changes for boxing day test.

[damochandler]

they're going to turn 2 dads into the cummins. pick a bloke on no solid four day cricket

 

[JackOutback]

it was a bit of a joke apparently

I'm sure that's how he tried to explain it later.

 

[damochandler]

I'm sure that's how he tried to explain it later.

peter lalor knew it was a joke as well

 

[STFU Donnie]

I hope S March doesn't get dropped. I wouldn't change a thing. I know Khawaja is now fit but IMO he now has to wait until there is another injury or someone performs badly to get his spot back. Not exactly fair on him but I don't think anyone deserves to be dropped, especially not Marsh.

Disagree. They went with Marsh because he is not a long term option. Sure he did well, but he was only ever a seat warmer. Khawaja is their long term choice for No. 3 with Smith at No. 4. Sucks for Marsh, but c'est la vie.

 

[STFU Donnie]

Khawaja scored 174, 9* and 121 in his 3 innings against NZ.

Burns has scored 71, 129, 40, 0, 14, 11, 33.

S Marsh has scored 2, 49, 182.

It's an interesting scenario because the most established of the three is Burns who just played his 4th test in a row. It's not like we've got Warner or Smith coming back in. It's also interesting because competition among the top 5 is strong, but #6 is seemingly off limits.

IMO the most likely 12th man will be Burns, Khawaja, S Marsh, M Marsh in that order. I actually think it's OK if Khawaja doesn't play. You don't deserve to be dropped off the back of two 100s but he wasn't dropped, he got injured and someone had to come in. S Marsh will be back in pair mode soon enough anyway.[/QUOTE]

So if you don't consider him a long-term prospect, why not make the change now?

 

[Scotland]

So if you don't consider him a long-term prospect, why not make the change now?

I'm not a selector, and I don't think dropping a guy who's just scored 182 sends a good message.

According to Boof if Khawaja is fit he plays, and Mitch Marsh plays also. So it's down to Shaun Marsh and Burns.

I wouldn't mind if Shaun Marsh was dropped as he was clearly behind the others in the minds of the selectors going into the summer, I just don't think that he will be.

There will be a touch of irony if Marsh is unlucky to be dropped after being lucky to be picked in the first (and second, third...) place.

 

[STFU Donnie]

Khawaja has not passed fit for the Thunders first BBL game by CA medicos.

Are these the same CA medicos who have overseen the complete and total destruction of Australia's fast bowling stocks in the last few years?

 

[STFU Donnie]

I'm not a selector, and I don't think dropping a guy who's just scored 182 sends a good message.

According to Boof if Khawaja is fit he plays, and Mitch Marsh plays also. So it's down to Shaun Marsh and Burns.

I wouldn't mind if Shaun Marsh was dropped as he was clearly behind the others in the minds of the selectors going into the summer, I just don't think that he will be.

There will be a touch of irony if Marsh is unlucky to be dropped after being lucky to be picked in the first (and second, third...) place.

It sends the message that we pick the best team, regardless of sentiment. As I said, it sucks for Marsh, but many would say he has had more chances than he has actually earned.

 

[JackOutback]

It sends the message that we pick the best team, regardless of sentiment. As I said, it sucks for Marsh, but many would say he has had more chances than he has actually earned.

And I think the guy who won us a Test and then scored 182 is in the best team. We should be picking teams primarily on form, not on who we think has potential to be the best long-term prospect.

 

[Bucking Beads]

And I think the guy who won us a Test and then scored 182 is in the best team. We should be picking teams primarily on form, not on who we think has potential to be the best long-term prospect.

But Geoff if that was the case Klinger, Bailey or Dunk would have been selected instead of Marsh in the first place. We also wouldn't have to worry about seeing Mitch Marsh stink it up.

 

[Scotland]

It sends the message that we pick the best team, regardless of sentiment. As I said, it sucks for Marsh, but many would say he has had more chances than he has actually earned.

Errr, no it doesn't.

Marsh top scored in the second innings in Adelaide then made 182 in Hobart. You can't drop him and call it 'rewarding form'.

And yes I'm well aware of how many chances Marsh has been given, hence I referenced it in the post you quoted...

 

[Kram]

But Geoff if that was the case Klinger, Bailey or Dunk would have been selected instead of Marsh in the first place. We also wouldn't have to worry about seeing Mitch Marsh stink it up.

Come on, let's not get silly now.

 

[JackOutback]

But Geoff if that was the case Klinger, Bailey or Dunk would have been selected instead of Marsh in the first place. We also wouldn't have to worry about seeing Mitch Marsh stink it up.

Shaun Marsh averaged more than all three of them last year. He also averaged near 50 against India.

Half the problem here is that people are judging Marsh on what happened two years or more ago, not what's happening right now.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Shaun Marsh averaged more than all three of them last year. He also averaged near 50 against India.

Half the problem here is that people are judging Marsh on what happened two years or more ago, not what's happening right now.

Last year's form has what to do with picking guys on form for this summer??

 

[The 747]

Shaun Marsh averaged more than all three of them last year. He also averaged near 50 against India.

Half the problem here is that people are judging Marsh on what happened two years or more ago, not what's happening right now.

No, people judge him based on what he is and always has been: a talented batsman who isn't mentally up to the task of being a consistent Test performer.

 

[JackOutback]

Last year's form has what to do with picking guys on form for this summer??

OK, let's look at his most recent form? 2, 49 and 182.

The point is, people seem to think Marsh is in poor form, but he's not. He did well in the Shield last year, did well against India, ok against the Windies, did well in the Matador Cup and has been ok in the Shield this year. He's ahead of guys like Klinger, Bailey and Dunk on that basis.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Out: West Indies
In: Australia 2nd XI

 

[Bucking Beads]

OK, let's look at his most recent form? 2, 49 and 182.

The point is, people seem to think Marsh is in poor form, but he's not. He did well in the Shield last year, did well against India, ok against the Windies, did well in the Matador Cup and has been ok in the Shield this year. He's ahead of guys like Klinger, Bailey and Dunk on that basis.

No people have seen this before from Marsh. A few great innings and that will be him done for a year. He is obviously in good form but until he backs that up with more runs no body will believe it. It's happened time and time again with him.

 

[HBF]

Khawaja has not passed fit for the Thunders first BBL game by CA medicos.

He can't play Boxing Day now. Go in unchanged IMO.

 

[JackOutback]

No people have seen this before from Marsh. A few great innings and that will be him done for a year. He is obviously in good form but until he backs that up with more runs no body will believe it. It's happened time and time again with him.

Yes, but you're calling for him to be dropped, so he can't back it up. You appear to have made up your mind that he can't improve whereas I don't think that's the case. If he stumbles again, then he gets dropped, but you don't drop a guy that won us a Test and series and then backed it up with 182 (when Warner and Smith both failed to fire).

 

[Bucking Beads]

Yes, but you're calling for him to be dropped, so he can't back it up. You appear to have made up your mind that he can't improve whereas I don't think that's the case. If he stumbles again, then he gets dropped, but you don't drop a guy that won us a Test and series and then backed it up with 182 (when Warner and Smith both failed to fire).

I've made up my mind because I've seen it all before from him.

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

It sends the message that we pick the best team, regardless of sentiment. As I said, it sucks for Marsh, but many would say he has had more chances than he has actually earned.

Going by that S Marsh would be in the team not out of it.

 

[Bucking Beads]

I really don't want to be arguing about this anymore. My view is this. Marsh deserves his spot after his last 2 innings but I hate the thought of Burns losing his spot because of it. Whether or not he is an opener or not is one thing but I don't think he deserves to be dropped. A really tough decision for the selectors IMO. I don't think playing 1 BBL game is enough to prove fitness for a test match so I think giving Khawaja more time to get fit would be the best option. That way we get to see more of Burns and Marsh in action.

 

[bird_man]

Moving Marsh up to open is a bad move in my opinion. He's not an opener and one big score against a third rate side like the WI's doesn't change that.

I think he's been quite good in his last two tests but the only way I'd be picking him is at the expense of his brother or to go in unchanged with Khawaja to earn his spot back.

 

[STFU Donnie]

Errr, no it doesn't.

Marsh top scored in the second innings in Adelaide then made 182 in Hobart. You can't drop him and call it 'rewarding form'.

And yes I'm well aware of how many chances Marsh has been given, hence I referenced it in the post you quoted...

You misunderstand my point. I said nothing, nothing at all, about "rewarding form." Quite the contrary, sometimes you have to ignore it for the bigger picture. If the selectors genuinely feel that Khawaja is their long-term No. 3, then Marsh has to go.