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[Over The Post]

It seens to be based on an idea that any unemployed person can walk into a job tomorrow.

Well they can. If they are prepared to uproot everything and move to regional Australia to spend a couple of months picking fruit as a casual and getting paid minimum wage or even less on piece rates, and then can get ****ed as soon as the trees are bare. Or ignore their mental health and/or principles and go and work on the floor of a regional abbatoir.

Which I'm not going to do.

(Frydenberg) You are a cruel and unrealistic campaigner.

No disagreement here.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Well they can. If they are prepared to uproot everything and move to regional Australia to spend a couple of months picking fruit as a casual and getting paid minimum wage or even less on piece rates, and then can get f’ed as soon as the trees are bare. Or ignore their mental health and/or principles and go and work on the floor of a regional abbatoir.

Which I'm not going to do.



No disagreement here.

Surely the abbatoir would present wonderful opportunities for vegan activists .

 

[GreyCrow]

Well they can. If they are prepared to uproot everything and move to regional Australia to spend a couple of months picking fruit as a casual and getting paid minimum wage or even less on piece rates, and then can get f’ed as soon as the trees are bare. Or ignore their mental health and/or principles and go and work on the floor of a regional abbatoir

Which is an (un)intended consequence of centralisation

All the service industries in rural Australia that were the backbone have been centralised with the internet and "saving the bottom line "

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Which is an (un)intended consequence of centralisation

All the service industries in rural Australia that were the backbone have been centralised with the internet and "saving the bottom line "

Australia is ridiculously centralised.
There is only one city in the USA with more population than Melbourne or Sydney.

In Texas there is one city with the population of Brisbane.
Then there are a couple comparable to Adelaide.
Then there are 3 that have more population than Newcastle or Canberra.
Then there are 3 bigger than Geelong.
Around 23 with more population than Ballarat.

Their population in total is comparable to Australia's.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Australia is ridiculously centralised.
There is only one city in the USA with more population than Melbourne or Sydney.

In Texas there is one city with the population of Brisbane.
Then there are a couple comparable to Adelaide.
Then there are 3 that have more population than Newcastle or Canberra.
Then there are 3 bigger than Geelong.
Around 23 with more population than Ballarat.

Their population in total is comparable to Australia's.

USA counts pops differently. they only count for the incorporated entity. if you look at the greater metro region, the math is different:

 

[Over The Post]

That's like saying Melbourne should include Geelong, Ballarat, Bendigo, Seymour and Narre Warren.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

That's like saying Melbourne should include Geelong, Ballarat, Bendigo, Seymour and Narre Warren.

no. they stats are like saying parramatta is not a part of Sydney

do you honestly think Disneyland is not in LA?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

no. they stats are like saying parramatta is not a part of Sydney

do you honestly think Disneyland is not in LA?

Grrr what's with them having to do everything their own stupid way. They still don't even have metric units.

I guess my point is, there are a bloody lot of different cities in the USA, there are some big sprawls, but like Europe, there are a lot of mid sized cities, smaller than what we have here but a lot bigger than Shepparton.

Admittedly our geography is crap.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Grrr what's with them having to do everything their own stupid way. They still don't even have metric units.

I guess my point is, there are a bloody lot of different cities in the USA, there are some big sprawls, but like Europe, there are a lot of mid sized cities, smaller than what we have here but a lot bigger than Shepparton.

Admittedly our geography is crap.

that point you're right on. per my metro list, you're already down to the 2 millions after just the top 20 - and this for a nation of 300m+ over 50 states

comes from cities following farming and trainlines

 

[SaintsSeptember]

that point you're right on. per my metro list, you're already down to the 2 millions after just the top 20 - and this for a nation of 300m+ over 50 states

comes from cities following farming and trainlines

They have some decent rivers as well.

 

[Crusey]

So mutual obligations that started on Dec 1 in Victoria are suspended between 21 dec and 3 jan due to Xmas, no report needed for December

Couldnt make this stuff up

 

[Over The Post]

Next time I do my reporting I'm going to screenshot the process, so those not on the dole can see just how perverse and FITH the user interface has become, instead of clicking a radio button, putting in two numbers and hitting "submit".

 

[Kram]

It’s blatant hypocrisy from people who complain of welfare dependency.

Indigenous families have despaired that their kids are learning that money comes out of the magic government card. They don’t see their parents using cash or managing their own bank accounts so they don’t learn how to do that.

Oh you know a lot of indigenous people I guess.

 

[Chief]

Oh you know a lot of indigenous people I guess.

Guess away.

 

[Over The Post]

I feel like an ant under a magnifying glass with these campaigners.

Earned a few hundred bucks in the last couple of months, and like a good stupid citizen declared it.

Just got an e-letter on mygov dated 24 December (6 days old?!) saying that as I've accumulated more than $4500 over eight weeks my low income health care card has been cancelled and I have to reapply should my future income fall below that. Just been through the figures and the only time that could have occurred was late October. Seems that when the corona supplement was lowered to $250, they reintroduced the cutoff. Of course, since that one outlier, I haven't earned anywhere near that figure, and certainly won't when the supplement is cut to $150 next fortnight.

**** 'em. Seriously, **** 'em.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I feel like an ant under a magnifying glass with these campaigners.

Earned a few hundred bucks in the last couple of months, and like a good stupid citizen declared it.

Just got an e-letter on mygov dated 24 December (6 days old?!) saying that as I've accumulated more than $4500 over eight weeks my low income health care card has been cancelled and I have to reapply should my future income fall below that. Just been through the figures and the only time that could have occurred was late October. Seems that when the corona supplement was lowered to $250, they reintroduced the cutoff. Of course, since that one outlier, I haven't earned anywhere near that figure, and certainly won't when the supplement is cut to $150 next fortnight.

fu** 'em. Seriously, fu** 'em.

Insane that they can cancel the card due to 8 weeks. Since when is anything less than a year a way to measure anyone's income. This is my issue with centerlink. Their staff are creating useless work for themselves which they then need to work extra hours to fix.

My daughter has to do nursing placements which is unpaid ( if it was anyone else apart from the government doing work like that unpaid, they'd be screaming "exploitation "/ "modern slavery" ). She's had to cancel her casual work and is hoping to get something while she's unpaid. ( The nursing school can even arrange accommodation at a mere $300/night )
However Centerlink created some sort of issue with her application, she had to go in there with all her payslips and paperwork.
After lining up the person dealing with her stated that they "didn't know how to deal with it". When she asked if she could see another team member who might know how to do with it, the staff member threatened to call security on her. ( she's in early 20's probably 60kg ).
Its not the first time i've seen government departments abuse their "anti abuse " policies by threatening anyone who argues with them with security.

FFS : Bring in a system where most of this crap can be sorted online, and stop paying these dickheads who don't know anything to sit behind desks and answer phones.

Centerlink " tell us how much you will earn in the next month. "
Person " I don't know, i'm a casual on call , all the rosters are up the crap ever since covid "
Centerlink "oooooh "
Person "OK , i'll guess, probably this much "
6 Month later "Centerlink : YOU LIED ABOUT HOW MUCH YOU WOULD EARN - YOU MUST BE EXTERMINATED "

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Oh you know a lot of indigenous people I guess.

It seems a bit condescending that whilst credit cards are a normal part of society, he thinks that Indiginous Autralians will consider it "magic".

 

[Over The Post]

Insane that they can cancel the card due to 8 weeks. Since when is anything less than a year a way to measure anyone's income.

It's a rolling 8 weeks based on fortnight intervals, eg
week 2 $1100 - $1100
week 4 $1100 - $2200
week 6 $1250 - $3450
week 8 $1000 - $4450
week 10 $1000 - $4350
week 12 $1275 - $4525
week 14 $1000 - $4275
week 16 $900 - $4125

While those are thin-air numbers, they illustrate how one extra blip can put you over the threshold for that rolling eight weeks.

Sorry to hear about your daughter, whenever I've gone in there the staff have always been (or tried to be) helpful and polite.

Although they do spend the obligatory five minutes trying to tell you to **** off and do it online (yes, I've come all the way down here and waited an hour to suddenly realise I could have done this at home on my computer, sure) or to **** off and do it on one of the computers over there against the wall (absolutely, your magic web browser will surely let me do something I have already spent hours screaming at the screen trying to do at home). Once past that I've always managed OK.

 

[Over The Post]

It seems a bit condescending that whilst credit cards are a normal part of society, he thinks that Indiginous Autralians will consider it "magic".

White mans magic.

Would you like to do a 150km round trip to get petrol for your car because the local supplier can't get on the approved retailer list?:

'It's demeaning': What it's like to be told how to spend your welfare money

People on the poverty line in the Northern Territory are battling logistical nightmares and daily shame due to a long-running income management policy — and it's unclear if their lives will change after the federal election.

www.abc.net.au

Note this is the basics card, not the indue card, but its a similar principle and similarly marginalises the already marginalised. Interesting that there are 22,000 people on the card and the budget to run it is $70M, or $3200 per card. Imagine having an eftpos card that only worked at selected outlets that came with a bank fee of $265 a month. That's what this shit is. Indue is much worse.

 

[eddiesmith]

It's a rolling 8 weeks based on fortnight intervals, eg
week 2 $1100 - $1100
week 4 $1100 - $2200
week 6 $1250 - $3450
week 8 $1000 - $4450
week 10 $1000 - $4350
week 12 $1275 - $4525
week 14 $1000 - $4275
week 16 $900 - $4125

While those are thin-air numbers, they illustrate how one extra blip can put you over the threshold for that rolling eight weeks.

Sorry to hear about your daughter, whenever I've gone in there the staff have always been (or tried to be) helpful and polite.

Although they do spend the obligatory five minutes trying to tell you to fu** off and do it online (yes, I've come all the way down here and waited an hour to suddenly realise I could have done this at home on my computer, sure) or to fu** off and do it on one of the computers over there against the wall (absolutely, your magic web browser will surely let me do something I have already spent hours screaming at the screen trying to do at home). Once past that I've always managed OK.

Yeah I get that attitude in Melbourne offices after usually waiting well over an hour or two, they say you can just do all this online...

When I go to the regional office they see you quickly, look at their system and see you've attempted to do it online 3 bloody times then fix it on the spot and backpay to your original attempt.

I think the fact that up in the country they have a few universities so are used to dealing with students helps a lot. They never ask for a rent certificate.

 

[Rotayjay]

I feel like an ant under a magnifying glass with these campaigners.

Earned a few hundred bucks in the last couple of months, and like a good stupid citizen declared it.

Just got an e-letter on mygov dated 24 December (6 days old?!) saying that as I've accumulated more than $4500 over eight weeks my low income health care card has been cancelled and I have to reapply should my future income fall below that. Just been through the figures and the only time that could have occurred was late October. Seems that when the corona supplement was lowered to $250, they reintroduced the cutoff. Of course, since that one outlier, I haven't earned anywhere near that figure, and certainly won't when the supplement is cut to $150 next fortnight.

fu** 'em. Seriously, fu** 'em.

Those letters are auto-generated and can be misleading (stupid I know). If you are currently on Jobseeker Payment then you are still automatically on the Health Care Card which is pretty much the same.

 

[Over The Post]

Those letters are auto-generated and can be misleading (stupid I know). If you are currently on Jobseeker Payment then you are still automatically on the Health Care Card which is pretty much the same.

Yeah, but you can never, ever, trust that 100%. I'm going to have to get confirmation that nothing has accidentally happened to my HCC. Last time there was a minor hiccup (JSP suspended my dole for a weekend, discussed a while back) they shitcanned both cards instead of just the relevant one. I only found that out when I went to get my scripts and it cost nearly $90 instead of $20.

The cards are identical except one has LI, and the other NS (for when it was still Newstart). Oh, and different expiry dates, of course.



I've no idea how they are linked or how interdependent they are on the system. I think that's part of the mystique they desire.

 

[Over The Post]

Oh yes, and the October reduction in the supplement has now taken effect - I've just paid next months rent, and after paying the power bill next week I'll be down to under $150 in my bank account again. It was nice to have a little buffer while it lasted.

 

[Over The Post]

Looks like I'm not the only one:

Unhappy new year for more than 1 million Aussies on JobSeeker as COVID assistance winds back

More than 1 million Australians will have their welfare payments shaved from tomorrow as the Government continues to wind back coronavirus assistance.

www.abc.net.au

 

[NSWCROW]

Annnnnd right on cue, there's Dobby out there today wanking off with the " bEsT fOrM oF wElFaRe iS a jOb " routine


Govts a bit sensitive methinks