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Meteoric Rise said:
Post of the year.

The way your mind works is an endless form of fascination to me Magic.

1. What on earth would possibly possess North to trade the right to Horne for anything we could offer them? How would you feel right now if in 2009 Richmond had traded away the right for Dustin Martin and in return got say pick 12 Kane Lucas, pick 18 Luke Tapscott and pick 27 Callum Bartlett, whoever they are?

2. There doesn’t need to be a 2. Just 1. is enough.

3. Your ability to look ahead and cover off every possible angle of a deal that wouldn’t happen in one million lifetimes is astonishing. Just breathtaking. You are a truly amazing person. 😁

But yes, if North want to give up Horne for our two firsts and a second and maybe Joshua Caddy as well, we’d have to take it, because you can never have too many elite generational South Australians on your list that you can later trade back to Port or Adelaide at the end of your window for a good compensation pick. 😂😂

Thank you. you have put a smile back on my face with your “you” ness. 😍
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Well North will not want to rise up too fast the ladder. Its not hard to get to no-mans land ninth there are levels after that to rise to. Its like Richo or Lids where a few stars push you up before you accumulate enough talent when down the bottom and you hurt a proper build North needs. Josh Kelly would have worked against them in this respect to like Judd for Carlton

They need to get KP players yet as well.

They have at least one gun in Tarryn Thomas but have to get a lot of gun youngsters to develop around him and others. We can help with draft picks to do this.

I do not think they would want any of our players since they are in rebuild/development phase. We might even help them by taking players off them in the later years when appropriate so they can get more young guns in their window.

The trouble with Horne for them is they are a small club in a rebuild still ongoing for a little bit and the worry is they invest in Horne and lose him before they can get any worthwhile reward like a Lions or Gold Coast

We do not necessarily want a heap of youngsters but we want youngsters that count and Horne would be that and with the rest of the list we can add elsewhere in other ways so we could give North a lot of draft currency to help their ultimate goals

Horne is not Dusty and he is from SA where Adelaide and Port will come chasing at some point. I have not seen much of him but he is not flawless, a little raw but he is a marker, has a defensive side, bit of zip, inside. I think he would suit us in terms of fit and we can fit him in, not displace anyone and build around him and the rest of the team. Like I said, when it suits he can go back to SA if he wants as our window would probably be starting to come to and end, while for North they will want to keep him is the SA clubs start trying to grab him in free agency etc..

North will need to be a few more years down the bottom to get gun players yet, Horne and Thomas is not going to cut it with the rest of their brigade. They are not the club to get ahead of themselves and try a Carlton either trading players in to
 
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Mr Magic said:
Well North will not want to rise up too fast the ladder. Its like Richo or Lids where a few stars push you up before you accumulate enough talent when down the bottom and you hurt a proper build North needs

They need to get KP players yet as well.

They have at least one gun in Tarryn Thomas but have to get a lot of gun youngsters to develop around him and others. We can help with draft picks to do this.

I do not think they would want any of our players since they are in rebuild/development phase. We might even help them by taking players off them in the later years when appropriate so they can get more young guns in their window.

The trouble with Horne for them is they are a small club in a rebuild still ongoing for a little bit and the worry is they invest in Horne and lose him before they can get any worthwhile reward like a Lions or Gold Coast

We do not necessarily want a heap of youngsters but we want youngsters that count and Horne would be that and with the rest of the list we can add elsewhere in other ways so we could give North a lot of draft currency to help their ultimate goals

Horne is not Dusty and he is from SA where Adelaide and Port will come chasing at some point. I have not seen much of him but he is not flawless, a little raw but he is a marker, has a defensive side, bit of zip, inside. I think he would suit us in terms of fit and we can fit him in, not displace anyone and build around him and the rest of the team. Like I said, when it suits he can go back to SA if he wants as our window would probably be starting to come to and end, while for North they will want to keep him is the SA clubs start trying to grab him in free agency etc..

North will need to be a few more years down the bottom to get gun players yet, Horne and Thomas is not going to cut it with the rest of their brigade
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You have a vivid imagination.
 
RJK Tiger said:
We have no idea what his contact looks like. To say a strategy they used a few years ago is proof of some intel of what he is getting paid - its just not accurate - its all just guess work & if it was a strategy created to "hold onto young talent" - then its a miserable one. They have lost Jeremy Cameron, Dylan Shiel, Adam Treloar,, Devon Smith, Jack Steele, Aidan Corr, Zac Williams, Nathan Wilson, Will Hoskin-Elliott, Caleb Marchbank, John Patton, Tom Boyd, Caldwell. Their strategy of overpaying rookies has basically just lead them to losing a majority of their top-end talent. It would be mental if they were continuing with that

Mainly though, I just don't see anyone but Richmond supporters saying he is interested in leaving. I definitely don't see GWS fans saying he should go, or wants to go. Its not really reported anywhere except for Caro who even said it was a romantic speculation at best. He signed a new contract committing to the club even before he played his first game ... You might as well say we should go after Walsh because Carlton just overpayed Cripps & McGovern etc.

I have no doubt that Richmond are interested in him though and have asked the question ( & got a pretty flat answer ), & i have no doubt Tom Green's management more than happy for it to be known Richmond, his families club, have strong interest in their client. Getting yourself a juicy contract extension elsewhere on having "strong roots in Richmond" is an age old strategy.

Ultimately, the only player available this off-season to us, is Cerra....& new reports say that ain't happening. Seems more likely now the club was holding interest in Cerra as a back up plan if Bolton didn't re-sign. With Bolton signed up, the club is all of a sudden "not keen". Could have been smoke and mirrors on our end, a "back up plan" - or purely Boltons contract and Cerra's demands have made it impossible for us to pursue it further. I dare say the club still "wants" Cerra - but the club can't afford the luxury.

All of that news though just adds more sense to why us getting Tom Green appears to be pie in the sky stuff until 2023
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Bolton re-signs for 2yrs.
Cerra more than likely for 2yrs at Freo.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 

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tropicaltiger said:
Reading between the lines, Essendon (who are following the Tigers blueprint) and us...won't be offering a top 5 pick/and/ or 600+k per year but the Blues will pay thru the roof so they continue to have 3 A graders, 4 B+ players and 18 x E graders in their best 25 and pay overs to anyone who's played 2 good games in a row.
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It's a bidding war between Freo and the Blues is also my take. We know that over paying for a good player is not worth it. That's OK if Carlton pack their list as you've said that means they stay crap for longer. Win win
 
RJK Tiger said:
just a hunch but i think it has more to do with Bolton re-signing. Maybe Cerra was our "plan B" OR with the discounted rate he accepted, it made Cerra's salary demands untenable.

I think with Cerra gone, the Tom Mitchell chances are very high. Bolton took a discount to stay for a team that can contend - we will need to improve in the midfield dramatically, immediately for that to happen
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I don’t expect we d be able to afford much more than 300 pa of Mitchell’s contract , reckon he’d be 700+
 
Bojangles17 said:
I don’t imagine we’d be able to successfully negotiate we pay none of his contract unless we were prepared to pay up with draft picks
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I would anticipate Hawthorn would like us to bend over in any negotiation of any player/pick scenario

This is where Cerra is a better option because he is younger and arguably more possibilities.

Hawks and Mitchell are just desperate in a desperate scenario looking for a way to shift their issues
 

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Meteoric Rise said:
Post of the year.

The way your mind works is an endless form of fascination to me Magic.

1. What on earth would possibly possess North to trade the right to Horne for anything we could offer them? How would you feel right now if in 2009 Richmond had traded away the right for Dustin Martin and in return got say pick 12 Kane Lucas, pick 18 Luke Tapscott and pick 27 Callum Bartlett, whoever they are?

2. There doesn’t need to be a 2. Just 1. is enough.

3. Your ability to look ahead and cover off every possible angle of a deal that wouldn’t happen in one million lifetimes is astonishing. Just breathtaking. You are a truly amazing person. 😁

But yes, if North want to give up Horne for our two firsts and a second and maybe Joshua Caddy as well, we’d have to take it, because you can never have too many elite generational South Australians on your list that you can later trade back to Port or Adelaide at the end of your window for a good compensation pick. 😂😂

Thank you. you have put a smile back on my face with your “you” ness. 😍
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Let's face it, for some the period leading up to actual trade week is better than Grand Final week, oh the possibilities!;)
 
Just wondering peoples thoughts on Adam Cerra's game today against Eagles in the derby

Very good 1st quarter and kicked a nice goal 2 minutes into the 2nd quarter from 50mtrs out and had 12 touches at that point

finished the rest of the game nearly 3 quarters with another 9 touches ending up with 21 for the game at 66% De

Was that a $750k a year like performance when Andrew Brayshaw was out

It was the young gun Caleb Serong that stood up with 31 touches 2 goals 5 tackles and numerous clearances
 
Rioli2Rioli said:
Just wondering peoples thoughts on Adam Cerra's game today against Eagles in the derby

Very good 1st quarter and kicked a nice goal 2 minutes into the 2nd quarter from 50mtrs out and had 12 touches at that point

finished the rest of the game nearly 3 quarters with another 9 touches ending up with 21 for the game at 66% De

Was that a $750k a year like performance when Andrew Brayshaw was out

It was the young gun Caleb Serong that stood up with 31 touches 2 goals 5 tackles and numerous clearances
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Nope. Which leads to a point I made last week that his agent or whoever is feeding him shit because whatever deal he takes in that high bracket, is setting him up for scrutiny for the at of his career.


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Bojangles17 said:
I don’t imagine we’d be able to successfully negotiate we pay none of his contract unless we were prepared to pay up with draft picks
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The only way we could get them to pay that much of his contract obligation is if we used the Cats 1st round pick + a 2nd rounder for him.

Mitchell alone is worth Pick 18-24. If you want to get him for half price as well, you really need to sweeten that pot. It's not worth the cost, I can't see us getting Mitchell and beating a growing pack of teams primed to pounce.
 
Nobby said:
Reporting tonight he won't go to Carlton if they sack Teague and hire Lyon, Morris is hedging his bets
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Ross Lyon to Carlton sounds about as fruitful as Pagan & Malthouse to Carlton. A terrible fit for their club & culture.

They would be better served trying heaven and earth to get Clarkson either this year or next. Ross Lyon to Carlton is incredibly .....yuck
 
Rioli2Rioli said:
Just wondering peoples thoughts on Adam Cerra's game today against Eagles in the derby

Very good 1st quarter and kicked a nice goal 2 minutes into the 2nd quarter from 50mtrs out and had 12 touches at that point

finished the rest of the game nearly 3 quarters with another 9 touches ending up with 21 for the game at 66% De

Was that a $750k a year like performance when Andrew Brayshaw was out

It was the young gun Caleb Serong that stood up with 31 touches 2 goals 5 tackles and numerous clearances
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He did make a good start but then really fell away once the Eagles got on top and he turned the ball over again and again in the second half. Missed a critical set shot at goal with a miskick too.

Agree, been saying it for a while now, of their three young gun mids, two of them have the capacity to change a game or win a game off their own boot. We've seen Brayshaw and Serong do it before now too. Serong was influencing games in his first year. He's going to be a star. Brayshaw, well we saw what he did to us and he will be their next captain.

But that's why Cerra gets the vanilla tag. These two feed him the ball. He hasn't shown himself to be a matchwinner/decisive in 80 games whilst the other two have on several occassions. Cerra doesn't really have a lasting impact on games. He may in time and is improving. Fine young player but you couldn't build a team around him and therein is the problem. It's always been about the $$. He'd be on similar/more than Shai to come to us and Shai is another matchwinner. Shai you can build a team around.

Also bear in mind he went to a bottom 4 team and has never had to fight for his spot. He started playing straight away, unlike Shai who had to fight his way into a Premiership squad.

If the kid was getting good advice he'd sign for two years on $700+ at Freo and see where they go. It does make your eyes water tho...$700+ for Adam Cerra. Wow. They have to pay that to keep him.

Before anyone says AGAIN "he wouldn't be on that with us" well maybe not but so far nobody has been prepared to put a number on what it would take. He ain't coming for $400k. Or $500k so what $600k ? Three years ? Four ? Five years ?

Shai signed for approx $600 for two.

It's easy to see that if as reported we dropped out of the race, that's why. He's just not worth what it would cost in draft capital (they would want two late first rounders, minimum. Starting point would be our Top 10 first) and $$ to get him in.

At 22, on upwards of $600k, on a long contract you'd want to be signing a dead cert, game changing midfielder or you would just screw your cap on a vanilla (not my words) mid.
 
Karp3_dm said:
Geelongs 1st + St kilda’s 2nd + aarts + castagna

I’d love get Horne so badly that we could even throw in Chol too as steak knives
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That's not how trading works, you can't just include 3 fringe players and use them to upgrade a late 1st rounder to the #1 pick 🤦‍♂️
 

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