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[Freddy Bassett]

depends on your timeline ...but in most recent times
You also need to factor in positions that sometimes can create quiet games

4 most unreliable overall - including during games
Petrenko
Jaensch
Jenkins
Henderson

4 who don't perform in big games
Can't name as really sample size too small with this list

Vince has to be included in unreliable. Thompson maybe for big games

 

[dylan123]

4 most unreliable overall - including during games

Petrenko

Jaensch

Jenkins

Henderson

Agree with Henderson although is the role he plays in the team partly to blame for that? Some weeks he seems to be playing as the link up sort of role on the wing, sometimes as a forward and then other times to fill the hole in the backline meaning what we/coaches expect from him can be very different from game to game.

Still think he could add some consistency to that, but I can imagine it being a little hard without playing in any 'locked' position.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Big Game Panic Merchants
1. Doughty
2. van Berlo
3. Reilly
4. Goodwin

The reason we haven't performed in finals is because our senior players haven't stood up.

 

[Elite Crow]

Big Game Panic Merchants
1. Doughty
2. van Berlo
3. Reilly
4. Goodwin

The reason we haven't performed in finals is because our senior players haven't stood up.

This is spot on. Maybe not the exact same players but our senior players have been major let downs overall in the finals. Nothing highlighted it more than the 09 loss to Collingwood.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Vince has to be included in unreliable. Thompson maybe for big games

was asked for 4 most unreliable .....IMO Vince did not make the top 4

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Agree with Henderson although is the role he plays in the team partly to blame for that? Some weeks he seems to be playing as the link up sort of role on the wing, sometimes as a forward and then other times to fill the hole in the backline meaning what we/coaches expect from him can be very different from game to game.

Still think he could add some consistency to that, but I can imagine it being a little hard without playing in any 'locked' position.

Note all those players are still what you call developing players so you expect inconsistency ......anyone who pushes youth and does not expect wildly inconsistent games are kidding themselves

Even Dangerfield early was very inconsistent

 

[androidtommy]

Look at the Crouch situation; no one knows why he wasn't selected round 1, but the only theory people seem to give credence to is that we didn't want to bring him in for the season opener because its too 'big' a game. Then people saying that if he didnt come in this week, we couldn't bring him in the following week because it'd be a showdown, and that'd put too much pressure on him.

I heard crouch was left out last week because of disciplinary measures, he would have been in the team no doubt otherwise.
Also heard that we are 10 days behind schedule, or were for last game. Not sure if that makes us on schedule now given the extra week off

 

[Slippery Pete]

Goodwin??

 

[Slippery Pete]

The reason we haven't performed in finals is because our senior players haven't stood up.

Your list had some grains of truth, but it's a bit more complex than you've made it out. Some of those guys weren't senior players in some of those finals we lost. VB, for instance, wasn't a senior player when he was calved up in the 06 prelim. He was just a young buck. Same with Reilly and Doughty in some of those early 00s campaigns.

Where you've got a point is the type of player that has let us down. But you can't put the senior label on it. You just can't. In a number of those losses, senior players like Goodwin, Edwards and McLeod kept us in it. That 2006 prelim is a classic example.

I don't know where you got Goodwin from, Spackler. I'll need an explanation there.

 

[King Elvis]

I heard crouch was left out last week because of disciplinary measures, he would have been in the team no doubt otherwise.
Also heard that we are 10 days behind schedule, or were for last game. Not sure if that makes us on schedule now given the extra week off

Strong first post

What was he disciplined for?

I think this conversation warrants it's on thread - as I genuinely believes it's our biggest issue, and the one that constantly prevents us from being a safe bet in big games that we should win.

Unreliable in big games?

Petrenko
Callinan
Henderson
Reilly (was better last year - finally)

Not as bad;
Vince (plays a blinder every now and then)
VB
Hendo



Who are our big game players?
Walker
Smith
Danger
Sloane
Talia

Who else?
I'd almost say Johncock - but not too many more.

 

[Slippery Pete]

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Unreliable in big games?

One finals series isn't a big enough sample size, I'm afraid. You can't let the ghosts of finals series past cloud your judgement on guys who had their first crack at it last year.

I know it's hard though......

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I don't know where you got Goodwin from, Spackler. I'll need an explanation there.

2009

 

[Slippery Pete]

One game? C'mon.....

 

[King Elvis]

One finals series isn't a big enough sample size, I'm afraid. You can't let the ghosts of finals series past cloud your judgement on guys who had their first crack at it last year.

I know it's hard though......

3 games is a big enough sample size to start from.

Especially when we're talking about a 30 year old who was meant to be a big game player.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

One game? C'mon.....

Also poor in 2008

Yeah, again only one game. But it's only ever "one game" because bad finals mean you get knocked out.

He was AA during this period and our captain.

 

[Elite Crow]

Callinan had a full preseason until he had a knock to the knee against Carlton. All he has missed is 1 match more than the rest of the blokes. Hardly 'underdone' i would say.

Thoughts? Did he look 'underdone'?

 

[Slippery Pete]

Also poor in 2008

Yeah, again only one game. But it's only ever "one game" because bad finals mean you get knocked out.

He was AA during this period and our captain.

It's an interesting discussion. We need to transfer this over to Amer's new thread. It's all relevant there.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

It's an interesting discussion. We need to transfer this over to Amer's new thread. It's all relevant there.

And I only put Goodwin in because he was captain.

The point was that our leaders and senior players haven't stood up in the big games.

He's still a champion and from memory in 2005-06 he was excellent.

 

[Mike Smyth]

I agree, I suspect it is his knee to be honest. Has good days and bad days, his good days he is a world beater. His bad days he is still in our top 10 players.

Compare that to Reilly, Mackay, Van Burlo, Wright, Petrenko, Porps, Douglas etc. Then he doesnt look so bad, they just have the apperance that they are "trying hard"

Rnd 1 - 16 disposals - 1 tackle
Rnd 2 (in a must win, high pressure game) - 12 disposals - 3 tackles

Thats not the output of a top 10 player. Wright, Petrenko, Douglas and Porplyzia have all been better.

 

[AFC979810]

Thoughts? Did he look 'underdone'?

Yup he did. And I love a good I told you so post

Will be better for the run next week. He got a half of AFL football and we won the game.

Just like Petrenko was better for the run last week.

I have no problems with best 22 players coming straight back in.

 

[Elite Crow]

Yup he did. And I love a good I told you so post

Will be better for the run next week. He got a half of AFL football and we won the game.

Just like Petrenko was better for the run last week.

I have no problems with best 22 players coming straight back in.

Did Callinan help us win? Did he contribute anything? He could have found form and fitness by playing a full game in the SANFL.

 

[Glenno23]

And I only put Goodwin in because he was captain.

The point was that our leaders and senior players haven't stood up in the big games.

He's still a champion and from memory in 2005-06 he was excellent.

He was also superb in 97-98 as a youngster in our premierships

 

[AFC979810]

Did Callinan help us win? Did he contribute anything? He could have found form and fitness by playing a full game in the SANFL.

No he didn't help us win. He played poorly, but will be better for the run.

He could have found fitness in the SANFL. Instead he played 60% of the game in a winning side and got some game time at AFL level.

Fact remains is that we won a game we had to win and got some valuable game time into a best 22 player.

 

[Elite Crow]

No he didn't help us win. He played poorly, but will be better for the run.

He could have found fitness in the SANFL. Instead he played 60% of the game in a winning side and got some game time at AFL level.

Fact remains is that we won a game we had to win and got some valuable game time into a best 22 player.

And the facts are we lost the week before and we played an underdone player which makes your point mute. You can't sugarcoat playing underdone players by claiming a win without also acknowledging it was a **** up when we lose.

 

[AFC979810]

And the facts are we lost the week before and we played an underdone player which makes your point mute. You can't sugarcoat playing underdone players by claiming a win without also acknowledging it was a **** up when we lose.

There is zero correlation to Petrenko being underdone last week and us losing. We got belted in an area of the ground that Petrenko has no influence over (contested possessions and clearances). As I have said in other posts - the reason we lost is because Thommo/Danger/Sloane/VB/Mackay/Porps who were all destroyed in the middle.

Surprise surprise - Thommo/Danger/Sloane were 3 of our best against Brisbane - we beat them convincingly in clearances and came out slightly in front in contested possessions. We also had 13 more inside 50's this week than against Essendon. These stats meant that we could carry a non performer in Callinan and got some valuable game time into one of our best 22....