Changes for 2nd Test

[bluespooner]

People have been saying this about Siddle for a long time now, he continues to prove them all wrong. I have the feeling people will criticise him until he retires but when push comes to shove, he is our best bowler. And as for not having an upside, well I reckon being the 5th best bowler in the world is a pretty decent upside...

Who determiness 5th best bowler? Siddle I don't think is even the 5th best bowler in this touring squad; Pattison, Agar, Harris, Bird and Starc are all more threatening bowlers.

Some bowlers get wickets just be virtue of being given the ball. If you get enough overs it increases your chances of getting wickets as a lot of the time batsmen give their wicket away. There is a big difference between the way Anderson threatened the Australian batsmen by bringing the slips into play to pick up wickets then picking a wicket up by the batsman hitting the ball of the middle of the bat to be caught in the cover point region e.g. Matt Prior in the first innings.

 

[frankrizzo]

Who determiness 5th best bowler? Siddle I don't think is even the 5th best bowler in this touring squad; Pattison, Agar, Harris, Bird and Starc are all more threatening bowlers.

Some bowlers get wickets just be virtue of being given the ball. If you get enough overs it increases your chances of getting wickets as a lot of the time batsmen give their wicket away. There is a big difference between the way Anderson threatened the Australian batsmen by bringing the slips into play to pick up wickets then picking a wicket up by the batsman hitting the ball of the middle of the bat to be caught in the cover point region e.g. Matt Prior in the first innings.

Siddle doesn't even get use of the new ball, he is the senior bloke but does the donkey work.

 

[swansfan51]

How exactly does Khawaja deserve a spot? It is no secret I think Cowan is not good enough, and his record supports that.

But Khawaja has played 11 test innings for only 1 score of 40+. 0 hundreds in his last 15 innings. Sheffield Shield average last season of under 40, with only 1 hundred. Either short term or long term, his form has not been good enough. There were better performed players at Shield level, there are players scoring runs in county cricket, there are players like Katich who have been dropped with far better test records. There is absolutely no measurement by which Khawaja deserves a call-up.

 

[frankrizzo]

Khawaja averaged 29 in his 6 tests, watto has averaged less than that for 2 years, hughes before this last match averaged 28 across his last 22 tests.

Based purely on test numbers nobody outside of clarke actually deserves a regular spot in our lineup.

 

[mediumsizered]

Who determiness 5th best bowler? Siddle I don't think is even the 5th best bowler in this touring squad; Pattison, Agar, Harris, Bird and Starc are all more threatening bowlers.

It is based on performance, in a similar way to which tennis & golf rankings are determined.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

So? Just because he bats further down the order doesn't mean he isn't a better bat.

If he batted at 3 he wouldn't do much imo

 

[bird_man]

Who determiness 5th best bowler? Siddle I don't think is even the 5th best bowler in this touring squad; Pattison, Agar, Harris, Bird and Starc are all more threatening bowlers.

Some bowlers get wickets just be virtue of being given the ball. If you get enough overs it increases your chances of getting wickets as a lot of the time batsmen give their wicket away. There is a big difference between the way Anderson threatened the Australian batsmen by bringing the slips into play to pick up wickets then picking a wicket up by the batsman hitting the ball of the middle of the bat to be caught in the cover point region e.g. Matt Prior in the first innings.

So are you saying Siddles wickets are just lucky??

 

[QPower]

Good to hear Chapelli coming off the long run about Cowan who was always a ridiculous selection.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/video_audio/651851.html?genre=1

 

[western royboy]

Good to hear Chapelli coming off the long run about Cowan who was always a ridiculous selection.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/video_audio/651851.html?genre=1

Chappelli has been white anting Cowan since day dot, this is nothing new. He feels the best bat (ala himself)should bat at 3 and be able to destroy an attack. I feel for Cowan, he's been squeezed out of his role and he's a bit like the kid playing musical chairs, when everyone sat down he had no chair.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

My XI:

Watson
Rogers
Khawaja
Hughes
Clarke
Smith
Haddin
Agar
Pattinson
Siddle
Bird

 

[swansfan51]

Chappelli has been white anting Cowan since day dot, this is nothing new. He feels the best bat (ala himself)should bat at 3 and be able to destroy an attack. I feel for Cowan, he's been squeezed out of his role and he's a bit like the kid playing musical chairs, when everyone sat down he had no chair.

Cowan as an opener averaged a mediocre 33 with 1 century from 17 tests. The fact he's played 2 games as a number 3 and still failed doesn't really change that. Lets remember the opener who was dropped, Katich, had a far superior record. So did Jaques a while ago. Phil Hughes as an opener had a higher average and 3 hundreds from the same number of tests. He has been worse than every other opening batsman we have tried, except Shaun Marsh.

 

[BILC]

Khawaja averaged 29 in his 6 tests, watto has averaged less than that for 2 years, hughes before this last match averaged 28 across his last 22 tests.

Based purely on test numbers nobody outside of clarke actually deserves a regular spot in our lineup.

Kidding yourself, Agars average is amongst the greats

Heard he can also bowl a few tweakers.

 

[Zach Package]

Good to hear Chapelli coming off the long run about Cowan who was always a ridiculous selection.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/video_audio/651851.html?genre=1

Cowan was never a ridiculous selection. The way he batted against the saffers proved to me that he's capable of playing test cricket.

However, if his role is to occupy the crease, let a lot of stuff go and generally try and make sure we're not 5/20 after the first session of a test (which he was very successful at btw, his partnership with Warner gave us solid starts often, even if they both struggled to convert their starts into massive tons)

However, you can't be an occupier of the crease and get out first ball playing a ridiculously expansive cover drive to the swinging ball, and do the same in the second innings against the part timer with the ball turning away from the bat. It's just not on.

Wouldn't surprise me either way, i think he deserves a chance to redeem himself (bear in mind he was also ill pretty much the entire test), but i'd have had Usman batting at 3 in my team for the first test anyway. He's the future, Cowan is not.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Cowan was never a ridiculous selection. The way he batted against the saffers proved to me that he's capable of playing test cricket.

However, if his role is to occupy the crease, let a lot of stuff go and generally try and make sure we're not 5/20 after the first session of a test (which he was very successful at btw, his partnership with Warner gave us solid starts often, even if they both struggled to convert their starts into massive tons)

However, you can't be an occupier of the crease and get out first ball playing a ridiculously expansive cover drive to the swinging ball, and do the same in the second innings against the part timer with the ball turning away from the bat. It's just not on.

Wouldn't surprise me either way, i think he deserves a chance to redeem himself (bear in mind he was also ill pretty much the entire test), but i'd have had Usman batting at 3 in my team for the first test anyway. He's the future, Cowan is not.

I thought the least he'd do is make them work a bit for his wicket but nah... he looked out of his depth But if he gets picked, I reckon he'll do better. Then again, he couldn't do much worse.

 

[Andronicus]

Has Warner got a specified time out of the team, or is he just not getting picked?

If no specified time, and he still isn't being picked, why hasn't he been sent home? No point keeping him there if they aren't going to pick him.

 

[Torz]

Has Warner got a specified time out of the team, or is he just not getting picked?

If no specified time, and he still isn't being picked, why hasn't he been sent home? No point keeping him there if they aren't going to pick him.

It's a 5 test series, plenty of matches he could potentially play in.

 

[The_Reaper]

Has Warner got a specified time out of the team, or is he just not getting picked?

If no specified time, and he still isn't being picked, why hasn't he been sent home? No point keeping him there if they aren't going to pick him.

Because he's in Zimbabwe and South Africa playing for Australia A.

He needs match form and match fitness to select him. He'll be back in England for the third test after having played two first class matches.

 

[bluespooner]

It is ridiculous that there are only two replacement batsmen from that first test match team. Khawaja and Warner, so effectively they are down to one replacement batsman. And you have Cowan, who threatens no side as he scores way too slowly and struggles to get more than 30. Either the touring squad has too few numbers or Inverarity has made another of his monumental stuff-ups by not including the two most talented young batsmen in the country in Joe Burns and Nic Maddinson.

 

[The_Reaper]

It is ridiculous that there are only two replacement batsmen from that first test match team. Khawaja and Warner, so effectively they are down to one replacement batsman. And you have Cowan, who threatens no side as he scores way too slowly and struggles to get more than 30. Either the touring squad has too few numbers or Inverarity has made another of his monumental stuff-ups by not including the two most talented young batsmen in the country in Joe Burns and Nic Maddinson.

Two reserve batsmen sound reasonable actually and neither Burns or Maddinson are ready for tests.

 

[Tairy Greene]

Khawaja and Harris in for Cowan and Starc has been announced.

 

[bluespooner]

Two reserve batsmen sound reasonable actually and neither Burns or Maddinson are ready for tests.

It's like a young draftee in the AFL, your better giving opportunities to players that have the talent to make it e.g. Ashton Agar, then players you know are no where near the standard required to have sustained success.

 

[The_Reaper]

It's like a young draftee in the AFL, your better giving opportunities to players that have the talent to make it e.g. Ashton Agar, then players you know are no where near the standard required to have sustained success.

Not really.

We're trying to win this.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

It's like a young draftee in the AFL, your better giving opportunities to players that have the talent to make it e.g. Ashton Agar, then players you know are no where near the standard required to have sustained success.

There is a big difference. In the AFL you build to win the ultimate prize.
In cricket every Test is a Grand Final equivalent, age is irrelevant. Play the best eleven at the time for the opposition and conditions. You don't build for Tests, you play your best and make people perform to get in or stay in.

 

[bluespooner]

Not really.

We're trying to win this.

That is my point, there is better talent available than Khawaja and Cowan.

 

[The_Reaper]

That is my point, there is better talent available than Khawaja and Cowan.

Better talent but not better performing.

The Australian test team is not a development squad.

Let Burns and Maddinson average over 40 (would prefer 45+) in a shield season first.