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Dazb86 said:
Lol.

A work site is not a place for a dick measuring contest when it comes to safety.
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So dont measure. Just because you see me using my dick and you are not as well equipped, doesnt mean there should be rules against me using my dick.
 
vealesy said:
So dont measure. Just because you see me using my dick and you are not as well equipped, doesnt mean there should be rules against me using my dick.
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Just don't complain or bignote yourself when others don't want to take the same short cuts you are pulling off and it's all gravy.

I worked domestic for 8 years. Know how it is.
 

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vealesy said:
Not a sparky.

And i dont lift too much these days. Im disabled now. Still lift what i can.

And im not in an office because i never want to be. My job does require a functioning brain.
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You have no idea the difference between a functioning brain in the office vs tools.

There is no comparison - your job is easy.

Deal with it.
 
vealesy said:
Lol?

Thats an insult?
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Actually no, we all need each other to build anything at the end of the day.
I'm actually a firm advocate of breaking down the us vs them mentality as I know the pros/cons of both sides.

But I definitely feel there is resentment from the majority of blokes on the tools towards staff who are not full time on site.

It disappoints me to say the least.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
Tragedy. Nobody should ever go to work and not come home.
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Agree and while i may be biased as i work in the industry and am a Union supporter, IF Grocon is found to be negligent in a way that contributed to this mans death they need to be taken to the cleaners.

The worst news is the fact that this mans wife and family are getting a knock at the door by Police today or the worst phone call you could ever imagine informing them of this tragedy. :( :thumbsdown:
 
mantis said:
How come the poor man wasn't wearing a harness, I thought that was compulsory for people working off the ground?
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You only need a harness if you are working close to a live edge ( Unprotected fall / Drop off etc ). The man in question was using a scaffold to gain access to his crane which he drives everyday. Scaffolds that are complete are meant to be safe to use for walkways/access and working platforms so who knows what happened at this stage and how he fell from the scaffold.
 
Chism said:
You only need a harness if you are working close to a live edge ( Unprotected fall / Drop off etc ). The man in question was using a scaffold to gain access to his crane which he drives everyday. Scaffolds that are complete are meant to be safe to use for walkways/access and working platforms so who knows what happened at this stage and how he fell from the scaffold.
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Still thought he'd have to wear a harness, attached to the scaffolding.
 

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Chism said:
Agree and while i may be biased as i work in the industry and am a Union supporter, IF Grocon is found to be negligent in a way that contributed to this mans death they need to be taken to the cleaners.

The worst news is the fact that this mans wife and family are getting a knock at the door by Police today or the worst phone call you could ever imagine informing them of this tragedy. :( :thumbsdown:
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The penalties for any company that is culpable in an employee’s death are very severe. This will be no different if that is the case.
 
When I read the sad news this morning I knew this thread would be bumped.

'It's too early to play the blame game...' & 'If the company....' is just 'I'm not racist but...' in a different context.

If you feel the need to pass comment on a tragic death before the reasons behind it have come to light don't hide behind platitudes.
 
Scotland said:
When I read the sad news this morning I knew this thread would be bumped.

'It's too early to play the blame game...' & 'If the company....' is just 'I'm not racist but...' in a different context.

If you feel the need to pass comment on a tragic death before the reasons behind it have come to light don't hide behind platitudes.
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WTF are you talking about?
 
mantis said:
Still thought he'd have to wear a harness, attached to the scaffolding.
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No.

Complete scaffolds are equipped with safe decks to walk on and handrails all around whilst having stair access or ladder access's to get to higher levels etc. ALL scaffolds are meant to be signed off by a competent ticketed scaffolder before use or they are out of bounds until they have the safety tag attached informing others that it is safe to use. Unless you actually climbed through the handrails or removed walking planks and/or handrail barriers themselves it would be impossible to fall from one.

For the record all scaffold components should be checked for wear and tear as clips do break off over time and fracture etc and who knows what happened with this poor guy today. I am not going to go into what sort of safety checks Grollo has on their sites and the quality of people erecting the scaffolds as it is useless until we know what happened.

CFMEU will be all over this though and rightly so. Every fear they had for this site just became reality. :thumbsdown:
 
Scotland said:
When I read the sad news this morning I knew this thread would be bumped.

'It's too early to play the blame game...' & 'If the company....' is just 'I'm not racist but...' in a different context.

If you feel the need to pass comment on a tragic death before the reasons behind it have come to light don't hide behind platitudes.
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Of course it is going to be bumped when the safety concerns and unqualified labour of this site were what lead to the picket line in the first place and now we have a worker killed.

Are we not allowed to discuss this now??? An honest family working man was killed today.
 
Chism said:
No.

Complete scaffolds are equipped with safe decks to walk on and handrails all around whilst having stair access or ladder access's to get to higher levels etc. ALL scaffolds are meant to be signed off by a competent ticketed scaffolder before use or they are out of bounds until they have the safety tag attached informing others that it is safe to use. Unless you actually climbed through the handrails or removed walking planks and/or handrail barriers themselves it would be impossible to fall from one.

For the record all scaffold components should be checked for wear and tear as clips do break off over time and fracture etc and who knows what happened with this poor guy today. I am not going to go into what sort of safety checks Grollo has on their sites and the quality of people erecting the scaffolds as it is useless until we know what happened.

CFMEU will be all over this though and rightly so. Every fear they had for this site just became reality. :thumbsdown:
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Thanks for that info.

I agree that if Grollo was responsible for this tragic death, then they should be taken to the cleaners. Profits should never compromise worker safety.
 

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While you're experienced in the field Chism, 'impossible' is incorrect.

Its completely possible for somebody to fall from scaffolding.

Its extremely unlikely that someone would fall if they are taking the neccessery safety precautions, but not impossible. It is more likely if the worker cut corners, or the scaffolding was not safe for use.

I've worked from heights and the amount of corners I've seen cut from 'experienced' workers made me shudder at night. I hope this isnt the case, but either way, someone will be blamed.

You can take a risk 1 million times without fault, but 1 million and 1 and be killed for it, its impossible for you to know when the one time is coming. Be safe on the workplace.
 
Chism said:
Of course it is going to be bumped when the safety concerns and unqualified labour of this site were what lead to the picket line in the first place and now we have a worker killed.

Are we not allowed to discuss this now??? An honest family working man was killed today.
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Discuss all you want, but have the balls to stand by your convictions.

If you think it's Grocon's fault, then say so.
 
It would also strike me as pretty strange that all of the striking effort they made re safety, to just jump back into the work place if it was still unsafe. Adds clause to the 'other motives' angle that Grocon put forward

IF (an extremely strong if) the site or scaffolding was unsafe and this man was so experienced, given that theyve shown the union take safety so seriously, why was he using the scaffolding at all? Why no more action?
 
Scotland said:
Discuss all you want, but have the balls to stand by your convictions.

If you think it's Grocon's fault, then say so.
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You can't say it is anyones fault until a report comes out from worksafe highlighting what went wrong. I have never said it is Grocons fault so do not put words into my mouth. I stated the truth that the CFMEU had safety concerns for this site and that was it, now a worker is dead. Those are facts, not rumors or opinions.

Draw whatever long bow you want.
 
Chism said:
You can't say it is anyones fault until a report comes out from worksafe highlighting what went wrong. I have never said it is Grocons fault so do not put words into my mouth. I stated the truth that the CFMEU had safety concerns for this site and that was it and now a worker is dead.
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You and I both know what you're implying through the tone of your posts.
 

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