Unofficial Preview Changes and Early Discussion Vs Saints

[Perrip]

After this weekend, in terms of clear best 23 players, only Starce on it really.

Good to see Kai off the injury list as well

 

[Gadzorks]

No Bruce or Smith for Saints clash.
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Smith's concussion lingering is a worry.

 

[Section 5]

No Bruce or Smith for Saints clash.
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I never like those TBC
They can extend a long time.
At least Lohmann is not on the list.

 

[Perrip]

Smith's concussion lingering is a worry.

He got concussed again in the VFL this weekend.

 

[dlanod]

Smith's concussion lingering is a worry.

New one.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Balance seems to be off without Starce. I think we need that extra lock down defender with Answerth. I don't know who we've got at a good enough level to do it. Is that a role that Brain could handle? Do we need Ah Chee to slot in as the 7th defender for a while? Doedee could if he was fit and confident. A few games short of that at the moment. I lean towards Ah Chee. I think the negating role on halfbacks he's done as a fwd, transfers better into the back 7 and the role needed.

After watching Doedee in the VFL last week, I think he absolutely should be in the team against St Kilda. He wasn't at his best, but he wasn't afraid of contact either, he fought hard for the ball. I firmly believe he's the answer to the Starce-shaped hole in our defence right now.

 

[mpal6]

After watching Doedee in the VFL last week, I think he absolutely should be in the team against St Kilda. He wasn't at his best, but he wasn't afraid of contact either, he fought hard for the ball. I firmly believe he's the answer to the Starce-shaped hole in our defence right now.

If that's his first game back in 2 years, not worth rushing him.
He would be better off building some match fitness for 3-4 games.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

If that's his first game back in 2 years, not worth rushing him.
He would be better off building some match fitness for 3-4 games.

Actually that was his second game this season, he played against Richmond too.

 

[Dalions]

If that's his first game back in 2 years, not worth rushing him.
He would be better off building some match fitness for 3-4 games.

It was his second game but they were 3 weeks apart or something because of the crazy scheduling.

 

[blueiris]

What are the chances Day actually has a good game for once he got smashed in the ruck last week a massive reason we lost every clearance when day was in the ruck surely he gets a run at VFL level soon

 

[Section 5]

What are the chances Day actually has a good game for once he got smashed in the ruck last week a massive reason we lost every clearance when day was in the ruck surely he gets a run at VFL level soon

Are you not tired of the Day criticism especially when he was in the middle group of our best and worse players.
I am happy for Day to keep his spot but if Fagan chooses someone else than that's fine with me also.

He was far from our worst forward but got beaten in the ruck contest against Cox.

Result Cox 8 H/O (4 to advantage) to Day 1 (0 to advantage).
I might point out Oscar only had 17 hit outs with 4 hit outs to advantage. So, both rucks were well beaten.

Cox: 8 Disposals 2 marks 0 goals
Day: 14 disposals 8 marks 1 goal

 

[Section 5]

BRISBANE

PLAYER	INJURY	ESTIMATED RETURN
Keidean Coleman	Knee	1-2 weeks
Lincoln McCarthy	Knee	TBC
Bruce Reville	Hamstring	3-4 weeks
Henry Smith	Concussion	TBC
Brandon Starcevich	Concussion	TBC
Updated: April 22, 2025

In the mix​

After three weeks on the sidelines, Kai Lohmann should return to the fold for Saturday's game against St Kilda at Marvel Stadium. His inclusion would be a timely boost to a forward line that was starved of opportunities against Collingwood last week. Darcy Fort was magnificent in the VFL on Good Friday, and along with untried Ty Gallop (four goals), is keeping pressure on the senior tall forwards, although they played well from limited chances against the Magpies. – Michael Whiting

SAINTS

PLAYER	INJURY	ESTIMATED RETURN
Dan Butler	Achilles	2-3 weeks
Jack Carroll	Hamstring	Test
Hunter Clark	Abdominal	Test
Zaine Cordy	Pectoral	3 months
Paddy Dow	Knee	TBC
Dougal Howard	Shoulder	Test
Max King	Knee	TBC
Mattaes Phillipou	Leg	1-2 weeks
Patrick Said	Calf	2-3 weeks
Updated: April 22, 2025

In the mix​

Howard could be available for the first time in 2025 after recovering from a shoulder reconstruction at the start of the year. Clark and Carroll are also pushing to be available. King underwent a knee arthroscope last week and won't return anytime soon. Tobie Travaglia went back to Sandringham and impressed with 26 disposals and two goals. Hugh Boxshall continues to hunt a debut after finishing with 33 touches, 11 clearances and nine tackles. – Josh Gabelich

 

[Dalions]

Are you not tired of the Day criticism especially when he was in the middle group of our best and worse players.
I am happy for Day to keep his spot but if Fagan chooses someone else than that's fine with me also.

He was far from our worst forward but got beaten in the ruck contest against Cox.

Result Cox 8 H/O (4 to advantage) to Day 1 (0 to advantage).
I might point out Oscar only had 17 hit outs with 4 hit outs to advantage. So, both rucks were well beaten.

Cox: 8 Disposals 2 marks 0 goals
Day: 14 disposals 8 marks 1 goal

We were comprehensively beaten in the middle of the ground.
Ruck was only one part of the problem.
Mids were so reactive and over committal to the ball leaving too many of their players free on the outside. And nothing was done to fix this as the night wore on, in fact it got worse.

 

[GenericUsername202]

Personally, i'm looking forward to seeing kiddy rejoin the team. I feel like we were at our most dominant when he was in our squad. He gives us something that no one else can replicate coming from the backline and his kicking precision is elite.

 

[mpal6]

Personally, i'm looking forward to seeing kiddy rejoin the team. I feel like we were at our most dominant when he was in our squad. He gives us something that no one else can replicate coming from the backline and his kicking precision is elite.

Just to temper expectations, year back from ACL is usually a slow year (unless you are Will Ashcroft of course)

 

[Section 5]

We were comprehensively beaten in the middle of the ground.
Ruck was only one part of the problem.
Mids were so reactive and over committal to the ball leaving too many of their players free on the outside. And nothing was done to fix this as the night wore on, in fact it got worse.

Thats true all our midfielders were off their usual game. Midfield includes rucks and wings.
Result a tick over 9 I50's for each quarter.
Near impossible to win a game with those numbers.
Reset this week and we will see if things have changed.

 

[blueiris]

Are you not tired of the Day criticism especially when he was in the middle group of our best and worse players.
I am happy for Day to keep his spot but if Fagan chooses someone else than that's fine with me also.

He was far from our worst forward but got beaten in the ruck contest against Cox.

Result Cox 8 H/O (4 to advantage) to Day 1 (0 to advantage).
I might point out Oscar only had 17 hit outs with 4 hit outs to advantage. So, both rucks were well beaten.

Cox: 8 Disposals 2 marks 0 goals
Day: 14 disposals 8 marks 1 goal

Do you think he’s had a good game yet? Fort showed more in round 1 than Day has shown in all of his 4 games Day isn’t a ruck anymore than he’s a forward. Fages is stubborn though Day needs VFL to work on he’s game

 

[mpal6]

Do you think he’s had a good game yet? Fort showed more in round 1 than Day has shown in all of his 4 games Day isn’t a ruck anymore than he’s a forward. Fages is stubborn though Day needs VFL to work on he’s game

Day had a personal tragedy and has come back to play for the team. He's playing his role every week and steadily improving as well.

If we know anything about our coach after all these years, he'll be the last person to drop Day under these circumstances. Day has to do something completely non-negotiable like pull out of a contest, give away repeated frees by losing his mind on the field or give up too easy early in the game for Fagan to even consider anything like dropping him.

 

[blueiris]

Day had a personal tragedy and has come back to play for the team. He's playing his role every week and steadily improving as well.

If we know anything about our coach after all these years, he'll be the last person to drop Day under these circumstances. Day has to do something completely non-negotiable like pull out of a contest, give away repeated frees by losing his mind on the field or give up too easy early in the game for Fagan to even consider anything like dropping him.

As I said Stubborn I’m hopeful he proves me wrong but so far he’s yet to impress me (DAY)

 

[Johnny Bananas]

He was far from our worst forward but got beaten in the ruck contest against Cox.

Result Cox 8 H/O (4 to advantage) to Day 1 (0 to advantage).
I might point out Oscar only had 17 hit outs with 4 hit outs to advantage. So, both rucks were well beaten.

Sounds like we could use a guy who had 28 hitouts in the VFL last week then. Particularly as we're facing Marshall, a top 3 ruck in the league.

 

[Nathan Barley]

As I said Stubborn I’m hopeful he proves me wrong but so far he’s yet to impress me (DAY)

Clueless premiership coaches letting their ego get in the way of premiership success

 

[Grasshopper17]

They have started doing that with NOT15, but doesn’t help if the player taking the mark can’t hear the call.
I’m aligned with many of the media - just change the rule to 20 meters instead of 15 - then adjudicate as they currently are. They’ll still get many wrong, but it should take out the 10-meter kick being paid as a mark.

And in 10 or 20 years time we'll be having exact same discussion about how "oh the umpires don't know how to measure 20m, just make it 25m and be done with it".

History might not repeat but it often rhymes.

I still remember when the mark was only 10m.

It makes sense to be that the mark should be the same distance as the bounce.

Ultimately we need to improve the tech used in the sport to better be able to measure 15m. Or 20m. Or 50m. Or whatever other newfangled distance you want measured.

Certainly making the mark 20m will be of no benefit. If anything, it will make the umpire's decision even more difficult.

 

[Section 5]

And in 10 or 20 years time we'll be having exact same discussion about how "oh the umpires don't know how to measure 20m, just make it 25m and be done with it".

History might not repeat but it often rhymes.

I still remember when the mark was only 10m.

It makes sense to be that the mark should be the same distance as the bounce.

Ultimately we need to improve the tech used in the sport to better be able to measure 15m. Or 20m. Or 50m. Or whatever other newfangled distance you want measured.

Certainly making the mark 20m will be of no benefit. If anything, it will make the umpire's decision even more difficult.

Talking about tec.
What has happened to the chip inside the ball that was going to help out in all sorts of ways.
Trialed last year in the AFLW but i can't recall any overriding of score decisions.
You would think if the AFL thought it was working, they would be making some announcements on how it will change the game etc.

Ball-tracking tech to drive score reviews in 2024 AFLW season

The AFL's new 'smart footy' is at the centre of a new score assist system that will operate in the coming 2024 NAB AFLW season

www.afl.com.au

 

[Grasshopper17]

Talking about tec.
What has happened to the chip inside the ball that was going to help out in all sorts of ways.
Trialed last year in the AFLW but i can't recall any overriding of score decisions.
You would think if the AFL thought it was working, they would be making some announcements on how it will change the game etc.

Ball-tracking tech to drive score reviews in 2024 AFLW season

The AFL's new 'smart footy' is at the centre of a new score assist system that will operate in the coming 2024 NAB AFLW season

www.afl.com.au

It had a couple of 'mares during the AFLW season. So they have put it away for the time being.

I'd like to think they are working overtime in the background on getting it right, but the current administration seems to change their mind every 5 seconds so certainly not holding my breath.

I'm surprised the Ministry of Truth has kept that article online for you to reference.

 

[braddsey]

And in 10 or 20 years time we'll be having exact same discussion about how "oh the umpires don't know how to measure 20m, just make it 25m and be done with it".

History might not repeat but it often rhymes.

I still remember when the mark was only 10m.

It makes sense to be that the mark should be the same distance as the bounce.

Ultimately we need to improve the tech used in the sport to better be able to measure 15m. Or 20m. Or 50m. Or whatever other newfangled distance you want measured.

Certainly making the mark 20m will be of no benefit. If anything, it will make the umpire's decision even more difficult.

I don't agree. Assuming the recent crackdown is aimed at eliminating the 10-meter pass, then increasing the limit to 20-meters should help to achieve that. Given we don't have the technology to do the measurement, then the limit is an approximation anyway. 15-meters +/- 5 meters, becomes 20 meters +/- 5 meters.

The issue for me with how they've implementing a change in interpretation (or enforcement) of a rule is it now creates uncertainty for players where they have no sense of certainty that a mark will be paid - so get caught holding the ball when they expected free possession. If the AFL had implemented a rule change, then players could have adjusted game style and actions accordingly.