Cerra

[Drunken Wookie]

I think it will look something like:-

Richmond pick 17 and 25 for Cerra and Freos 3rd rounder.

He was taken at pick 5. He's a regular senior player and further to that, considered to be in their top 3 midfielders. They don't actually want him to go.
Bearing all that in mind you reckon they'll accept pick 17 and 25? We'll have to pony up our first pick to even enter the conversation I reckon. That's why I'm against the trade, he's a luxury acquisition when we should be chasing a need (an inside ball winning mid).

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

He was taken at pick 5. He's a regular senior player and further to that, considered to be in their top 3 midfielders. They don't actually want him to go.
Bearing all that in mind you reckon they'll accept pick 17 and 25? We'll have to pony up our first pick to even enter the conversation I reckon. That's why I'm against the trade, he's a luxury acquisition when we should be chasing a need (an inside ball winning mid).

Who's available?(gettable)

 

[Morro]

You'd want to be a harsh critic when you're forking out $600+ over 5y (that's erring on the cheap side) for a kid who isn't an A grader when you've sold to all your loyal soldiers about
sacrificing pay for success.

We have triple premiership midfielders Edwards, Lambert etc who don't get that kind of coin, let alone 21yo outside mids from minnow clubs. Our B graders/fringe A graders would rightly say WTF !?!?

Even Dusty didn't get that kind of $$ and he was an XFactor monster at 21.

It isn't a knock on Cerra who is a solid citizen and a very nice, neat player. I'm just being a realist. Playing Devil's advocate. Is he really what we need most ? Is he worth it and the best young player we could get on that kind of salary and contract, let alone the draft capital needed to get him ?

He's knocked back $750k x 4y at Freo.

Freo rate him their third best young mid behind Brayshaw and Serong who won last year's rising star. Why are we forking out a huge chunk of our cap for minimum 4/5y and handing over our two first rounders (because that's what it will take) for Freo's third best young mid ??

I think it's a fair question.

If we hit the draft this year and wait one year, with the retirements we have coming, Tom Green falls into our lap for about the same money. Tom Green is A grade material. He's everything that Cerra isn't. Better kick, inside clearance specialist, big and strong and leadership material.

I was talking about ability, not $$$, didnt mention money once. You and I have no idea what he would be getting paid so no point arguing that IMO.

 

[Drunken Wookie]

Who's available?(gettable)

I'd be hoping we're putting in the early work on a few. Names that've been floated here before. If the right player isn't available this year we go to the draft or trade picks into next year to make it happen. Cerra is reportedly being offered a 4 year $750,000 contract to stay at Freo. I don't think we should be burning those dollars on an outside player when it's clearances that are our biggest issue.

 

[Tiges1229]

Dont do it RFC keep our picks go to the draft

 

[Madas]

Cheers.
What are your thoughts on his trade value ?

I’m no expert on that stuff
At least a pick 5 as he has shown his capacity and 4 years worth of development.
Later pick and CCJ would make me very happy , but I’m a good dreamer . Has he re-signed yet ?

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

I'd be hoping we're putting in the early work on a few. Names that've been floated here before. If the right player isn't available this year we go to the draft or trade picks into next year to make it happen. Cerra is reportedly being offered a 4 year $750,000 contract to stay at Freo. I don't think we should be burning those dollars on an outside player when it's clearances that are our biggest issue.

He won't be getting 750k from us.
We need both though.
I think the early work has been put into Green(wouldn't take to much mind you)
Would love to get both in this year but thats not going to happen.
Least we get 1/2 of the puzzle piece in.

 

[acr2751]

You have written that so beautifully and credit to you and your grammar , Too bad i never have been able to do this so ill just make it quick
I would rather take any of the below players ahead of Cerra for the same price and pick cost and possibly 2-3 more if i went through the team lists
I think rankings can be skewed somtimes
Which of the players below would pick before Cerra ?

Rowell
Anderson
Green
LDU
Rozee
Butters

which ones are available to us??

 

[Meteoric Rise]

He was taken at pick 5. He's a regular senior player and further to that, considered to be in their top 3 midfielders. They don't actually want him to go.
Bearing all that in mind you reckon they'll accept pick 17 and 25? We'll have to pony up our first pick to even enter the conversation I reckon. That's why I'm against the trade, he's a luxury acquisition when we should be chasing a need (an inside ball winning mid).

I see it slightly differently to that. I think if you want to win multiple flags with a team you probably need about 4 of the top 50 inside mids in the AFL playing for you at the time. I don’t think it matters what order you recruit them in. You probably need 2 x $750k plus players in there and another two on at least $600-650k.

So thinking of our flag run:

Dusty on $1.1m
Cotchin on $800k?
Prestia on $750k
Edwards on $5-600k?

Or Hawks before us:

Mitchell $800k
Hodge $800k
Lewis $650k?
Burgoyne $750k?

So you probably have around $3m to spend on your 4 main mids. I think Cerra on $600-650k can fit within that, then Bolton $600k, Martin $1.1m and Prestia $700k. You get say a Green or other bull in on lower money for now and Cerra, Bolton and that player all end up on $700-750k+ in their next contract when Martin and Prestia(and Cotchin) come off the big money. And then in say 2-3 years time we just need to have found that 4th guy through existing stocks, trade or free agency. Anyone we draft from now on is unlikely to be at that level by then.

I don’t think Cerra is so much a luxury acquisition. It is more the case if we can lock these guys in, the earlier the better.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

I see it slightly differently to that. I think if you want to win multiple flags with a team you probably need about 4 of the top 50 inside mids in the AFL playing for you at the time. I don’t think it matters what order you recruit them in. You probably need 2 x $750k plus players in there and another two on at least $600-650k.

So thinking of our flag run:

Dusty on $1.1m
Cotchin on $800k?
Prestia on $750k
Edwards on $5-600k?

Or Hawks before us:

Mitchell $800k
Hodge $800k
Lewis $650k?
Burgoyne $750k?

So you probably have around $3m to spend on your 4 main mids. I think Cerra on $600-650k can fit within that, then Bolton $600k, Martin $1.1m and Prestia $700k. You get say a Green or other bull in on lower money for now and Cerra, Bolton and that player all end up on $700-750k+ in their next contract when Martin and Prestia(and Cotchin) come off the big money. And then in say 2-3 years time we just need to have found that 4th guy through existing stocks, trade or free agency. Anyone we draft from now on is unlikely to be at that level by then.

I don’t think Cerra is so much a luxury acquisition. It is more the case if we can lock these guys in, the earlier the better.

As the old saying goes.Rome wasn't built in a day.

 

[SumTingWong]

I find it strange that a player would declare he's leaving with one game to go. Surely he would wait another week?

 

[sante]

Cerra is a gun with plenty of upside. How can you say otherwise, typical BF bias. Like someone else said, if he was a Richmond player wanting out, we’d be demanding a top 5 pick

 

[tigerfan1961]

Cerra is a gun with plenty of upside. How can you say otherwise, typical BF bias. Like someone else said, if he was a Richmond player wanting out, we’d be demanding a top 5 pick

I agree pretty well but depending on picks we end up with, I think I’d rather use the two first rounders tbh rather than trade them for a player(s)

 

[TigerTime17]

Add to that you always pay a little extra to get someone to change clubs than you would if they come from within.

That is the issue with us that think we would most likely be over paying for Cerra - he wants to come back to Melbourne so we are not trying to pry him out of Freo. I am with those that think he is very vanilla. We are desperate for midfield clearance players - not outsider

Cerra is a gun with plenty of upside. How can you say otherwise, typical BF bias. Like someone else said, if he was a Richmond player wanting out, we’d be demanding a top 5 pick

But we all know that the Tigers wouldn't get that. Cerra is not contracted and he is the one that wants out. In the same position, the Tigers would facilitate the best trade they could, given he would possibly walk out anyway to go home. Where would that leave the Dockers if that happened?

As far as I can see, Freo are not in the box position here to demand the silly 2x 1st round picks being suggested - for what is basically their 3rd or 4th best midfielder. Freo need him and value him that high and think that is his worth but realistically, he does not warrant those type of picks.

Just my opinion guys - and we are allowed an opinion that differs from others so don't come @ me!

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Just my opinion guys - and we are allowed an opinion that differs from others so don't come @ me!

Charge!!!!

 

[manangatang]

This poster pre-melt has got pre-Prestia vibes about it.

 

[sante]

That is the issue with us that think we would most likely be over paying for Cerra - he wants to come back to Melbourne so we are not trying to pry him out of Freo. I am with those that think he is very vanilla. We are desperate for midfield clearance players - not outsider


But we all know that the Tigers wouldn't get that. Cerra is not contracted and he is the one that wants out. In the same position, the Tigers would facilitate the best trade they could, given he would possibly walk out anyway to go home. Where would that leave the Dockers if that happened?

As far as I can see, Freo are not in the box position here to demand the silly 2x 1st round picks being suggested - for what is basically their 3rd or 4th best midfielder. Freo need him and value him that high and think that is his worth but realistically, he does not warrant those type of picks.

Just my opinion guys - and we are allowed an opinion that differs from others so don't come @ me!

Bigfooty says 2 x first rounders. Doesn’t mean it’s what Richmond and Freo are thinking.

 

[Bird Man]

Cerra is a gun with plenty of upside. How can you say otherwise, typical BF bias. Like someone else said, if he was a Richmond player wanting out, we’d be demanding a top 5 pick

we would ask for a top *10 pick but we wouldn't get it in the same way we wouldnt get one for jack graham.

Anyway from what i believe he is going to Carlton for the money

 

[tiger_tough]

we would ask for a top *10 pick but we wouldn't get it in the same way we wouldnt get one for jack graham.

Anyway from what i believe he is going to Carlton for the money

Cerra has a higher ceiling than Graham in terms of footballing ability IMO. Graham will be a good-very good player over the course of his career but the leadership and team first attitude will be his greatest asset. You generally don't pay extra on the trade table for that rightly or wrongly.

 

[sante]

we would ask for a top *10 pick but we wouldn't get it in the same way we wouldnt get one for jack graham.

Anyway from what i believe he is going to Carlton for the money

I don’t get the point you’re trying to make?

 

[Bird Man]

I don’t get the point you’re trying to make?

guess my point is Draft picks are more valuable and are harder to negociate expecially when they are in the top 10. Whether or not thats fair its just the way it is in AFL unlike NBA or NFL

 

[sante]

guess my point is Draft picks are more valuable and are harder to negociate expecially when they are in the top 10. Whether or not thats fair its just the way it is in AFL unlike NBA or NFL

They’re seen as more valuable to the fans on Bigfooty, no one else.

We gave up pick 6 for Prestia and everyone cried over it. Didn’t GC give up pick 3 for Weller?

 

[Morro]

guess my point is Draft picks are more valuable and are harder to negociate expecially when they are in the top 10. Whether or not thats fair its just the way it is in AFL unlike NBA or NFL

They are also hit and miss and a massive gamble.

 

[TigerTime17]

This poster pre-melt has got pre-Prestia vibes about it.

I wanted Prestia as that was a position we absolutely needed someone in - no point getting Cerra if we don't have anyone to get it out to him. Spend the cash on absolute need first.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

which ones are available to us??

The list i put foward is in context to the AFL ranking's being skewed

Maybe Rowell and Anderson could be available in 1-2 years if we keep our powder dry