up. You do know I have posted a whole heap of posts on this thread yet you haven't bothered pointing out where one thing I have said is unreasonable. You really do have little credibility.

Oh, and guess what? I've made it clear I'm not happy with the overt feminism going on in mainstream society. That's why you often see me speaking out on it. You seem to be happy to criticise me for doing this yet all the things I say - you don't challenge me on. Why is that? Could it be my posts are reasonable and well argued and you're just another bloke who runs with the pack and is to scared to stand up for what is reasonable?

It's about time you backed up your claims and posted the posts you claim I make. Come at me. Expose me.

 

[John Dawh]

Every time an issue of gender inequity affecting women is raised your response is to attack the credibility of the woman/women raising it,

Here's what I said about Lisa Wilkinson in this very thread:

I don't mind Lisa Wilkinson and consider her quite balanced and reasonable so was disappointed when she blamed men for the whole womanhood thing about pressure to look and dress good.

Caesar credibility = 0.

 

[Caesar]

You're welcome to go back and look at your own posts if you want to see the pattern I am alluding to. I've got no particular interest in squabbling with your delusions. I merely bring your attention to it in case you would like to educate yourself about your own behaviour.

If not, so be it. One more bitter MRA mashing his keyboard on the internet is neither here nor there.

 

[Papa Juggs]

To save people the google it's "Men's Rights Activist".

 

[John Dawh]

You're welcome to go back and look at your own posts if you want to see the pattern I am alluding to. I've got no particular interest in squabbling with your delusions. I merely bring your attention to it in case you would like to educate yourself about your own behaviour.

If not, so be it. One more bitter MRA mashing his keyboard on the internet is neither here nor there.

If fabricating lies to give the perception to others that it's true is your way of communicating on an internet forum then I feel sorry for you.

I didn't think you'd be able to back up your claims.

 

[John Dawh]

To save people the google it's "Men's Rights Activist".

I was about to Google it myself as I'm not across it. Looks like I have been accused of being an MRA even though I've never made 1 single post on BF that would suggest I'm an MRA.

MRA are lame. Not as bad as feminism given the latter is way more prevalent and way more delusional, but lame all the same.

So far ITT I have been accused of:

Claiming women deserve to be cat called or harassed if they dress sexually
Being a dinosaur for stating that the social norm is for men to ask out/hot on/propose to women rather than the other way around
Had it insinuated that I'm some sort of loser who gets continually rejected by women
Accused of saying cat calling is okay (I said the opposite early on and repeated it a few times)
Accused of thinking women owe me something
Accused of thinking that women don't have the right to reject men
Accused of attacking any woman who wants equality
Harassed by a mod for regularly making an opinion on this topic (we all have our pet topics yet this one for some reason is taboo)
Accused of being an MRA (I haven't once said, in 30k+ posts on BF that men get a raw deal)



Then there's the guy who thinks men shouldn't approach women except for at bars and other specific "zones"

And then there's the guy who gave me pick up tips and implied that men should just know when a woman wants to be approached and that there's no real reason a guys should misinterpret a female's intentions

And let's not forget the peanut who tried to go viral on Twitter and then realised all his assumption on my views were wrong so he slowly crept off with his tail between his legs.

And then the bunch of heroes who came in with the group bully campaign they are known for using on other boards.

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Some of the guys posting on this thread should have a good hard look at themselves. No wonder there's an overt feminism movement going on right now - because if any guy dares question anything, you guys waltz in and start accusing them of being victim blamers, misogynists, sexual discriminators, and anti- equalisation.

You ordinary bunch of campaigners. I've had a ton of PMs come in providing support. These people can be forgiven saying anything given the treatment they will get from other men. There's some very misguided men in this thread.

 

[Floor Pie]

I was about to Google it myself as I'm not across it. Looks like I have been accused of being an MRA even though I've never made 1 single post on BF that would suggest I'm an MRA.

MRA are lame. Not as bad as feminism given the latter is way more prevalent and way more delusional, but lame all the same.

So far ITT I have been accused of:

Claiming women deserve to be cat called or harassed if they dress sexually
Being a dinosaur for stating that the social norm is for men to ask out/hot on/propose to women rather than the other way around
Had it insinuated that I'm some sort of loser who gets continually rejected by women
Accused of saying cat calling is okay (I said the opposite early on and repeated it a few times)
Accused of thinking women owe me something
Accused of thinking that women don't have the right to reject men
Accused of attacking any woman who wants equality
Harassed by a mod for regularly making an opinion on this topic (we all have our pet topics yet this one for some reason is taboo)
Accused of being an MRA (I haven't once said, in 30k+ posts on BF that men get a raw deal)



Then there's the guy who thinks men shouldn't approach women except for at bars and other specific "zones"

And then there's the guy who gave me pick up tips and implied that men should just know when a woman wants to be approached and that there's no real reason a guys should misinterpret a female's intentions

And let's not forget the peanut who tried to go viral on Twitter and then realised all his assumption on my views were wrong so he slowly crept off with his tail between his legs.

And then the bunch of heroes who came in with the group bully campaign they are known for using on other boards.

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Some of the guys posting on this thread should have a good hard look at themselves. No wonder there's an overt feminism movement going on right now - because if any guy dares question anything, you guys waltz in and start accusing them of being victim blamers, misogynists, sexual discriminators, and anti- equalisation.

You ordinary bunch of campaigners. I've had a ton of PMs come in providing support. These people can be forgiven saying anything given the treatment they will get from other men. There's some very misguided men in this thread.

Simmer down now.

Just make a thread about yourself, and post in that one.
Threads don't need to be about you and your victim complex.


Also, I laughed at this part: "I've had a ton of PMs come in providing support.".

 

[John Dawh]

Simmer down now.

Just make a thread about yourself, and post in that one.
Threads don't need to be about you and your victim complex.


Also, I laughed at this part: "I've had a ton of PMs come in providing support.".

Here you go with your lame group bullying again. You claim you're not a group but another poster called you the pack of hyenas you are and now at least 2 of you have a hyena for an avatar.

And before you trot out your victim line, I don't have a problem going up against you bully boys. My point is to simply point out what you guys are doing. Generally when people realise they're group bullying they pull their heads in a bit. You guys are obviously quite happy with it. Says a lot more about you than me.

Good luck with your next "victim". I hope you get a real weak one.

 

[Floor Pie]

Here you go with your lame group bullying again. You claim you're not a group but another poster called you the pack of hyenas you are and now at least 2 of you have a hyena for an avatar.

And before you trot out your victim line, I don't have a problem going up against you bully boys. My point is to simply point out what you guys are doing. Generally when people realise they're group bullying they pull their heads in a bit. You guys are obviously quite happy with it. Says a lot more about you than me.

Good luck with your next "victim". I hope you get a real weak one.

You really didn't get it?

I'll explain.
A poster called a few of us a pack of hyenas.
Some of us thought it was funny, and embraced the joke.

I wouldn't lean on it as damning evidence...

And I never claimed I wasn't a group! I definitely am, and I work bloody hard! It's not easy running a bully group, I put a lot of time and effort into it.
I spend every waking second, scouring the internet for people who say stupid things, and then I set off the bat signal so we can all collectively mock the idiot.


There is no way that your aggressive and over the top posting style, could possibly make some people react in similar ways! It's definitely a conspiracy!

You are playing the victim card. I am pointing out that you are ruining the thread, again, by making it all about you. And you respond with saying that everyone is picking on you.



This isn't some battle that splits the bigfooty community... It's just me, asking you, to stop making the thread all about yourself.
And I'm poking fun at you as well, because you aren't able to have a mature and balanced discussion.
Geelong_Sicko is one of the most level posters on bigfooty, and you took his post as a personal attack, and chucked it into your list of sads.

 

[John Dawh]

Blah blah blah, I'm not a bully but sort of am a bully blah blah blah You're making this thread about you even though me and my idot mates re attempting to hijack it for a second time blah blah blah

Geelong_Sicko is one of the most level posters on bigfooty, and you took his post as a personal attack, and chucked it into your list of sads.

Not sure where I said it was a personal attack? Said poster tried to claim men shouldn't misinterpret women's interest, or lack of. Here's the transcript:

In most social settings body language is key. A look is key. You initially look at a girl. Does she smile? Is her face looking like its carved out of ice? How they look at you is often your first green (or red) light as to whether you should bother or not.

And this is universal. Across the sexes. You smile at a girl and she'll smile back and approach. You do the same.

If a girl stalks around with a sour look on her face I don't bother - even if she's gorgeous.

Don't concentrate on reading minds, Bunsen. Read looks. Read body language. Interpret their intent that way.

Thanks for the pick up advice but I'm right for that.
That's all nice a simple in theory yet so many guys get it wrong. I know some guys are stupid, but I think you're expecting way too much. If men had to wait until they get they obvious signal then we may as well pack it all in, turn the tables, and have women pick us up and propose to us.
I assume you have had the off knock back like the rest of us, right? So ask yourself why you got it wrong?
And how many times have you heard women say "I just can't get this guy to notice I'm interested". There's a broad range in female behavior. What's showing interest from one, it being friendly and polite but not interested in another.
Unless we're Brad Pitt, let's not bullshit ourselves that reading the play is easy.

Yeah, it really isn't easy. I've been dumb before. Mis-read signals, ignored what seemed later to be bleedingly obvious, all that shit. It's a frustration on the night, but it's all fun and games really. You're either in or you're out.

Sorry if I went overboard on the pick-up advice and ending up sounding like a condescending ****. I was just responding to the 'mind-reading' bit.

I didn't interpret it as necessarily condescending but let's be realistic here:

It's not easy to get it right. I've had girls give me come to bed with me eyes and got knocked back. Then there's other girls that I have found out later who liked me and I never knew.

As I said, a lot of girls are polite and friendly but not interested. It's easy for guys to misinterpret. No harm done. Girls gives knockback. Guy moves on. But feminists keep espousing that men have no place approaching women if they're not interested. This is stupid, I keep hearing it said, and it shits me.

He did what I said he did. Nothing to do with being a victim. Just an example how some men lose their shit and start spouting irrational stuff as soon as some one dare questions the feminism that is being forced down our throats. But congrats for trying to convince people it's some sort of meltdown or victim crying.

 

[Floor Pie]

List of misrepresentations and playing the victim.

And then there's the guy who gave me pick up tips and implied that men should just know when a woman wants to be approached and that there's no real reason a guys should misinterpret a female's intentions


I'm a victim, stop picking on me.

So, that wasn't about GS? Bad assumption on my side.

What was this thread about?

 

[John Dawh]

So, that wasn't about GS? Bad assumption on my side.

What was this thread about?

Pretty sure I said it was about him. So yes, a bad assumption, not just the bad assumption that you think.

 

[Floor Pie]

Pretty sure I said it was about him. So yes, a bad assumption, not just the bad assumption that you think.

Ah, cool. So I was right!

You had a list of sads, and included him as an example, in it.

Why don't you start a thread on whatever it is you want to talk about?
Because all you want to do in this thread, is play the victim.