Challenge to board

[Wally07]

Have it from a very reliable source that a petition for an extra ordinary meeting to challenge the board is already well advanced and will proceed unless the board acts decisively and sacks either Wallace or Miller. For my money it will be Miller he is the one who was elected to the board on a platform of stability – which obviously means no change or progress. Whose holding Miller to account for the pitiful performance of the football department apparently no one – things are just too cosy at the top.

 

[Richo for PM]

whats ur very reliable source?

 

[sante]

Thought I'd say this so I didn't have to see it from someone else...


Sauce?


Ah, someone beat me...

 

[Richo for PM]

lol sorry mate

 

[krustyman]

A good boot in the butt, will kick them into action to start trying to win games, instead of just playing the kids so they get games under their belt.

 

[sante]

A good boot in the butt, will kick them into action to start trying to win games, instead of just playing the kids so they get games under their belt.

Where has that got us?

 

[Richo for PM]

Have it from a very reliable source that a petition for an extra ordinary meeting to challenge the board is already well advanced and will proceed unless the board acts decisively and sacks either Wallace or Miller. For my money it will be Miller he is the one who was elected to the board on a platform of stability – which obviously means no change or progress. Whose holding Miller to account for the pitiful performance of the football department apparently no one – things are just too cosy at the top.

i have a pretty reliable source aswell that the board has complete faith in wallace and miller and have no intentions to sack them at all.
culling people is not the answer just because we lose one game by a massive margin

 

[starkravenmad2]

whats ur very reliable source?

PRE...LOL

 

[French Tiger]

A good boot in the butt, will kick them into action to start trying to win games, instead of just playing the kids so they get games under their belt.

People need to make up their minds! A week or 2 ago all i heard was "just play the kids" now when we do & get flogged it was a mistake! Not saying you were one of them Krustyman,but we all need to make a choice & go with it!

 

[Darth_Tiger]

if this happens and they succeed i suggest we all find new teams to follow or give up football entirely because our club will be doomed to follow the same path forever or will fold before long.

 

[Bojangles17]

wont happen, in fact they changed the constitution so that I think 5% of membership needs to support a petition rather than 100 or so that happened last time

 

[lids2004roar]

God I hope you are wrong, the club needs stability and security, not more turmoil.

Miller said the off field was already a premiership team, so I hope your source is wrong.

 

[Rodgerramjet]

Have it from a very reliable source that a petition for an extra ordinary meeting to challenge the board is already well advanced and will proceed unless the board acts decisively and sacks either Wallace or Miller. For my money it will be Miller he is the one who was elected to the board on a platform of stability – which obviously means no change or progress. Whose holding Miller to account for the pitiful performance of the football department apparently no one – things are just too cosy at the top.

Well Wally you should tell yourself, umm source, that this is the sort of crap that is absolutely unnecessary at this stage. If you want to see us down for the next hundred years by all means proceed.

 

[Weaver]

Any EGM is cowardice if you don't put up alternatives.

It is childish vandalism to simply tear something down without plans to replace it.

If the internet warriors want to put up some names and let us make informed decisions let them.

The mantra of the Richmond 'rebellion' - "What do we want? We don't know. When do we want it? Now ... or soon."

 

[lids2004roar]

Any EGM is cowardice if you don't put up alternatives.

It is childish vandalism to simply tear something down without plans to replace it.

If the internet warriors want to put up some names and let us make informed decisions let them.

The mantra of the Richmond 'rebellion' - "What do we want? We don't know. When do we want it? Now ... or soon."

Brilliant!

 

[1980]

Any EGM is cowardice if you don't put up alternatives.

It is childish vandalism to simply tear something down without plans to replace it.

If the internet warriors want to put up some names and let us make informed decisions let them.

The mantra of the Richmond 'rebellion' - "What do we want? We don't know. When do we want it? Now ... or soon."

Fair call.

So let us have your assessment of Greg Miller's performance.

 

[Weaver]

So let us have your assessment of Greg Miller's performance.

He is Football Manager / recruiter. How many Football Manager's in the league can most people name? Where does this notion that he is the second coming and key man come from? Our desperation to have a saviour ... we over-estimated his role and now are condemning him for failing to meet our own overblown expectations.

He kept Frawley the extra-year to take the pain and buy one year for rebuilding.

He delivered Wallace who is a high-profile guy with a lot going for him.

He navigated his way through the last boardroom ruckas and quietly engineered the change we needed (March for Casey) without bloodletting.

He has proven he can deliver proven players in Johnson and Brown, and worked some key moves in adding Simmonds and Polak.

We have gone from a club which played with short-lists and minimal rookies to being able to afford a full compliment.

We have restructured the recruiting department.

We have resisted the temptation of the past to change strategies at the first hurdle. To continually begin rebuilding policies and then dump them. We are sticking with this one.

We are beginning to show signs of addressing the culture at Richmond by handing out suspensions, punishing mediocrity and retiring complacent blokes.

There is a body of fans who think you can sack and hire 30 players a year. Our list management has been as aggressive as common sense and AFL rules allow.

Rodan might prove to be a mistake. But at least we are making decisions instead of being frightened of making any calls.

Miller and his team have gotten more right than wrong and are at least working to a plan for the first time in 20 years.

 

[1980]

He is Football Manager / recruiter. How many Football Manager's in the league can most people name? Where does this notion that he is the second coming and key man come from? Our desperation to have a saviour ... we over-estimated his role and now are condemning him for failing to meet our own overblown expectations.

He kept Frawley the extra-year to take the pain and buy one year for rebuilding.

He delivered Wallace who is a high-profile guy with a lot going for him.

He navigated his way through the last boardroom ruckas and quietly engineered the change we needed (March for Casey) without bloodletting.

He has proven he can deliver proven players in Johnson and Brown, and worked some key moves in adding Simmonds and Polak.

We have gone from a club which played with short-lists and minimal rookies to being able to afford a full compliment.

We have restructured the recruiting department.

We have resisted the temptation of the past to change strategies at the first hurdle. To continually begin rebuilding policies and then dump them. We are sticking with this one.

We are beginning to show signs of addressing the culture at Richmond by handing out suspensions, punishing mediocrity and retiring complacent blokes.

There is a body of fans who think you can sack and hire 30 players a year. Our list management has been as aggressive as common sense and AFL rules allow.

Rodan might prove to be a mistake. But at least we are making decisions instead of being frightened of making any calls.

Miller and his team have gotten more right than wrong and are at least working to a plan for the first time in 20 years.

3 years after Frawley, and 5 since Miller came aboard, we are getting flogged worse than we were under both KB and Walls, and going to put another wooden spoon in the cabinet

Dont tell us Miller has been good for us since the day he came aboard, nor that he has not had plenty of time to make more positive changes than errors. According to you, a club needs 10 years to rebuild.

Well how many years of rebuilding did it take the saints? How many years between Blight's sacking, Thomas appointment, before they were consistent finals participants?

Does it make Miller a football god because he got Brown anymore that it makes Waldron a god because he got Gehrig?

No team in VFL or AFL history has had to undergoe a more significant change of culture than the Saints. How many of their marquee players were moved on (Everitt, Lowe)???

Judge Miller against that

This notion that you need a blank cheque in number of years to take a team from wooden spoons to finals is more about keeping your job longer, than it is about doing your job.

 

[Weaver]

Dont tell us Miller has been good for us since the day he came aboard, nor that he has not had plenty of time to make more positive changes than errors. According to you, a club needs 10 years to rebuild.

A club needs 10 years to build from scratch. Less time to rebuild.

People keep saying we are rebuilding - REBUILDING? We had no bloody building. This ain't a successful team being reshaped and refreshed. It is the worst team in the league for the last 20 years.

We are like a building site. In the first couple of years we patched up the existing building and made do. A whole lot of building materials were delivered to the building site in anticipation of the building work.

Now we are tearing down the old building and beginning to erect the new.

Well how many years of rebuilding did it take the saints? How many years between Blight's sacking, Thomas appointment, before they were consistent finals participants?

Saints made the finals in 97 and 98. They then had 5 years of Watson, Blight and Thomas where their best finish was 10th.

Jurasic - Harvey
1996 - Hudghton, Thompson
1997 -
1998 - Baker, Hayes
1999 - Blake
2000 - Reiwoldt, Koschitzke, Gehrig, Hamill
2001 - Voss, Ball, X. Clarke, Dal Santo, Maguire, Montagna
2002 - Goddard, L.Fisher, Brooks
2003 - Gram, Guerra, R.Clarke, S.Fisher
2004 - Fiora, McQualter, Gwilt
2005 -
2006 - M.Clarke

So after drafting well in 2000-01 they finished 3rd in 2004. 4 seasons after their good draft.

Our good draft was in 2004-05. So check back in 2008-9.

No team in VFL or AFL history has had to undergoe a more significant change of culture than the Saints. How many of their marquee players were moved on (Everitt, Lowe)???

And still they have only won 2 finals from 6 attempts.

This notion that you need a blank cheque in number of years to take a team from wooden spoons to finals is more about keeping your job longer, than it is about doing your job.

Were St Kilda to win a premiership this year - you'd go back to Baker and Hayes in 1998 and see that it was a 10-year project.

In contrast at Richmond it is that 2000-01 group who aren't getting the job done. That is the group that are hurting us and that pre-dates Miller.

Jurasic - Richardson, J.Bowden
1996 - (Gaspar)
1997 -
1998 - Hall, Tivendale
1999 -
2000 - Newman, Coughlan, Pettifer, Hyde, Krakouer
2001 - Hyde
2002 - Johnson, Schulz
2003 - Tuck, Raines, Brown, (Jackson), (Moore)
2004 - Deledio, Tambling, (Meyer), (Pattison), (McGuane), Polo, Simmonds
2005 - Oakley-Nicholls, Foley, Hughes, (P.Bowden), (White)
2006 - Polak, (Reiwoldt), (Collins), (Connors), (Edwards)

 

[David3030]

2001 was the first so called super draft and we chose to top up our list as our club at the time thought we were close to reaching the top as we had just finished third ...

Admittedly we would not have been able to draft Hodge, Ball or Judd but we would have had the opportunity to draft a 1st round pick but we traded it away.

Unfortunately we are hamstrung now as we need to finish at or near the bottom, especially in a year where there is another super draft so we can top up with class players. Unfortunately, from what I hear, that is not this year.

2006 we kept our firsy round pick, we were going to pick Riewoldt with pick 8 anyway and managed to get Polak at the same time ... the jury will tell on this one but that is still 2 or 3 years away from now.

 

[tigerT]

The way richmond react to a poor year will go a long way in shaping our future. Go the stereo-typical richmond route and make lots of noise, wreak havoc and sack someone high profile and we consign ourselves to more of the same for a long long time... If that happens then Im out bc there is no way back. A kick up the bum might give you a bit of short term success, remember gieschen? then what? more of the same BS with no-body wanting to touch the club with a 10 foot pole.

Stop making us the laughing stock of the AFL with all this blood-leting BS, just let them do their job. Our kids cant go from hopefuls to duds bc of one shocking result, remember the crowing about how rosy the future looked when we almost over ran both last years grand finalists? grow up

 

[1980]

A club needs 10 years to build from scratch. Less time to rebuild.

People keep saying we are rebuilding - REBUILDING? We had no bloody building. This ain't a successful team being reshaped and refreshed. It is the worst team in the league for the last 20 years.

We are like a building site. In the first couple of years we patched up the existing building and made do. A whole lot of building materials were delivered to the building site in anticipation of the building work.

Now we are tearing down the old building and beginning to erect the new.




Saints made the finals in 97 and 98. They then had 5 years of Watson, Blight and Thomas where their best finish was 10th.

Jurasic - Harvey
1996 - Hudghton, Thompson
1997 -
1998 - Baker, Hayes
1999 - Blake
2000 - Reiwoldt, Koschitzke, Gehrig, Hamill
2001 - Voss, Ball, X. Clarke, Dal Santo, Maguire, Montagna
2002 - Goddard, L.Fisher, Brooks
2003 - Gram, Guerra, R.Clarke, S.Fisher
2004 - Fiora, McQualter, Gwilt
2005 -
2006 - M.Clarke

So after drafting well in 2000 & 01 they finished 3rd in 2004.

Our good draft was in 2004-05. So check back in 2008-9.


And still they have only won 2 finals from 6 attempts.


Were St Kilda to win a premiership this year - you'd go back to Baker and Hayes in 1998 and see that it was a 10-year project.

In contrast at Richmond it is that 2000-01 group who aren't getting the job done. That is the group that are hurting us and that pre-dates Miller.

Jurasic - Richardson, J.Bowden
1996 - (Gaspar)
1997 -
1998 - Hall, Tivendale
1999 -
2000 - Newman, Coughlan, Pettifer, Hyde, Krakouer
2001 - Hyde
2002 - Johnson, Schulz
2003 - Tuck, Raines, Brown, (Jackson), (Moore)
2004 - Deledio, Tambling, (Meyer), (Pattison), (McGuane), Polo, Simmonds
2005 - Oakley-Nicholls, Foley, Hughes, (P.Bowden), (White)
2006 - Polak, (Reiwoldt), (Collins), (Connors), (Edwards)

So after drafting well in 2000 and 2001, the Saints went on to compete in a finals series in 2004 and have competed in 6 final series altogether.

Miller since joining the club in 2002, will gift our club another wooden spoon in 2007.

Just try and say the Saints didnt need as much rebuilding in 2000 and 2001 as we did in 2002/03. Some of remember how rock bottom they were under watson and how much strife the entire club was when Blight got the sack.

Based on what Greg Miller has contributed to our club since 2002, we need a younger, more energetic, less political, less media driven, less self interested man in his position.

 

[thegrach]

The funny part about this is that a lot of non-Richmond supporters are saying we should sack the coach and Miller, but these are the same people who often say we eat our own, and point out our coaching record of the last 25 years. Pisses me off. I think we have to fully commit to what the plan is, otherwise the chances of success are greatly diminished.

 

[jimmy15_]

The last few posts from Weaver have been simply brilliant, anyone who thinks we should do what we normally do in this situation in the past and sack the key figures at our football club clearly have no logical thinking. A bit more patience, and show some ability to bounce back from adversity, don't become a typical tigers supporter as the rest of the footballing community now see us, Miller and Wallace are trying to change the culture of our club, unfortunately they aren't able to change the culture of our supporters as easily. So why don't we try and stick together for once, because what doesn't kill our club, will make it stronger. And at this point in time alot of supporters are calling for moves which could kill our club.

 

[1980]

The last few posts from Weaver have been simply brilliant, anyone who thinks we should do what we normally do in this situation in the past and sack the key figures at our football club clearly have no logical thinking. A bit more patience, and show some ability to bounce back from adversity, don't become a typical tigers supporter as the rest of the footballing community now see us, Miller and Wallace are trying to change the culture of our club, unfortunately they aren't able to change the culture of our supporters as easily. So why don't we try and stick together for once, because what doesn't kill our club, will make it stronger. And at this point in time alot of supporters are calling for moves which could kill our club.

Name me how many times in the past 20 years we have sacked key figures???

The only time I can recall was when Northey was coach, Daphne was president, and we cleared out the board. And then went on to play a finals series in 95.

We should be sacking key figures. We shouldnt be sacking coaches.