Changes for 3rd Test v India

[Bradesmaen]

Stoinis' career Shield bowling record - 51.45 average, 86.75 strike rate, 3.55 economy rate.

But according to selectors logic, because he hit a 100 on a primary school ground against NZ, he can therefore step up to the next level and his test bowling average will be 30 and batting will be 50.

That selectors stupid logic has to stop. How many test caps have they given out because of that?

 

[Bradesmaen]

Henriques > Head. Head can't play spin.

Plus why bother bowling 3 overs of part time offspin as the 5th bowler? We have Lyon for offies already. A medium pacer makes more sense as that option.

Not to mention Maxwell is already on tour and would play as the offspinning allrounder, which seems likely. Picking Head wouldn't make sense as he wouldn't jump ahead of Glenn in the pecking order.

Ah the old head can't play spin myth cause you saw him play a few one dayers. Gold. Maybe watch him more than in coloured clothing. He is a fine player of spin.

 

[The Swans Blog]

Not this state bias crap again.

If he's struggled against spin on roads he has no hope in India.

 

[MC Bad Genius]

Is there anyone that actually supports the selection of Stoinis? It's a baffling decision!

 

[Carlos Danger]

Not this state bias crap again.

If he's struggled against spin on roads he has no hope in India.

If you cold just start up a thread about him, that should solve whatever problems he has

 

[Bradesmaen]

Not this state bias crap again.

If he's struggled against spin on roads he has no hope in India.

It's not state bias. It's the fact that I've seen him play live a lot in the last few years and he hasn't struggled against spin. ODI is completely different to shield where you aren't trying to score runs every ball.

Also this:

"Marcus got across the line simply because during Australia A here a couple of years ago he performed very well," Hohns said.

3 wickets in 42 overs at 31 due to his economy rate of 2. Awe inspiring.

 

[full on the fence]

Took 4 in the first innings against SA but in the 9 matches before that (admittedly all short format) he took more than 1 scalp only twice, and on those occasions it was only 2 wickets.

So it's not as though he's been torching everyone

Are you guys for real ??? Why do we need another quick bowler over there If the selectors were on the ball they would have dropped Marsh after the 1st test knowing that we wouldnt require another seemer and played Khawaja or Maxwell, and would have won that test, because i think either of those 2 would have scored runs in either innings

 

[Bradesmaen]

Well, even despite that, Lehmann and Cooper have been among the top run-scorers in Shield cricket this year, Ferguson is a recent Test representative, and Head is a Test hopeful, and the team made the Shield final last year, and is ahead of NSW on the table this year. They're not exactly pushovers or bunnies.

People seem reluctant to admit it or want to put an asterisk next to it for whatever reason, and he's got a long way to go before he should be considered for Test selection, but Cummins has bowled well in his return to Shield cricket, and he's bowled well in limited overs cricket this summer too.

3 of his 6 wickets so far have come against tailenders. 2 of them Raphael and 1 Richardson. The ball to get Lehmann out was trash and he got lucky that Nevill is a good keeper.

 

[PhatBoy]

Are you guys for real ??? Why do we need another quick bowler over there If the selectors were on the ball they would have dropped Marsh after the 1st test knowing that we wouldnt require another seemer and played Khawaja or Maxwell, and would have won that test, because i think either of those 2 would have scored runs in either innings

Well yes, I am for real. I am for real about cummins not being picked.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Victoria's chances of winning the shield have just been boosted

To think I was upset Ronnie McDonald wasn't dropping the deadweight, how stupid I just needed to remember there's Boof and the selectors.

 

[The 747]

Actually, he kind of has. He's always been a good strike bowler with the tendency to go for a few runs (he's actually the most frequent wicket-taker the Test team has had in over 100 years), but who is more effective in the long form than the short stuff.

25.66 average, 39.89 strike rate, 3.86 economy rate in the Shield this year. Reign in the loosies a bit (which will probably happen naturally with consistently playing), and he's as good as ever.

OK thanks, I didn't know his figures. They are pretty good. I withdraw my comment

 

[PoopingHindi]

Australia are still trying to revolutionize the game by playing only 10 specialist cricketers.
its been going on for more than 2 years now but it doesnt seem to be catching on in other countries.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Actually, he kind of has. He's always been a good strike bowler with the tendency to go for a few runs (he's actually the most frequent wicket-taker the Test team has had in over 100 years), but who is more effective in the long form than the short stuff.

25.66 average, 39.89 strike rate, 3.86 economy rate in the Shield this year. Reign in the loosies a bit (which will probably happen naturally with consistently playing), and he's as good as ever.

We already have Mitchell Sarc in the team, we don't need another "leaky" strike bowler.

 

[Run n Spread]

Out: M Marsh
In: Khawaja

Given the bowlers are in form in particular the spinners I'd go with the 4 bowlers and back them in.

Let's say spinners can bowl 25 overs a day (even more, no need to rest them as there are only 2 tests) and the quicks 15 each minimum. That leaves at least 80 overs bowled.

For the sake of 10 overs I'd strengthen the batting and play an unbelievably screwed over (yet again) Khawaja and go with 6 retaining S Marsh and Handscomb for at least this test.

Smith should just chuck the ball to Warner, Wade (before a break) and bowl himself for a few overs a day to make up any short fall.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Out: M Marsh
In: Khawaja

Given the bowlers are in form in particular the spinners I'd go with the 4 bowlers and back them in.

Let's say spinners can bowl 25 overs a day (even more, no need to rest them as there are only 2 tests) and the quicks 15 each minimum. That leaves at least 80 overs bowled.

For the sake of 10 overs I'd strengthen the batting and play an unbelievably screwed over (yet again) Khawaja and go with 6 retaining S Marsh and Handscomb for at least this test.

Smith should just chuck the ball to Warner, Wade (before a break) and bowl himself for a few overs a day to make up any short fall.

Strengthen the batting and Khawaja in the same sentence in India does not compute. He got caught by a chair remember.

 

[Toe Poke]

Strengthen the batting and Khawaja in the same sentence in India does not compute. He got caught by a chair remember.

That may be true, but the chair barely had to move to take the catch. It's not as if the chair went for a big dive to take a one-handed blinder like Steve Smith or Peter Handscomb.

 

[Stefan_Carey]

Is there anyone that actually supports the selection of Stoinis? It's a baffling decision!

His Mum, maybe?

 

[frankrizzo]

Strengthen the batting and Khawaja in the same sentence in India does not compute. He got caught by a chair remember.

He has had just 4 tests in asia an averaged 19, it's poor but surely his great work vs SA in tough times at least gets him another shot to show he can adapt?

Warner has failed in nz in SL in india and in the west indies but he always gets tour after tour to show how much he has improved away from our pitches.

Mitch marsh averaged 12 in england and india as well as 9 in nz but he got chances all over the world to show how much he has improved.

considering how little so many others are providing usman at least deserves the same chance these under performing players get time after time even more so when the marsh replacement will be maxwell (who averages an even worse 13 in asia compared to 19 for usman) or stoinis of all people and im not even going to post his stats again as it's just embarrassing for australian cricket.

 

[Bradesmaen]

He has had just 4 tests in asia an averaged 19, it's poor but surely his great work vs SA in tough times at least gets him another shot to show he can adapt?

Warner has failed in nz in SL in india and in the west indies but he always gets tour after tour to show how much he has improved away from our pitches.

Mitch marsh averaged 12 in england and india as well as 9 in nz but he got chances all over the world to show how much he has improved.

considering how little so many others are providing usman at least deserves the same chance these under performing players get time after time even more so when the marsh replacement will be maxwell (who averages an even worse 13 in asia compared to 19 for usman) or stoinis of all people and im not even going to post his stats again as it's just embarrassing for australian cricket.

I don't disagree with any of that and I am an advocate on those hacks playing less. Hence Khawaja shouldn't play

 

[Jimthegreat]

Did you really just suggest cummins. He hasn't even been bowling that well. He also just started his first shield game in god know how long

Actually his first Shield game just finished. He got 4/57, 4/47 and made 42 for Man of the Match. You certainly couldn't send him to India this early on but, at the same time, he'd probably make more runs than any no.6 it seems, bowl well and, the way the series has gone, not bowl too many overs. Best to let him find his feet again in the Shield and prepare him for the Ashes.

 

[Jimthegreat]

He has had just 4 tests in asia an averaged 19, it's poor but surely his great work vs SA in tough times at least gets him another shot to show he can adapt?

Warner has failed in nz in SL in india and in the west indies but he always gets tour after tour to show how much he has improved away from our pitches.

Mitch marsh averaged 12 in england and india as well as 9 in nz but he got chances all over the world to show how much he has improved.

considering how little so many others are providing usman at least deserves the same chance these under performing players get time after time even more so when the marsh replacement will be maxwell (who averages an even worse 13 in asia compared to 19 for usman) or stoinis of all people and im not even going to post his stats again as it's just embarrassing for australian cricket.

Khawaja would have to be better still than any no.6 we put in even if he does struggle.

 

[JG22]

#betterthanStoinis

 

[damochandler]

Who replaces Starc

 

[Dixie Flatline]

Who replaces Starc

I suspect it will be someone added to the squad.

 

[Dixie Flatline]