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[gbear]

Anyone doesn't matter, shuffle Burton etc.

The three occasions we've been heavily scored against this year has been when Jonas plays, he throws the entire defensive unit off.

He is the common denominator.

 

[gbear]

Put Jonas on Elliot and AO can be renamed the Pissbowl

Put Jonas on a plane to Siberia. Problem solved.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

Coll dont have a particularly tall forward line. Aliir, Burton and Jones is fine. You dont need Jonas

I remember looking at their team and they had genuinely 4 or 5 talls out of 23 and the rest were 6 footer types.

 

[Coobk001]

Feel sorry for the bloke, I saw him play the week before he did his knee and thought he was a guarentee'd spot in the A's - he hasn't seemed to have returned to that form as yet. I noticed he was named in the best on the weekend so wondered if I'd missed something.

He was good this weekend. He's had a couple good games, just hasn't been consistently good. Clurey and Jonas have outshone him when playing.

 

[JimmyBC]

The backline when Jonas plays.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Jonas is the Trojan, Aliir is the inspector gadget horse, Lachie Jones is the Yeti

 

[TazD]

Put Jonas on Elliot and AO can be renamed the Pissbowl

We trying to win him the Coleman?

 

[PJ Power]

Very fair shout. My point is more than Jonas is useless. He cannot do a job on any of these blokes.

Absolutely correct.
I think we do need to bring in another tall for the next three games if McKenzie isn’t fit, and would try Pasini, understanding that it may not go well.

 

[Ports1870]

If Racheles not suspended for the showdown, we should play Jonas for one sole reason

 

[afl2004]

Guys at work : "you going to the port v pies game"

Me: "if you think I'm wasting 6 hours of my free time watching tom Jonas trip over his own feet "

 

[Willsy10]

I’ve been a Jonas defender in previous seasons but he is completely past it now. He looked like a deer in the headlights all game, and constantly fumbled, got in peoples way and spoiled when he should’ve marked. It was a horribly sad final game for him. But well done on a good career and getting the absolute best out of himself and being a warrior in defence for most of his career.

The argument for Jonas was that we needed an extra tall to cover for McKenzie but Jonas isn’t even that tall and doesn’t play that tall anymore, and I feel like we’ve moved in a different direction now with the really versatile, hard running, fast defence with the likes of Jones, bergman, hell even bonner is much more useful than Jonas.

The reality is what would’ve lost had we picked burton or bonner ahead of Jonas? Nothing, it would’ve been a net gain. It made no sense to me when it was obvious before he helot dropped that he was done.

Jonas just sticks out like a sore thumb now.




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[Shaucob_Burjan]

The fact that Jonas is captain just makes everything worse.

How the **** do you set an example when you're the captain and you're getting bags kicked on you week to week and your effort level isn't there as well.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Imagine having Jonas, Hartigan and Clurey as your three mainline defenders. They'd have to replace the turf they would eat so much dirt.

 

[1954]

He is the common denominator.

Absolutely, the back 6 just falls apart when Jonas plays, I can distinctly recall Aliir remonstrating with him in one of the losses earlier this season, and even given the poor form of the team as a whole against the blue baggers the 7 or 8 goals he gave up, a number from what could only be described as B grade stuff ups may not have influenced the final result, but they definitely had a lot to do with the margin.

Further to Aliir, he is the most important player in the defence and is the one (to me) whose form appears to be the most affected when Jonas is in the line up.

If he is selected for this week's game against collingwood which unfortunately has to be on the cards, there is no obvious match up for him so unfortunately there has to be a strong chance he will be exploited again!

 

[JUSTWORK]

The fact that Jonas is captain just makes everything worse.

How the * do you set an example when you're the captain and you're getting bags kicked on you week to week and your effort level isn't there as well.

By leaving him in the SANFL, like we have for most of the year.

That sends a pretty strong message, that you don’t play (no matter who you are) if you can’t perform to the level expected.

 

[Del165198]

Jonas is the Trojan, Aliir is the inspector gadget horse, Lachie Jones is the Yeti

jase burgoyne is the guy standing on the horse
timid tom clurey is the guy riding the seal dreaming of a comeback

 

[The Hobo]

I find your positivity admirable, but it's not the loss that's the issue, that was always likely to come it's the way in which we lost, the fact a strong portion of this board predicted precisely the fall out from Thursday's selections and the team in which we lost so heavily to.

You have far more confidence in a team/ club which has repeatedly let us down after building up immense hope.

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I think all of the above are exactly why we should remain positive - regardless of if we lose again to Collingwood this week.

A number of people on this board predicted a loss this week due to the changes - most of which were forced. Yes, we can argue that if it were a final, some of those guys may have played - but that's the thing. It isn't a final. We need to manage them to get to finals and be able to play. No use flogging them to death now.

Looking at all the key metrics, we weren't beaten badly in any. What cost us this match was individual errors.

In our defensive side, Jonas was getting in peoples way, spoiling the ball into dangerous areas and losing touch with his opponent.
Bergman had possibly his worst game in a while, and some of the other blokes were slightly off too.
Lachie Jones has been excellent in his last few games and was also horrendous.
Duursma in his first game back in a long time missed numerous targets.

This causes a ripple effect through the team and panic started to set in.

Then up forward, Lord could have kicked 5, yet kicked like someone who'd never kicked a football before. Football is about momentum, and his conversion killed ours on a few occasions.

Lycett was absolutely bullied in a situation where you'd expect the opposite to occur, and Boak got clattered a number of times and was clearly sore.

Carlton came out full of fight and fire and to me, it was a bit of a perfect storm - one that may repeat this week given the opposition.

I've said a few times on this board, our biggest weakness is our reliance on 3 players in particular. Lycett, Aliir and McKenzie. If Lord can't kick at all, then Dixon is pushing into that list as a 4th. We were missing McKenzie, Lycett was clearly underdone and Dixon was out.

If we can't get these guys back fit and firing, we're cooked. But if they're on, and we don't suffer any major issues elsewhere - i'm confident we'll have a pretty successful finals campaign. (not necessarily win the thing, but will go far)

 

[The Hobo]

The fact that Jonas is captain just makes everything worse.

How the * do you set an example when you're the captain and you're getting bags kicked on you week to week and your effort level isn't there as well.

What stood out most to me is how unfit he seemed. Looked gassed after every contest. I realise there's a difference in level between SANFL and AFL, but this was very early on in the game as well.

 

[The Hobo]

The three occasions we've been heavily scored against this year has been when Jonas plays, he throws the entire defensive unit off.

This is the biggest issue - and it's not necessarily that he's doing a bad job at times. He's just so out of sync with the other defenders. Gets in their way, spoils the ball into dangerous areas etc.

It's a pretty well oiled machine back there with McKenzie and Aliir - they just know where each other are and when to get involved and when to stay out of it etc.

 

[PAFC66]

If Racheles not suspended for the showdown, we should play Jonas for one sole reason

Hes that off he'd miss him

 

[Visenfest]

As shit as we were against Carlton, I think we’ll match Collingwood. Result could go either way, but I think it’ll be close.

 

[PowerBaz]

If Racheles not suspended for the showdown, we should play Jonas for one sole reason


He is isn’t he?

 

[Interstater]

Ken - I told you to play Jonas up forward, but did you listen?

Should have been Jonas at FF, with Lord and Marshall leading off and Finlayson dropping back.

Hope you have not cost Port too much momentum with your stodgy decisions.

 

[wgt]

Lycett isn't fit. When he's fit he's legitimately the difference for us

lycett is a average ruckman at best, rarly dominates the hitouts, his round the ground work is below average and ground work at stoppage is only ok. If Dixon wasnt cooked then i'd be playing him as ruck. There is a argument to play hayes as his tap work is much better but outside of that you dont get anything from Hayes and it gives a good ruckman the opportunity to dominate around the ground in general play unless you tell Hayes that outside of ball up he tags the oppo ruckman? try an make it a 60/40 in our favour

 

[Duckimus Prime]

He is the common denominator.

Its not, because he's played in games where we weren't scored heavily against.

The common denominator has been McKenzie being out. When we had Aliir, McKenzie and Jonas we were still winning.

Thats not a defence of Jonas' performances though.