Centrelink debt notices - Turnbull govt reaches new levels of arse clown-ness

[Maggie5]

The debt notices are the tip of the iceberg. Between Centrelink and the Job Active providers, there are massive piles of s**t like this



http://www.smh.com.au/national/norf...er-australian-government-20170202-gu42no.html

The more I read of stories like this, can only shake my head and wonder how in the hell we got to this situation.

 

[Hawk Dork]

Some smart arse, silver spooned, sociopath, young Liberal got his half arsed ideas adopted, when he got a seat at the policy making table.

 

[Maggie5]

Some smart arse, silver spooned, sociopath, young Liberal got his half arsed ideas adopted, when he got a seat at the policy making table.

Sounds like someone from the IPA.

 

[Dry Rot]

Yet another awful Centrelink story

As a struggling single mother, Centrelink terrorised me over ex-partner's debt

http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/lif...-me-over-expartners-debt-20170205-gu61nu.html

 

[Maggie5]

Don't know how much credit to give this article but supposedly from a whistleblower.
One thing I do know is it is not just the program but staff cuts, poor hardware, constant changes in the system, low moral, staff cuts and no pay increase for over 3 years. Site managers have their hands full and are just as frustrated with a high backlog of checks, reviews and appeals.

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

Sorry we won't provide you the information you requested as its to much work!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-10/centrelink-debt-recovery-program-foi-requests-rejected/8258564

That is a disgrace. Given how many leaks there are, I doubt they could even be relying on internal terminology being different to that written on the letters to people. They're just denying a key aspect of democratic nations.

 

[Chief]

The debt notices are the tip of the iceberg. Between Centrelink and the Job Active providers, there are massive piles of s**t like this



http://www.smh.com.au/national/norf...er-australian-government-20170202-gu42no.html

"The local labour market does not have a bearing on these eligibility criteria," he said.

Why are they not suggesting he should become an airline pilot or Member of Parliament? Perhaps a curator at a museum of modern art?

 

[medusala]

So how many public servants have been sacked yet?

 

[Chief]

So how many public servants have been sacked yet?

Ministerial accountability?


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[Benny78]

So how many public servants have been sacked yet?

Man all the job losses in Brisbane really crippled it's housing market. Rather directly as well

 

[NSWCROW]

Mission accomplished

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au...ction-pushed-him-over-the-edge/14873364004249

As Centrelink continues its campaign of flawed and inscrutable debt collection, a young man commits suicide.

Filth
Hope he wasn't a liberal voting christian hey........

 

[Gough]

Is it time to talk about Porter, and Morrison having blood on their hands as was spoken of Rudd, and Garrett over pink batts? Or is this yet another example of different standards being applied to different governments?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Is it time to talk about Porter, and Morrison having blood on their hands as was spoken of Rudd, and Garrett over pink batts? Or is this yet another example of different standards being applied to different governments?

No, it's a massive stretch to link the incident with this issue.

People don't commit suicide over issues like this, there are much bigger and more troubling things going on to even come to this point.

The batts program directly related in deaths because of the shithouse nonexistent governance and risk management the program had

 

[NSWCROW]

No, it's a massive stretch to link the incident with this issue.

People don't commit suicide over issues like this, there are much bigger and more troubling things going on to even come to this point.

The batts program directly related in deaths because of the shithouse nonexistent governance and risk management the program had

That and people forgetting that drinking water before going up in 50+ deg temp roof-cavitys could be important

 

[Ned_Flanders]

That and people forgetting that drinking water before going up in 50+ deg temp roof-cavitys

I liked the program in principle, but everything about its setup and execution was a cluster *

dept of enviro had never handled anything like this, treasury should have been in charge day one

 

[GreyCrow]

The bottom line in the Batts was poor supervision and management, not government

 

[NSWCROW]

The bottom line in the Batts was poor supervision and management, not government

WE all knew this

What's that other mobs excuse ??
You know , the COWARD , Murdoch.....the lackers at 2GB........

 

[Moody Blue]

Yet another awful Centrelink story

As a struggling single mother, Centrelink terrorised me over ex-partner's debt

http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/lif...-me-over-expartners-debt-20170205-gu61nu.html

It is wrong, but our politicians are running out of ideas.

We are quickly approaching 600 billion in debt, and before you know it we will hit 1 trillion, and once that happens it is game over.
The more debt the Govt incurs, the worst off it becomes for low income earners. Ultimately we are paying 20-30 billion dollars in interest, which could be used for other worthwhile causes. If you increase taxes, the cost of living increases, and low income earners fall way behind.

Ever since John Howard was voted out of office, our politicians have been addicted to spending money we don't have.
We have made it very very difficult for our kids to purchase a house, they are going to be stuck with huge debts and an environment that is getting worst. Our politicians shrug their shoulders and keep promising things they know we cannot afford....but we demand it.
A country gets the politicians they deserve.

 

[Maggie5]

It is wrong, but our politicians are running out of ideas.

We are quickly approaching 600 billion in debt, and before you know it we will hit 1 trillion, and once that happens it is game over.
The more debt the Govt incurs, the worst off it becomes for low income earners. Ultimately we are paying 20-30 billion dollars in interest, which could be used for other worthwhile causes. If you increase taxes, the cost of living increases, and low income earners fall way behind.

Ever since John Howard was voted out of office, our politicians have been addicted to spending money we don't have.
We have made it very very difficult for our kids to purchase a house, they are going to be stuck with huge debts and an environment that is getting worst. Our politicians shrug their shoulders and keep promising things they know we cannot afford....but we demand it.
A country gets the politicians they deserve.

Little Johnny was the worst, sold assetts and our gold reserves.

 

[Moody Blue]

Little Johnny was the worst, sold assetts and our gold reserves.

When he left office, there was zero Govt debt, 20 billion in the bank, and 59 billion in the future fund. Howard got a lot of the credit but it
was Keating that did all of the hard work.

 

[JackOutback]

It is wrong, but our politicians are running out of ideas.

We are quickly approaching 600 billion in debt, and before you know it we will hit 1 trillion, and once that happens it is game over.
The more debt the Govt incurs, the worst off it becomes for low income earners. Ultimately we are paying 20-30 billion dollars in interest, which could be used for other worthwhile causes. If you increase taxes, the cost of living increases, and low income earners fall way behind.

Ever since John Howard was voted out of office, our politicians have been addicted to spending money we don't have.
We have made it very very difficult for our kids to purchase a house, they are going to be stuck with huge debts and an environment that is getting worst. Our politicians shrug their shoulders and keep promising things they know we cannot afford....but we demand it.
A country gets the politicians they deserve.

I wouldn't say it's spending that's the problem, it's the refusal to tax accordingly. The obsession is cutting taxes even when we know it will leave us unable to afford our current standard of living.

One also can't forget the GFC; that wasn't our government's fault and spending was the appropriate response.

 

[Moody Blue]

So how many public servants have been sacked yet?

Wayne Swan blew 500 billion dollars and he is still in Parliament getting his wage, and building on his pension. Another example of a career
politician, with his nose in the trough.

 

[Moody Blue]

I wouldn't say it's spending that's the problem, it's the refusal to tax accordingly. The obsession is cutting taxes even when we know it will leave us unable to afford our current standard of living.

One also can't forget the GFC; that wasn't our government's fault and spending was the appropriate response.

We had China, so we were insulated primarily because we had no debt. Europe was awash with debt and the US just don't bother checking their debt, because it is past the point of no return. Rudd crapped on about spending like drunken sailors and he did just that. Remember the cheques we all received? I remember telling my wife that we would end up paying 20 fold for this money.......and we have.

With respect to tax....the average PAYE earner gets screwed.
22-40% from your salary depending on what you earn, Medicare, petrol excise, GST, and if you like a punt,smoke or drink, the Treasurer loves you because you are paying over the odds. Then we have our Super.....the money they should be leaving alone, but again addicted to spending.

 

[JackOutback]

We had China, so we were insulated primarily because we had no debt. Europe was awash with debt and the US just don't bother checking their debt, because it is past the point of no return. Rudd crapped on about spending like drunken sailors and he did just that. Remember the cheques we all received? I remember telling my wife that we would end up paying 20 fold for this money.......and we have.

With respect to tax....the average PAYE earner gets screwed.
22-40% from your salary depending on what you earn, Medicare, petrol excise, GST, and if you like a punt,smoke or drink, the Treasurer loves you because you are paying over the odds. Then we have our Super.....the money they should be leaving alone, but again addicted to spending.

Without the stimulus, we would have entered recession and suffered a deeper economic malaise for far longer. That's not Rudd 'crapping on', that's just about every economist then and now.

As for tax, 22 per cent is insanely low. Australia is taxed lower than most OECD nations. And that is despite the fact that our vast nation guarantees that essential services will cost more. Everybody wants their tax to be as close to zero, but still want Medicare, police, fire, schools etc.

 

[Chief]

When he left office, there was zero Govt debt, 20 billion in the bank, and 59 billion in the future fund. Howard got a lot of the credit but it
was Keating that did all of the hard work.

Pretty sure he had a fair chunk of unfunded public service super propping these figures up.


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