I haven't really seen nasty comments, just a logical acknowledgement that his defensive 1v1 ability right now is limited and so we are vulnerable with some of his match ups. A lot of young/raw defenders are like this. We probably can't carry him into important 1v1 roles in finals unless we absolutely have to though. It's a shame that Kolo is having a horror injury issue.
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Autopsy Cats lose to GWS* AFL trust fund babies by 26 points.
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Well the cheese sure slid off the cracker with those dumb arse moves.
What were they intending to achieve by kicking to space - where no one but GWS hung out?
Too many floaters, hanging back around the ball. I speak of Bowes, Dempsey, O Henry and others.
Displayed no guts or brains and allowed a good fast team to keep the wood on us.
Not blaming for loss, but umpiring was spatially challenged shite- give these DH's a pocket device that measures metres.
What were they intending to achieve by kicking to space - where no one but GWS hung out?
Too many floaters, hanging back around the ball. I speak of Bowes, Dempsey, O Henry and others.
Displayed no guts or brains and allowed a good fast team to keep the wood on us.
Not blaming for loss, but umpiring was spatially challenged shite- give these DH's a pocket device that measures metres.
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I haven't seen anyone potting COS. He's clearly going to be a star for many years.
Right now we are asking him to play on 200cm+ monster forwards each week and oppo teams seem to be playing through his man.
There is absolutely no shame if he needs a rest and to keep working on his strength and positioning in the VFL, especially as we have a premiership FB almost ready to return.
Lol Scott overruling medicos. no better more disrespectful behavior towards very highly trained professionals
This game reminded me a lot of the mid-year game v the swans from last year. We absolutely jumped them early and then inexplicably just switched off. None of our good players played well. None of our leaders looked to show the way in a game that had a lot at stake, at least for us supporters. Hate having a team like them having the wood over us.
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Every now and then we throw in a midfield shocker. Tonight was the same recipe. When Holmes is quiet we struggle.
I thought they’d throw Blicavs back given O’Sullivan was haemorrhaging. We still give up big scores to teams who don’t kick big scores against anyone else. Ultimately that will be our undoing in 2025.
Neale the only shining light and even he had a shocker of a patch in the game.
I thought they’d throw Blicavs back given O’Sullivan was haemorrhaging. We still give up big scores to teams who don’t kick big scores against anyone else. Ultimately that will be our undoing in 2025.
Neale the only shining light and even he had a shocker of a patch in the game.
They probably had to play him after last week but he looked way out of his depth.
Its really a toss up as to whether any of Steven’s Knevitt Clohesy Clark remain at the club longer term.
Sorry are you calling me shit for brains? No need for the personal stuff here, that's not on.
I thought it was a fair comment, of course he is still developing and does good things but I think defensively it is a fair gap we have there this year.
1. Rhys Stanley - Not a great game today. Briggs was just too big and strong. Expect him to bounce back well next week though.
3. Bailey Smith - Racked up the touches yet again, but crap disposal efficiency and refusal to be accountable running the other way let him down. I reckon he's too proud to let that happen two weeks in a row though, and we'll see him back to his ferocious best again.
5. Jeremy Cameron- One goal and a couple of costly misses, he was clearly playing injured today and it showed. He's another one that will be better next week. Because I don't see him getting any worse.
7. Shaun Mannagh - A bit quiet, but worked hard all day as usual. He was maybe the only small forward on the ground for us who gave the Giants' any sort of trouble. We need Tyson Stengle back pronto.
9. Max Holmes- Definitely lowered his colours today. It was probably the worst he's played all year. Aside from a few really nice tackles and a long bomb goal that Danger garciously shepherded through, we got almost nothing from him today.
12. Jack Bowes - He was pretty good last week, but couldn't really get near the footy today. He's just a very vanilla player. It took me a while to realise who he reminds me of, and now I've got it. He's often just another James Parsons. Remember that guy? No? Exactly. Can kick a goal or three now and then, but very very vanilla.
14. Connor O'Sullivan - With the ball use the GWS talls were getting all day, he was always going to have a hard time. Made a few blues, a few moments of cruel bad luck, but he doesn't drop the head and his second half was a lot better than his first. Few players on our team can say that.
15. George Stevens - Complete letdown after his successful first game last week. What we need is someone who can lock the ball in and force a 2nd stoppage so we don't get burned on the 6-6-6, but couldn't provide that for us today. It's a bit hard marking a player in their 2nd game, and I'd still give him a run next week to show how he bounces back.
17. Lawson Humphries - I thought he was generally solid, except for a deplorable brain fade in the 3rd quarter.
19. Jack Martin - Complete cipher. Did nothing all day as far as I can see. All I remember of him is bumping O'Connor off the ball and letting Stringer get goalside of both of them.
28. Ollie Dempsey - He was actually one of our livelier players today. One of the few guys we had who looked dangerous going forward. I do wish he'd go a bit harder when it's his turn to compete for a hard ball get. Being watchful and using creativity with the bobbling ball is great when it works but you can't do that against GWS.
30. Tom Atkins - Another bundle of tackles and hard ball gets, and again one of our few players who did better in the 2nd half than the first. I thought he at least broke even on the day.
32. Gryan Miers - I think Zuth probably shaded him for our best player, but Gryan was clearly our most creative. We'd have been beaten by ten goals if not for his F50 disposals.
33. Shannon Neale - After two absolute bullshit frees against him in the space of a minute, he could have dropped his head and gone into his shell. But he ended up with 5.0 and, at the end of the day, had Aleer's measure. Beautiful set shot kick.
34. Oisin Mullin - I didn't mind his game today. What we served up today isn't something a tagger can fix. Low possession numbers, but he got involved in some nice disposal chains and reads the high ball pretty well in the air. He'll come good soon.
35. Patrick Dangerfield - It just wasn't his day today. He put in an absolute stinker, both as a player and as a captain, but he's got enough credits saved up that we shouldn't panic too much.
36. Ollie Henry - Odd as it may seem I thought he gave us more than Stevens. His influence was limited to a good hard ball get late in the 3rd quarter, a pretty creditable lead, mark, and goal, and a pretty blatant HTM that of course wasn't paid. Pass mark by default.
38. Jack Henry - Another guy who I thought played a good game under pretty unfavourable conditions. He reads the ball off the boot as well as anyone, stands under the ball unflinchingly with power forwards steaming at him, and regularly nullifies guys two inches taller. I wish we had another three of him.
39. Zach Guthrie - His last two games have been as good as I've seen him play. He's the one guy today for us, besides Neale, who I thought clearly won his position. Not only that, he stood up as captain in all but name when Dangerfield was floundering.
42. Mark O'Connor - I've been a fan of his all year, but not on that effort. Absolutely putrid. He'll probably get looked at for that unfortunate spoil attempt; no malice in it but it's probably borderline a fine or a week. Another bloke I back to be too proud to serve up that steaming manure pile two games in a row.
44. Tom Stewart - He's finding form again, just at the right time of the season. The ball accumulation is back, and so is the intercept marking. Among our best, no doubt.
45. Brad Close - Barely OK. Needed to win more of the footy, but when he did get it he was creative going inside 50, and that goal he kicked from the boundary was an absolute pearler.
46. Mark Blicavs - Blitz was among our best again. As 2nd ruck and tall defender he had his work cut out for him, but I thought Briggs was less effective opposed to Blicavs than Stanley, and in the midfield Blitz seemed to accumulate a lot of touches and compete well in the air. We win a lot more games than we lose when he plays like that and the trash we produced today had nothing to do with him.
3. Bailey Smith - Racked up the touches yet again, but crap disposal efficiency and refusal to be accountable running the other way let him down. I reckon he's too proud to let that happen two weeks in a row though, and we'll see him back to his ferocious best again.
5. Jeremy Cameron- One goal and a couple of costly misses, he was clearly playing injured today and it showed. He's another one that will be better next week. Because I don't see him getting any worse.
7. Shaun Mannagh - A bit quiet, but worked hard all day as usual. He was maybe the only small forward on the ground for us who gave the Giants' any sort of trouble. We need Tyson Stengle back pronto.
9. Max Holmes- Definitely lowered his colours today. It was probably the worst he's played all year. Aside from a few really nice tackles and a long bomb goal that Danger garciously shepherded through, we got almost nothing from him today.
12. Jack Bowes - He was pretty good last week, but couldn't really get near the footy today. He's just a very vanilla player. It took me a while to realise who he reminds me of, and now I've got it. He's often just another James Parsons. Remember that guy? No? Exactly. Can kick a goal or three now and then, but very very vanilla.
14. Connor O'Sullivan - With the ball use the GWS talls were getting all day, he was always going to have a hard time. Made a few blues, a few moments of cruel bad luck, but he doesn't drop the head and his second half was a lot better than his first. Few players on our team can say that.
15. George Stevens - Complete letdown after his successful first game last week. What we need is someone who can lock the ball in and force a 2nd stoppage so we don't get burned on the 6-6-6, but couldn't provide that for us today. It's a bit hard marking a player in their 2nd game, and I'd still give him a run next week to show how he bounces back.
17. Lawson Humphries - I thought he was generally solid, except for a deplorable brain fade in the 3rd quarter.
19. Jack Martin - Complete cipher. Did nothing all day as far as I can see. All I remember of him is bumping O'Connor off the ball and letting Stringer get goalside of both of them.
28. Ollie Dempsey - He was actually one of our livelier players today. One of the few guys we had who looked dangerous going forward. I do wish he'd go a bit harder when it's his turn to compete for a hard ball get. Being watchful and using creativity with the bobbling ball is great when it works but you can't do that against GWS.
30. Tom Atkins - Another bundle of tackles and hard ball gets, and again one of our few players who did better in the 2nd half than the first. I thought he at least broke even on the day.
32. Gryan Miers - I think Zuth probably shaded him for our best player, but Gryan was clearly our most creative. We'd have been beaten by ten goals if not for his F50 disposals.
33. Shannon Neale - After two absolute bullshit frees against him in the space of a minute, he could have dropped his head and gone into his shell. But he ended up with 5.0 and, at the end of the day, had Aleer's measure. Beautiful set shot kick.
34. Oisin Mullin - I didn't mind his game today. What we served up today isn't something a tagger can fix. Low possession numbers, but he got involved in some nice disposal chains and reads the high ball pretty well in the air. He'll come good soon.
35. Patrick Dangerfield - It just wasn't his day today. He put in an absolute stinker, both as a player and as a captain, but he's got enough credits saved up that we shouldn't panic too much.
36. Ollie Henry - Odd as it may seem I thought he gave us more than Stevens. His influence was limited to a good hard ball get late in the 3rd quarter, a pretty creditable lead, mark, and goal, and a pretty blatant HTM that of course wasn't paid. Pass mark by default.
38. Jack Henry - Another guy who I thought played a good game under pretty unfavourable conditions. He reads the ball off the boot as well as anyone, stands under the ball unflinchingly with power forwards steaming at him, and regularly nullifies guys two inches taller. I wish we had another three of him.
39. Zach Guthrie - His last two games have been as good as I've seen him play. He's the one guy today for us, besides Neale, who I thought clearly won his position. Not only that, he stood up as captain in all but name when Dangerfield was floundering.
42. Mark O'Connor - I've been a fan of his all year, but not on that effort. Absolutely putrid. He'll probably get looked at for that unfortunate spoil attempt; no malice in it but it's probably borderline a fine or a week. Another bloke I back to be too proud to serve up that steaming manure pile two games in a row.
44. Tom Stewart - He's finding form again, just at the right time of the season. The ball accumulation is back, and so is the intercept marking. Among our best, no doubt.
45. Brad Close - Barely OK. Needed to win more of the footy, but when he did get it he was creative going inside 50, and that goal he kicked from the boundary was an absolute pearler.
46. Mark Blicavs - Blitz was among our best again. As 2nd ruck and tall defender he had his work cut out for him, but I thought Briggs was less effective opposed to Blicavs than Stanley, and in the midfield Blitz seemed to accumulate a lot of touches and compete well in the air. We win a lot more games than we lose when he plays like that and the trash we produced today had nothing to do with him.
George more suited to a slower contested game maybe? This one was fast and full of turnovers would have been tougher for his style.
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Touched on this last week; can he be more than a GHS, a Charlie Constable or even the 3 we have on the list that you just named?
Of the quartet currently on our list I'd back Knevitt just because of his endurance, but I say that without any real confidence.
With Stevens possibly dropped and O'Connor possibly suspended, Knevitt probably looks a bit more promising for a senior callup than Clohesy or Clark. That said, I think I'd prefer Ted to Jack Bowes at this point.
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You're barking up the wrong tree on this one.
If the player says he's right and the doctor's clear him Cameron isn't getting subbed by the coach.
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O'Sullivan has had a massive season.
Huge plus for the club.
I wouldn't mind seeing him up the ground once SDK returns, depending on match-ups.
I had a mild crack at COS early in this thread - well, not really, just acknowledged he was beaten - but the sky is the limit for Connor.
There are things he can work on and improve going forward no doubt but there is so much to work with.
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Fair enough G.
I'm not particularly bullish on any of those players if I'm being honest.
Out of interest, who are you shipping out?
That’s why he’s a chance to not be kept.
Slow and contested is not the way the best sides are playing. And I don’t think that changes anytime soon.
Based on today's VFL game I think there's still cause for optimism about Knevitt and Clohesy. They both played very well. Ted has a head made of tungsten carbide and a decent nose for the goals and Knevitt is a good medium utility size. And there's something about Knevitt, can't quite put into words what it is, like a wildcard quality that makes me think we should persevere with him another year. Jhye Clark... ehhhhh. His skill set is that of an inside mid, but I don't think he'll ever get big and strong enough to play there.
O’Connor either suspended or sent back to the VFL after that performance. That was almost as bad as his game Vs GWS at GMHBA earlier in the year. And I think he was dropped after that.
I keep hoping against hope that Knevitt becomes something, my god are we desperate for a couple of over 5ft 5in inside midfielders, if we had a Cripps type we’d be comfortably one of the best teams in the league.
I’d implement a rule that no more undersized small forwards/mids get drafted until we land a decent bigger bodied mid.
I’d implement a rule that no more undersized small forwards/mids get drafted until we land a decent bigger bodied mid.
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