Review Cats drown Hawks by 36 points in Tommas 350

[kickazz]

Ginnivan takes it to another level by trying to lock the tacklers arm around his neck with his off hand.

On at least one occasion he actually grabbed the arm and put it there.

Not a footballer

 

[CatToTheFuture]

He did. I rewatched the match. Bruhn had 1/3 of the game on the bench, just under 1/3 on Newcombe, just under 1/3 on Nash and maybe 1/50 on Worpel (about a minute and a half).

We tried to roll Atkins (mostly), Clark (sometimes) and Parfitt (occasionally) onto Worpel. A bit of Holmes and Bowes in the last term. Worpel was great but it's hard to really complain about the collective efforts of our undermanned midfield. We made it scrappy enough that our wingmen and flankers could dominate after stoppages.

Makes sense, they want Bruhn on the attack and Parfitt and Atkins are better at defensive work.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Noticed Tanner made himself a option quiet alot but wasn't used ..

 

[Back One Out]

Ginnivan takes it to another level by trying to lock the tacklers arm around his neck with his off hand.

He’s just trying to sHRug tHe tACkLe.

 

[Gazza Greatness]

He wasn't on his own there... The entire list of smalls in the Hawk fwd line seemed to have instructions almost to flop, dive and try draw frees... Particularly in the last quarter

There was one play in the 2nd half Willo: when a Hawks player (not a small) thought a Cats player was right on his back and he half dived forward but there was no Cat player there and he looked like a total dickhead as it was so obvious to what he had done but yeah it's very clear the Hawk smalls have been 'taught and instructed' to flop, dive, etc to try to draw free kicks, especially in the last quarter when the rain came tumbling down, thankfully the umpires overall have been great at not falling for it and NOT paying a free kick. Unfortunately with Ginnivan, he just takes staging for a free kick to another level, I think the only time Ginnivan has his right hand/arm on the footy is when he kicks for goal, otherwise he just 'continually' raises his right arm underneath the oncoming tackers arm to get a cheap free kick.

 

[Vivy]

Yeah what utter crap.

Very s**t from Mitchell too. Good coaches focus on and teach players to focus on things they can control, not blaming others.

Mitchell barely gave it air. Even said if you're playing for them you don't deserve them.

 

[#6 Thorp #7 Selwood LOL]

He’s just trying to sHRug tHe tACkLe.

Mm yes very insightful contribution.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Mm yes very insightful contribution.

Feels like some Feelings have been hurt here. Some emotional moments

 

[Back One Out]

Feels like some Feelings have been hurt here. Some emotional moments

Nah, not in the slightest

I just find it funny seeing all hatred from Geelong fans directed towards Ginnivan for trying to milk high free kicks using the time-honoured Selwood "Shrug" manoeuvre. Took me by surprise actually, hearing all the boos whenever he went near the ball in the 1st half. The Cats fans in my section had a real boner about it. I briefly wondered if there was some history there from a previous Geelong v Collingwood game.

Then I remembered he's a detestable flog who constantly plays for free kicks. I hated him at Collingwood. I hated that we traded for him. But to my surprise, he actually showed that he can really play during the pre-season praccy games and in Rounds 1 & 2. I changed my mind about him: he's a good player with more strings to his bow than the shitty free kick milking.

Unfortunately, he reverted to his embarrassing ways on Monday. Why the hell he decided to continue staging for free kicks when we were 6-7 goals down, I will never know. He doesn't seem to learn (after numerous unsuccessful attempts within a game) that the umpires are not gonna fall for his tricks, yet he keeps doing it...

If he's gonna do that crap, then at least save it for a one-off when we're a goal down with 10 minutes to go. Make it count.

If Ginnivan continues to embarrass himself (and the jumper) by faking for frees like a little bitch, then I will join in the booing.
I can't stand it. It's one of the worst things about modern AFL footy. It makes me switch off or change channels. Literally. When umps fall for that crap during the 1st or 2nd quarter of a neutral Thursday or Friday night game, I often tune out in disgust and watch an NHL replay instead.


PS. Ginnivan doesn't even get rewarded for his staging attempts, which makes it all the more cringeworthy for me as a Hawks fan. But just imagine for one sec how much more you guys would hate him if he was actually rewarded with frees at the same that Selwood was for over a decade. You guys made all sort of excuses for him, but when it's a player from another club, you hate it as much as everyone else.

 

[Munich]

Nah, not in the slightest

I just find it funny seeing all hatred from Geelong fans directed towards Ginnivan for trying to milk high free kicks using the time-honoured Selwood "Shrug" manoeuvre. Took me by surprise actually, hearing all the boos whenever he went near the ball in the 1st half. The Cats fans in my section had a real boner about it. I briefly wondered if there was some history there from a previous Geelong v Collingwood game.

Then I remembered he's a detestable flog who constantly plays for free kicks. I hated him at Collingwood. I hated that we traded for him. But to my surprise, he actually showed that he can really play during the pre-season pricey games and in Rounds 1 & 2. I changed my mind about him: he's a good player with more strings to his bow than the shitty free kick milking.

Unfortunately, he reverted to his embarrassing ways on Monday. Why the hell he decided to continue staging for free kicks when we were 6-7 goals down, I will never know. He doesn't seem to learn (after numerous unsuccessful attempts within a game) that the umpires are not gonna fall for his tricks, yet he keeps doing it...

If he's gonna do that crap, then at least save it for a one-off when we're a goal down with 10 minutes to go. Make it count.

If Ginnivan continues to embarrass himself (and the jumper) by faking for frees like a little bitch, then I will join in the booing.
I can't stand it. It's one of the worst things about modern AFL footy. It makes me switch off or change channels. Literally. When umps fall for that crap during the 1st or 2nd quarter of a neutral Thursday or Friday game, I often tune out in disgust and watch an NHL replay instead.


PS. Ginnivan doesn't even get rewarded for his staging attempts, which makes it all the more cringeworthy for me as a Hawk fan. But just imagine for one sec how much more you guys would hate him if he was actually rewarded with frees at the same that Selwood was for over a decade. You guys made all sort of excuses for him, but when it's a player from another club, you hate it as much as everyone else.

Selwood went hard at the ball 100% of the time, put his body on the line more than any other player, willed us over the line time and time again.

Please don't try to compare him to that flopping flog Ginnivan. It's embarrassing.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Nah, not in the slightest

I just find it funny seeing all hatred from Geelong fans directed towards Ginnivan for trying to milk high free kicks using the time-honoured Selwood "Shrug" manoeuvre. Took me by surprise actually, hearing all the boos whenever he went near the ball in the 1st half. I wondered if there was some history there from a previous Geelong v Collingwood game.

Then I remembered he's a detestable flog who plays for free kicks. I hated him at Collingwood. I hated that we traded for him. But to my surprise, he actually showed that he can really play during pre-season and Rounds 1 & 2. I changed my mind about him: he's a good player with more strings to his bow than the shitty free kick milking.

Unfortunately, he reverted to his embarrassing ways on Monday. Why the hell he decided to continue staging for free kicks when we were 6-7 goals down, I will never know. He doesn't seem to learn (after numerous unsuccessful attempts within a game) that the umpires are not gonna fall for his tricks, yet he keeps doing it...

If he's gonna do that crap, then at least save it for a one-off when we're a goal down with 10 minutes to go. Make it count.

If Ginnivan continues to embarrass himself (and the jumper) by faking for frees like a little bitch, then I will join in the booing.
I can't stand it. It's one of the worst things about modern AFL footy. It makes me switch off or change channels.


PS. Ginnivan doesn't even get rewarded for his staging attempts, which makes it all the more cringeworthy for me as a Hawk fan. But just imagine for one sec how much more you guys would hate him if he was actually rewarded with frees at the same that Selwood was for over a decade.

I can appreciate that people probably feel a bit of irony at it. I don’t think Selwood should even be mentioned in the same sentence but we won't agree on it so let's not bother.

With ginnivan, it's kind of funny because he just a genuinely takes a dive, he just darts sideways. Like, what does he expect?

 

[Back One Out]

Selwood went hard at the ball 100% of the time, put his body on the line more than any other player, willed us over the line time and time again.

Please don't try to compare him to that flopping flog Ginnivan. It's embarrassing.

Yeah, I KNEW this would be the reply

I never compared Ginnivan and Selwood as footballers. OBVIOUSLY, they are light years apart. Selwood was one of the all time greats. Ginnivan is a young inconsistent small forward who hasn't even played 50 games.

I simply pointed out that Ginnivan uses the same method that Selwood employed hundreds of times over his career of hooking the tackler's arm up over his shoulder in order to stooge the umpire into giving him an illegitimate high tackle free.

I think it's really funny that people are so vocal about booing a 21yo flog who has played just 45 games and gets ZERO favours from the umps.

Kevin Bartlett, Matthew Lloyd and Joel Selwood were 3 greats of game who made a very nice side-hustle of milking free kicks - lots and lots and lots of free kicks - which is the reason why opposition fans were so infuriated by them and booed & heckled them every time they milked another free.

BTW, I'm not sooking about Ginnivan being booed. He deserves it. He brings on it himself with his "look at me" antics and appearance. He's a bit of a lairy showman and a villain.

I also think AFL fans have the right to boo whoever they want, whenever they want. It's all good theatre. Mostly fun. Nothing to shed tears over, FFS. It really pisses me off when tossers in the media act all high and mighty about fans booing. Those arseholes don't pay a cent to get in. They are parasites. The fans are the lifeblood of AFL footy. They are the reason why the media stars and the players get to live their privileged lives. /rant

Anyway, that's enough from me on Jack f**kin Ginnivan. There is way too much focus on him.



Good win on Monday. Looks like the Cats are right in the mix for yet another Top 4 finish. God damn it... You guys never let up. Just when I thought this era was finally over after the dismal 2023 season, you rebound back into flag calculations. Amazing!

I envy Geelong's superior recruiting and player development. Your players just seem to be more composed and way smarter than our players across the board. They make good decisions and and they make the game look easy.

 

[Mr Meow]

Nah, not in the slightest

I just find it funny seeing all hatred from Geelong fans directed towards Ginnivan for trying to milk high free kicks using the time-honoured Selwood "Shrug" manoeuvre. Took me by surprise actually, hearing all the boos whenever he went near the ball in the 1st half. The Cats fans in my section had a real boner about it. I briefly wondered if there was some history there from a previous Geelong v Collingwood game.

Then I remembered he's a detestable flog who constantly plays for free kicks. I hated him at Collingwood. I hated that we traded for him. But to my surprise, he actually showed that he can really play during the pre-season praccy games and in Rounds 1 & 2. I changed my mind about him: he's a good player with more strings to his bow than the shitty free kick milking.

Unfortunately, he reverted to his embarrassing ways on Monday. Why the hell he decided to continue staging for free kicks when we were 6-7 goals down, I will never know. He doesn't seem to learn (after numerous unsuccessful attempts within a game) that the umpires are not gonna fall for his tricks, yet he keeps doing it...

If he's gonna do that crap, then at least save it for a one-off when we're a goal down with 10 minutes to go. Make it count.

If Ginnivan continues to embarrass himself (and the jumper) by faking for frees like a little bitch, then I will join in the booing.
I can't stand it. It's one of the worst things about modern AFL footy. It makes me switch off or change channels. Literally. When umps fall for that crap during the 1st or 2nd quarter of a neutral Thursday or Friday night game, I often tune out in disgust and watch an NHL replay instead.


PS. Ginnivan doesn't even get rewarded for his staging attempts, which makes it all the more cringeworthy for me as a Hawks fan. But just imagine for one sec how much more you guys would hate him if he was actually rewarded with frees at the same that Selwood was for over a decade. You guys made all sort of excuses for him, but when it's a player from another club, you hate it as much as everyone else.

Mate it's not hatred at all. If he got given those frees, so be it. He didn't so why would we even have the smallest reason to be mad? That's pure projection. I didn't even hear any booing of Ginnivan on Monday, which differs to some of the crowd responses he has gotten.

We've been happy to offer thoughts on how the Ginnivan "flop and arm tuck" compares to the Selwood "shrug". There's not too much emotion about it. A smart player adapts to the rules and adjudications or they go the way of late career Lyndsay Thomas.

Ginnivan has plenty of time to adapt.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Mitchell barely gave it air. Even said if you're playing for them you don't deserve them.

Those are incredible comments by Mitchell. He literally names Sicily, Ginnivan and now Watson as having played for free kicks and says they have to "play the right way" if they want to be awarded the free kicks they deserve "in time".

Clearly he's not happy with the staging!

 

[Finknottle]

Feels like some Feelings have been hurt here. Some emotional moments

Yep I think people should get over it. Players have been milking frees for as long as I can remember. It's hardly a federal crime.

 

[Lana]

Those are incredible comments by Mitchell. He literally names Sicily, Ginnivan and now Watson as having played for free kicks and says they have to "play the right way" if they want to be awarded the free kicks they deserve "in time".

Clearly he's not happy with the staging!

Throws his captain under the bus... showing the expert leadership that got him thrown out of the captaincy

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Throws his captain under the bus... showing the expert leadership that got him thrown out of the captaincy

It's a real hard spot to be answering the question there. I think this went to air not long after the game and looks ad libbed. Just a genuine reflection on the conversation he'll have with his players

 

[standupand]

I also think AFL fans have the right to boo whoever they want, whenever they want. It's all good theatre. Mostly fun.

No. Booing drove one of the best and fairest players of our game to quit. It wasn't fun. It wasn't good theatre.

 

[Mr Meow]

No. Booing drove one of the best and fairest players of our game to quit. It wasn't fun. It wasn't good theatre.

I just don't get booing.

A groan at an umpire repeatedly making harsh decisions against you - sure. We all know that collective groan.

Opposition players? A sigh or an eye roll if they do something brilliant, or a jeer if they stuff up - yep, human nature.

But to actually open your mouth and go "Boooooo!" or reel off obscenities? You need to find another hobby, and perhaps should seek therapy.

 

[catswhiskers]

I like the ironic cheer.

Playing away from our home ground in front of hostile to split crowds so often we don't get to affirm the umpires decisions as much as other clubs.

So when I get the chance at home ,
if free kick differentials see us well in the negatives after a solid run of frees against or non paid frees, an around the ground ironic cheer , even small in number, reminds the umps there are two teams playing.

Booing? reserved for the Ump who continues his/her persecution, after an ironic.

On SM-G930U using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Zouz Kitty]

I noticed that, too! I was thinking to myself, "he didn't just... shoosh the crowd, did he?"

What’s the shoosh meant to mean? Baffles me + looks dumb.

 

[Zouz Kitty]

Good win, but uneven performance.

5 day break, and a wet slog in the last quarter are a bit of a worry. Plus some niggles. Be interesting to see how Jezza's ankle recovers.

Looks like Mitchell continues to do the Clarkson "unsociable Hawks" thing. They don't have the players to back it up though, may be a long year for them. If he coached them to concentrate on playing the ball and not diving, pushing etc. results may be better?

He was always an absolute pr**k

 

[Zouz Kitty]

I thought the umpiring and commentary around Ginnivan this game was really interesting. Prior to the final quarter, there was plenty of talk by commentators about how he is treated differently, unfairly.

The interesting part for me was how in the last part of the final quarter the commentators - confronted with a Ginnivan who kept diving, kept leaning, kept lifting his arm - completely changed their tune saying things like: 'well, I don't know what to think about it'.

The fact is, that's exactly what the umpires are faced with. And I feel for them. Players who dive put them in a difficult position: give a free where it may not be justified and give away a goal or let play go on and risk missing a free kick. I can see why they've been instructed to do the latter and I think most fans of all teams would support that approach in general: if in doubt, don't blow the whistle.

The truth is, it's hard not to be biased (how many Hawks supporters would have backed Ginnivan in prior years? I'd say it'd be close to zero). And with all honesty, I can see how many here would be pissed if this was Close or Stengle or Miers (granted, they don't duck, but admit that most of us would have a bias towards our own players). But looking at it from the umpires' point of view: this is surely the hardest game in the world to adjudicate, and players who try to milk free kicks make that job harder, and they have nobody to blame but themselves if they miss out on the occasional genuine free because of their own muddying of the waters.

Terrific post, nailed it

 

[Zouz Kitty]

I can’t believe the AFL is apologising to the Hawks about that diving flog “treatment”

WHAT!!! ???
Tell me more!

 

[Lana]

It's a real hard spot to be answering the question there. I think this went to air not long after the game and looks ad libbed. Just a genuine reflection on the conversation he'll have with his players

It was amateur hour. At worst that was a real support in public, criticise in private moment (Game just ended, haven't reviewed the tapes, instruct our players to play hard football, we'll seek clarification from the AFL). Instead he publicly supported the idea that three of his players including his captain and a third gamer actively play for free kicks, where as a leader he should be trying to is insulate his team from outside pressure rather than add to it.