Changes dogs v GWS

[Doggies_13]

This week will be very interesting we may have been slightly too tall for a couple of games with 3 talls at each end but the giants play a tall side. Likely they run with Hogan, Cadman and Riccardi up forward with stringer and green. Whilst they generally have Taylor, Buckley and Himmilberg playing tall down back.

If there is any week to keep 3 talls each end it’s this week.

 

[Dog 36]

This week will be very interesting we may have been slightly too tall for a couple of games with 3 talls at each end but the giants play a tall side. Likely they run with Hogan, Cadman and Riccardi up forward with stringer and green. Whilst they generally have Taylor, Buckley and Himmilberg playing tall down back.

If there is any week to keep 3 talls each end it’s this week.

Have to make Taylor Buckley and Himmelberg accountable.

Naughton has struggled against GWS especially Taylor I think

 

[Brass Dog]

Come on doggies, squish those mouldy oranges!

 

[Foxman98]

Have to make Taylor Buckley and Himmelberg accountable.

Naughton has struggled against GWS especially Taylor I think

Absolutely destroyed him in Ballarat a couple years back when we choked away finals

 

[cecil]

In: Buss, VDM
Out: Darcy, McNeil

Naughton, Lobb, Khamis forward
Jones, JOD, Buss back.

Hynes to sub.

 

[Doggies7]

Why did Hogan miss last week?

calf tightness. Trained today and a test for the weekend so should be ok to play if he's fine at Thursday training.

 

[Optimistic Dog]

Bevo has had an impressive start to the season against a lot of adversity. He will need to pull a rabbit out of his hat aginst a near full strength GWS. Especially with our weaken forward line against their strong defence. We will need to win the midfield and move the ball with accuracy forward. Long bombs are not going get it done. Logic says we have to many outs to trouble the giants but the way our guys are giving everything I think we have some chance.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Medical report has Harmes as a genuine uncertainty but Vandermeer a lot more likely to play (and the obvious like-for-Iike replacement for McNeil).

I'm not convinced we rush Harmes back in.

I also don't think there's a lot of issue with making Hynes sub again given he's been subbed on early for two games in a row.

 

[scooter600x]

Let’s not forget the reason Lobb went to CHB in the first place, there was no room for him in the forward line but he was playing too well to be dropped.

 

[dogwatch]

Let’s not forget the reason Lobb went to CHB in the first place, there was no room for him in the forward line but he was playing too well to be dropped.

True, but he was a very handy B-grade player (sometimes less) as a forward.
As a defender he is in the conversation for AA squad.

I know which one I'd rather have. Especially with Liam Jones down on form.

 

[Nomad12]

True, but he was a very handy B-grade player (sometimes less) as a forward.
As a defender he is in the conversation for AA squad.

I know which one I'd rather have. Especially with Liam Jones down on form.

Spot on, I can't believe what I'm reading. A goal saved is worth as much as a goal kicked and I don't see him kicking/creating as many as he can save.

 

[Mojorisin]

True, but he was a very handy B-grade player (sometimes less) as a forward.
As a defender he is in the conversation for AA squad.

I know which one I'd rather have. Especially with Liam Jones down on form.

It's crazy to even consider but at this point I'd move Jones forward before Lobb.

 

[Golden_6]

It's crazy to even consider but at this point I'd move Jones forward before Lobb.

I don’t necessarily hate it. The one thing for certain is that we need someone with presence to support Naughton. Buku doesn’t provide that.

With Bont returning, I expect to see Kennedy play a bit more as a marking 3rd tall which is a role that he’s played before. I’d be bringing in Poulter as well to play a support role.

One of Jones or Lobb forward, Kennedy & Poulter as supporting talls with the smaller forwards is my plan. It’s very makeshift but I think we can make it work.

 

[doggy_dog]

True, but he was a very handy B-grade player (sometimes less) as a forward.
As a defender he is in the conversation for AA squad.

I know which one I'd rather have. Especially with Liam Jones down on form.

I agree with you, but let me me put this to you - how do we consistently kick a winning score when Naughton is our only real forward threat?

 

[Unorth]

Debut Buss as a forward.

 

[Philthy1]

Are people forgetting how bad Jones was as a forward?

 

[Mojorisin]

Are people forgetting how bad Jones was as a forward?

He is older now and not currently in form in defence. Although it isn't ideal I'd much prefer it then Lobb going forward. I dare say Jones would add more forward then Buku. I fully expect Gardner to come in as the forward/second ruck though.

 

[Philthy1]

He is older now and not currently in form in defence. Although it isn't ideal I'd much prefer it then Lobb going forward. I dare say Jones would add more forward then Buku. I fully expect Gardner to come in as the forward/second ruck though.

Jones is out of form because he missed a chunk of the pre-season, he is 35 and close to retirement. Moving him forward and expecting him to be a threat is wishful thinking.

It seems like there is going to have to be a compromise at the selection table, but Jones forward ain't it.

 

[Golden_6]

Are people forgetting how bad Jones was as a forward?

It’s about overall team balance. No one is expecting him to come and kick 40 goals.

The role to support Naughton is around providing a presence & contest to allow the rest of the team to do its work. We need someone to work hard and keep opposition defences accountable or we’ll see a situation where Naughton is double teamed with a heap of intercept marks.

Lobb, JOD & Buku works as a defensive trio in my book.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

The more I think about it the more I think Lobb needs to go forward. I’m really reluctant to take him out of the backline he’s been our most reliable defender for the best part of 12 months now but I just don’t see a viable alternative.

A forward line of Naughton/JOD/Buku just doesn’t have enough fire power, and we’ll get murdered in Buku’s ruck minutes. Lobb is a legitimate 35-40 goal key forward and can give good ruck support.

I think we can get away with a backline of Jones, JOD, Buku/Buss. Especially if Buss surprises us

Then who takes Hogan?

I think with Harmes back, Bont moves forward, with hopefully Vandermeer, applying pressure to their mids.

 

[lachy]

I don’t necessarily hate it. The one thing for certain is that we need someone with presence to support Naughton. Buku doesn’t provide that.

With Bont returning, I expect to see Kennedy play a bit more as a marking 3rd tall which is a role that he’s played before. I’d be bringing in Poulter as well to play a support role.

One of Jones or Lobb forward, Kennedy & Poulter as supporting talls with the smaller forwards is my plan. It’s very makeshift but I think we can make it work.

Spot on in regards to Naughton, there needs to be a genuine presence up forward or he will be double teamed if we try to isolate him or Taylor will drop off and intercept at will if we don't.

Who knows what the set up will be, however in all discussions in this thread posters are looking at Darcy as a forward. Darcy is also a more than competent second ruck and only Lobb can play that role, in fact though Lobb is not the forward Darcy is, at this stage he is a better 2nd ruck.

There is no perfect answer, however playing as a KPD reading the play is significantly less difficult than playing as a KPF making the play

 

[lachy]

Then who takes Hogan?

I think with Harmes back, Bont moves forward, with hopefully Vandermeer, applying pressure to their mids.

Form or not we have to back Jones in on Hogan

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Queue Gardiner in for Darcy to play KPF/second ruck...

 

[doggie dog]

McNeil out for 1-2 with a minor hamstring. I think a few already mentioned that.

Harmes & VDM are both tests so one or both will come in.

Did he do his hammy by smacking the ball into the private box for the goal?

 

[Struggle]

Debut Buss as a forward.

This would be the most Bevo move possible
I like it