Opinion CEY how many games next year? Can he make an impact?

[Vader]

So despite disproving that at AFL level, the coaching group fails to update their view. No wonder guys who are hopelessly out of form get selected week after week. We run a belief based football dept.

Or maybe the coaches see him day in day out, and know what his kicking is like 95% of the time, while the fans focus on the 5% of the time where he does actually hit a target and say "his kicking is fine"?

Maybe.. I don't know. What I do know is that he did hit a number of good targets in 2015. Prior to that, he was lucky if his kicks landed in the same postcode as the intended recipient. Maybe we see what we want/expect to see? Confirmation bias - same goes for the coaching staff?

 

[1970crow]

Or maybe the coaches see him day in day out, and know what his kicking is like 95% of the time, while the fans focus on the 5% of the time where he does actually hit a target and say "his kicking is fine"?

Maybe.. I don't know. What I do know is that he did hit a number of good targets in 2015. Prior to that, he was lucky if his kicks landed in the same postcode as the intended recipient. Maybe we see what we want/expect to see? Confirmation bias - same goes for the coaching staff?

I can only judge by what I see, which is only what he did at AFL level last year and a couple of preseason games a year or so back. He might miss every target at training, I have no idea. Your postcode comment is a bit odd considering you've likely only seen what I've seen which suggests any confirmation bias would be against the quality of his leg. He was inside so much he mostly handballed anyway and I'm sure I recall Walsh saying he wanted him to kick more. Which I think would come when he realises how much time he creates for himself at the top level. Experience at the level will bring that.

 

[Vader]

I can only judge by what I see, which is only what he did at AFL level last year and a couple of preseason games a year or so back. He might miss every target at training, I have no idea. Your postcode comment is a bit odd considering you've likely only seen what I've seen which suggests any confirmation bias would be against the quality of his leg. He was inside so much he mostly handballed anyway and I'm sure I recall Walsh saying he wanted him to kick more. Which I think would come when he realises how much time he creates for himself at the top level. Experience at the level will bring that.

As I said, last year he was good in those 10 games. At least that's the way I saw it. I think you (and most other BF fans) saw things the same way. The coaches may have seen things differently.

Prior to that, I can't remember him hitting a target. I can remember seeing him kick it OOTF three times in a single game (pre-season from memory) and I can also remember him missing multiple targets by 20+m - challenging when you're only kicking it 35m, but he achieved it with stunning regularity. That's why his 2015 kicking skills were such a revelation - they were a complete reversal of everything we'd ever seen from him.

Experience & confidence can only count for so much. They will give you the time and composure to kick with a degree of confidence, rather than feeling like you're constantly rushing and/or under pressure. Neither will help if your kicking technique is just plain awful - which, unfortunately, is where I think his problem lies.

 

[Tex200]

I saw quite a bit of CEY in 2014 and concluded that he could actually kick very well....over long distances. His problems were hitting targets around 30m, something wasn't quite working when he had to take something off the kick.

The other thing that stood out as AFL standard was his clearance work in close...a beast with really quick and clever hands

I was very surprised at how his short kicking improved early in 2015.

I'm not really sure how to explain it but it's almost like when you see a kid develop gross motor skills well before fine motor skills.

It's taken a while but I have a feeling the body is just about ready to execute on what the mind intends

 

[Pugsley]

I saw quite a bit of CEY in 2014 and concluded that he could actually kick very well....over long distances. His problems were hitting targets around 30m, something wasn't quite working when he had to take something off the kick.

The other thing that stood out as AFL standard was his clearance work in close...a beast with really quick and clever hands

I was very surprised at how his short kicking improved early in 2015.

I'm not really sure how to explain it but it's almost like when you see a kid develop gross motor skills well before fine motor skills.

It's taken a while but I have a feeling the body is just about ready to execute on what the mind intends

He's a graceful gazelle about to explore his inner beauty. I may have let my mind wonder there

 

[footy4ever]

Neither. It was an assistant.

Pretty much.
"Why didn't CEY keep getting games?"
"Because he can't kick."

Surprises me considering the amount of times i recall him pinpointing Tex between defenders and slotting some nice goals.

This!

 

[Pugsley]

This!

Might have been Ryan O'Keefe watching on his bike from afar.

 

[Tex200]

He's a graceful gazelle about to explore his inner beauty. I may have let my mind wonder there

Ha ha - yeah I had to edit my post after re reading it....I'd drifted into the w...er zone!!**


**in before the rush that I'm always in the w...er zone

 

[Pugsley]

Ha ha - yeah I had to edit my post after re reading it....I'd drifted into the w...er zone!!**


**in before the rush that I'm always in the w...er zone

It's got me through many a lonely night

 

[TexForPM]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-...c-training-regime-to-break-into-adelaide-side
CEY trying his best to own that spot in the midfield. Good lad.. Putting himself in the best possible position.

 

[MRB37]

I saw quite a bit of CEY in 2014 and concluded that he could actually kick very well....over long distances. His problems were hitting targets around 30m, something wasn't quite working when he had to take something off the kick.

The other thing that stood out as AFL standard was his clearance work in close...a beast with really quick and clever hands

I was very surprised at how his short kicking improved early in 2015.

I'm not really sure how to explain it but it's almost like when you see a kid develop gross motor skills well before fine motor skills.

It's taken a while but I have a feeling the body is just about ready to execute on what the mind intends

Rewatching the Brisbane game there were a few moments where you'd thought the ball was stuck in a big pile of players and CEY grabbed it and fired out a quick handpass through traffic and find a Crow on the outside.

 

[jenny61_99]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-...c-training-regime-to-break-into-adelaide-side
CEY trying his best to own that spot in the midfield. Good lad.. Putting himself in the best possible position.

Certainly looks very fit. Glad to see he still has the desire to make it after all this time.

 

[GameofSloanes]

In response to the thread title: Probably 22. And probably not. But I hope he does, and I like that he's done some extra training to make the most of himself.

 

[DD#23]

So despite disproving that at AFL level, the coaching group fails to update their view. No wonder guys who are hopelessly out of form get selected week after week. We run a belief based football dept.

it's the Mackay effect in reverse

 

[Vader]

In response to the thread title: Probably 22. And probably not. But I hope he does, and I like that he's done some extra training to make the most of himself.

Do you really think he'll be allowed to play 22 games if he's unable to make an impact?

 

[GameofSloanes]

So despite disproving that at AFL level, the coaching group fails to update their view. No wonder guys who are hopelessly out of form get selected week after week. We run a belief based football dept.

My knock on him isn't his kicking, he's a pretty good kick for goal, it's the almost complete lack of defensive effort or 2 way running. Just swans around looking like he can't be bothered. Even worse than Thommo

 

[GameofSloanes]

Do you really think he'll be allowed to play 22 games if he's unable to make an impact?

Possibly, plenty of other selections make as much sense as that.
Look, he'll have the odd good game which will keep him in the frame. But I struggle to see who we'd replace him with anyway, it's like we've got 2 season ending injuries in the mids from round 1, forcing us to play depth. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[Pugsley]

Campo, can't possibly ignore him. He is doing all the right things and I think Don would have noted it as well.


Scott, your opinion may not be needed if Cam keeps this up.

 

[TooFar]

I for one really want him to succeed. I believe, given the right opportunity, he will.

 

[BRL121]

My knock on him isn't his kicking, he's a pretty good kick for goal, it's the almost complete lack of defensive effort or 2 way running. Just swans around looking like he can't be bothered. Even worse than Thommo

I call it "laconic".

 

[Alwaysacrow]

I knew one of his threads would be bumped. It's make or break for him just as he said. Hopefully he can stay injury free, if he does and has a really good pre-season it would be crazy not to have in round 1 considering the effort he's gone to on his own time and also the state of our MF. What he does with opportunity is up to him I guess. I think (hope) he'll be given a decent go, it's not like we've got a plethora of inside mid options anymore.

 

[Damp Squarie]

Quite a few in my circles reckon he's SANFL at best.
I like his height if he can consolidate a midfield spot, its not something we have in there, skills are OK ( I remember back when he laced out a few medium length passes to Walker ) maybe this will really help him breakthrough.

 

[Mike Smyth]

Can we trade him for Lyons. Very average footballer - should fit in quite well.

 

[fabs33]

I call it "laconic".

I wouldn't. I know what you mean because that word gets used around these parts in reference to what you're thinking of, but it doesn't actually mean what you and many others think it means.

 

[Mismatched]

Has all the tools, but needs to put it all together, great to see him doing extra effort over the break, hopefully gives him the confidence to take that next step.