Changes for 3rd Test v India

[Fat Nyfe]

Surely Lyon's finger will be fine, it's been over a week.

If not then it's a big issue, the way he bowled in the 2nd innings in Bengaluru was pretty trash compared to his first innings, you don't want our main spinner handing out free runs.

 

[Carlos Danger]

seems like a pretty legit reason for a spinner not to play to me.
less grip, less spin, less control.

No 80% effective Lyon is better than the next option. Hes not missing out. It's not going to heal by the last test either so he might as well have flown home with the other 2 if he wasn't going to play.

 

[Carlos Danger]

Surely Lyon's finger will be fine, it's been over a week.

If not then it's a big issue, the way he bowled in the 2nd innings in Bengaluru was pretty trash compared to his first innings, you don't want our main spinner handing out free runs.

He wasn't that bad, had chances put down by wade Smith & warner off rahane & pujara when noone else could shift them.
India played him better & the rest of the bowlers didnt step up especially the quicks. India's quicks were unplayable ours weren't, didn't bowl the right lines especially starc

 

[Demosthenes]

It must be so frustrating to be a first class player in Australia, and watch the selectors blatantly picking winners regardless of Shield performance.

For those who've played high level Grade cricket, does the same thing happen with selection for state squads?

 

[MisterMarcus]

Forget what Lyon and O'Keefe have done. The mere mention of Hogg highlights the shallow pool of spinning frontliners in this country. Waste of time naturalising Fawad Ahmed if he isn't going to get a gig. Pretty sure he topped the list of Shield wickets in the recent past.

Holland has been in good form for a while now, and was very unlucky to miss out. It's not as if we've got 'nobody' waiting in the wings....

 

[The_Reaper]

Holland has been in good form for a while now, and was very unlucky to miss out. It's not as if we've got 'nobody' waiting in the wings....

He missed out because he was thoroughly mediocre in Sri Lanka.

 

[ROOTA#6]

He missed out because he was thoroughly mediocre in Sri Lanka.

So was everyone aside from Starc really

 

[roscreasl98]

He missed out because he was thoroughly mediocre in Sri Lanka.

TBF, he was flown over there as a late replacement for FIGSOK wasn't he.
Has had a VG season.

 

[The Offerman]

Holland has been in good form for a while now, and was very unlucky to miss out. It's not as if we've got 'nobody' waiting in the wings....

He's also been injured and barely played.

 

[kidgorgeous]

I would like to see Ahmed or Zampa in. Someone who can turn the ball away from the right hander. SOK not a real turner of the pill for mine.

 

[ROOTA#6]

He's also been injured and barely played.

Hasn't missed a shield game

 

[The Offerman]

Hasn't missed a shield game

Doesn't change the fact he was injured and was when the squad was selected. Add in the fact he bowled pies in Sri Lanka and he's simply not very good, and you can work out why no one rates him. Aside from Saker of course. He also rates Boland though.

 

[The Offerman]

I would like to see Ahmed or Zampa in. Someone who can turn the ball away from the right hander. SOK not a real turner of the pill for mine.

Hahahah wow. Wins us the first Test and we're still subjected to this. Go back and have a look at the two guys you've just named. One averages 50, and the other has played one Shield match for the season. Sigh.

 

[Damon_3388]

Forget what Lyon and O'Keefe have done. The mere mention of Hogg highlights the shallow pool of spinning frontliners in this country. Waste of time naturalising Fawad Ahmed if he isn't going to get a gig. Pretty sure he topped the list of Shield wickets in the recent past.

It was two years ago, and he has declined since. May as well still be picking Adam Voges on that logic.

 

[Damon_3388]

Over the ODI summer. Certainly bowled more regularly at international level of late than Khawaja, Agar and Cummins for starters

Maxwell has barely bowled in any format at either domestic or international level this summer.

He's either focussing on his batting, injured, or captains realise his bowling isn't that good and leaks too many runs.

 

[Scotland]

Holland has been in good form for a while now, and was very unlucky to miss out. It's not as if we've got 'nobody' waiting in the wings....

Holland told CA to EAD. I'd be surprised to see him capped again.

If you're a fringe guy like Holland or O'Keefe or Bird or Joe Burns etc. you are best advised to STFU if a journo asks you about CA's selection policies.

 

[JG22]

I would like to see Ahmed or Zampa in. Someone who can turn the ball away from the right hander. SOK not a real turner of the pill for mine.

The guy who took 12-70 in the first test?

 

[Scotland]

On Hoggy, he actually only played 99 FC games so despite being around cricket forever he's not like a Stuart Law that played hundreds of Shield matches. Adam Voges is nearly a decade younger and debuted for WA nearly a decade later and has played twice as many games.

Hoggy was more of an all rounder for the first half of his career and finished with nearly 4,000 runs @ 35 and 181 wickets @ 41.

As great WA Shield cricketers go, he's not really up there - even though we love him. His real talent was (*is) in limited overs cricket where batsmen couldn't (*can't) get after him. He flights the ball well, mixes up his pace and length and has a fantastic wrong'un. He went for 4.5 an over on ODI cricket striking at 36. Every ODI side in the world would take a spinner going at that economy rate who gets a wicket every 6 overs. In 7 tests he didn't have the same success because the urgency to attack isn't there. He was unlucky (Ponting in particular had no idea how to set fields for him) but as a test bowler he was fairly easy to just see off for 3-4 an over.

 

[Damon_3388]

The guy who took 12-70 in the first test?

You'd think that would have convinced the doubters, eh?

I swear some people care more about the aesthetics of spin bowling than the actual results. They'd rather see someone who "looks good out the hand" or "turns it square" or "has variation" while going for 4-5 an over and not taking many/any wickets.

Discipline, consistency and accuracy works for spin bowlers just like it does for pacemen. That's how O'Keefe has kept the runs down and taken wickets, both in this series and across his career.

Anyone calling for for O'Keefe to be dropped at this point for a garbage leg spinner because he "doesn't turn it enough" is nothing short of a f**king idiot.

 

[Zach Package]

I saw an 8 second instagram video of Renshaw bowling to Agar in the nets and he's already a better option than Brad bloody Hogg.

Jesus Christ

 

[FredLeDeux]

On Hoggy, he actually only played 99 FC games so despite being around cricket forever he's not like a Stuart Law that played hundreds of Shield matches. Adam Voges is nearly a decade younger and debuted for WA nearly a decade later and has played twice as many games.

Hoggy was more of an all rounder for the first half of his career and finished with nearly 4,000 runs @ 35 and 181 wickets @ 41.

As great WA Shield cricketers go, he's not really up there - even though we love him. His real talent was (*is) in limited overs cricket where batsmen couldn't (*can't) get after him. He flights the ball well, mixes up his pace and length and has a fantastic wrong'un. He went for 4.5 an over on ODI cricket striking at 36. Every ODI side in the world would take a spinner going at that economy rate who gets a wicket every 6 overs. In 7 tests he didn't have the same success because the urgency to attack isn't there. He was unlucky (Ponting in particular had no idea how to set fields for him) but as a test bowler he was fairly easy to just see off for 3-4 an over.

Same FC bowling average as Maxwell and Agar.
Maxwell slightly better with the bat at 40, Agar only bats @ 26.
All a fair way short of what's needed to suggest likely success as Test all-rounders.

 

[Scotland]

CA are about as flexible in their views when it comes to selecting 6-11 as your average person on election day wearing a 'vote for my party' t-shirt are in their political views.

Number 6 shall be an all rounder and bowl pace. The wicketkeeper shall bat at 7 and be the 'best available' batsman. Bonus points if he can bring his own gloves and has a rough idea where to stand while fielding.

Bowling attack shall be 3 quicks and 1 spinner unless the test is played at the SCG or somewhere overseas where the opposition pick multiple spinners.

Pace bowlers incapable of bowling 140-145+ km/h shall be tall and accurate and from NSW. Pace bowlers bowling left handed shall be preferred. Every km/h above 140 is worth the same number of selection points as 10 wickets in a Shield season.

Spin bowlers shall be selected based on a hierarchy of leg spin, off spin, left arm orthodox, Brad Hogg (the last of the Jedi will you be). Every 10 test wickets taken by an off spinner or left armer are worth the same selection points as 1 wicket taken in the Big Bash by a leg spinner.

 

[Scotland]

Same FC bowling average as Maxwell and Agar.
Maxwell slightly better with the bat at 40, Agar only bats @ 26.
All a fair way short of what's needed to suggest likely success as Test all-rounders.

Maxwell is part timer, Agar is still young so you'd expect his averaged to come down if he keeps playing as a front line spinner.

Neither have earned a spot in the test squad on Shield performances in batting or bowling.

 

[southernswannies]

Maxwell is part timer, Agar is still young so you'd expect his averaged to come down if he keeps playing as a front line spinner.

Neither have earned a spot in the test squad on Shield performances in batting or bowling.

Isn't Agars average outside of the WACA around 33? Not terrible and he's consistently bowling on harder tracks than any other domestic spinner.

 

[ROOTA#6]

Isn't Agars average outside of the WACA around 33? Not terrible and he's consistently bowling on harder tracks than any other domestic spinner.

He has potential with ball and bat. I fear he will never quite make it to the level he could. He is a bowler first and foremost but I reckon the quality of his batting is getting in the way of his bowling development