Changes for Gold Coast

[salim malik]

only 1 or 2 people who, to put it politely are being unrealistic have mentioned the likes of Grey, Smith, Ueber.
The majority want to see Weller retained, Langdon and Alex Pearce added along with Bennell and Mora when ready.
Surely you can't think thats not realistic?

I did say that those boys should and will play along with Collins in a previous post. Yeh I know I was over the top ,apologies to everybody.

 

[kp junior]

I do not get the Tanner hate. I watch a bit of training and his preseason before the 2015 season was quite impressive. His match in round 23 last year against Port was good. He kicked 4 goals for Peel on Saturday - how often does someone achieve that. He has his weaknesses for sure, but he has some strengths too.

Smith hasn't done much wrong at Afl level in the couple of chances he's had. If he can string a few games together kicking bags at wafl level, He might get a look surely.

 

[meima]

I did say that those boys should and will play along with Collins in a previous post. Yeh I know I was over the top ,apologies to everybody.

Me too.

 

[DockerLand1]

I rather play A.pearce forward than upgrade smith, save the upgrade for mora.

Mora is an important upgrade for us but we would have been able to do both with Balic on the long term injury list. We missed the cut off point for an upgrade on Tuesday though.

 

[Mr Peabody]

The main theme in RTB's presser was lack of intent - disparity in contested possessions (-43) while on a Sunday stroll in poor preparation.

I guess he will address effort as the main cause for ugly skills, pace and ball movement. Sandilands, Johnson and Pearce have to come in if they are fit and ready to add talent and those changes should occur regardless. But I hope he makes a statement addressing intent and he rings a couple of additional changes that don't just involve Matty Deboer.

 

[salim malik]

The main theme in RTB's presser was lack of intent - disparity in contested possessions (-43) while on a Sunday stroll in poor preparation.

I guess he will address effort as the main cause for ugly skills, pace and ball movement. Sandilands, Johnson and Pearce have to come in if they are fit and ready to add talent and those changes should occur regardless. But I hope he makes a statement addressing intent and he rings a couple of additional changes that don't just involve Matty Deboer.

They trained on Friday like they played,lazy ,poor skills. Hard to fathom why when they should have been excited with the opening game coming up. It was hot and humid but is that an excuse.

 

[Rob]

Id be surprised if it was more than 500k in total.

You think Barlow and Mayne are both earning below average for an AFL footballer?

800k would be much closer to the mark. I reckon Barlow 400k, Mayne 350k.

 

[Silent Alarm]

Spurr - Dawson - Sutcliffe
Ibbotson - Silvagni - Johnson
Hill - Sandilands - Mzungu
Weller - Fyfe - Walters
Griffin - Pavlich - Ballantyne

F: Mundy - Neale - Blakely
I/C: Al Pearce - Langdon - Mayne

Big lessons to Barlow, Clancee, Clarke, and Taberner.

Mzungu is a little more attacking so he keeps a place, while Mayne is verrrry lucky our attacking stocks of Langdon and Weller are young and maybe some experience and more pressure play would do us well.

Suban battled okay I thought but he is just not up to it. At all. It's also bleedingly obvious that fast, forward flowing, hard running, attacking football is the future. The Bulldogs showed it, but so too did the Eagles (apparently), while the Hawks will adapt but were good at it too. These sort of players were bog average anyway, but they're not totally unsuitable for modern football: Suban, DeBoer, Clancee. Mayne and Barlow, former terrific servicemen and great assets as people to the club, just are not good enough anymore. They are signs of stagnation.

 

[Scham]

Spurr - Dawson - Sutcliffe
Ibbotson - Silvagni - Johnson
Hill - Sandilands - Mzungu
Weller - Fyfe - Walters
Griffin - Pavlich - Ballantyne

F: Mundy - Neale - Blakely
I/C: Al Pearce - Langdon - Mayne

Big lessons to Barlow, Clancee, Clarke, and Taberner.

Mzungu is a little more attacking so he keeps a place, while Mayne is verrrry lucky our attacking stocks of Langdon and Weller are young and maybe some experience and more pressure play would do us well.

Suban battled okay I thought but he is just not up to it. At all. It's also bleedingly obvious that fast, forward flowing, hard running, attacking football is the future. The Bulldogs showed it, but so too did the Eagles (apparently), while the Hawks will adapt but were good at it too. These sort of players were bog average anyway, but they're not totally unsuitable for modern football: Suban, DeBoer, Clancee. Mayne and Barlow, former terrific servicemen and great assets as people to the club, just are not good enough anymore. They are signs of stagnation.

You cop a lot of shit around here but you are absolutely spot on with this post (except you need to add one more to your team, I guess that spot is for Bennell when he's ready but I'd leave Tabs in there until such time)

 

[salim malik]

Tough picking a side but.......
B Spurr Dawson Ibbo
HB Hill Johnno Sheridan
C Langdon Mundy Pearce
HF Walters Tabs Mayne
FF Balla Pav Weller
R Sandi Neale Fyfe.
I/C Sutcliffe A Pearce Blakely Suban.

One ruck ,Griff,Muz,Barlow Clancee ,Clarke (inj) out.

 

[balthazarthedonk]

Myself I can't see any particular inclusions or exclusions being terribly obvious on the back of that performance. There were so many areas of non-performance, by so many players, that it's hard to say categorically where the blame lies most.

Team performance ultimately is a collection of inter-operating systems and processes, and you usually only change personnell if another individual can perform their part of that system consistently better than the incumbant... but with a game like that, it's nearly impossible to say - it becomes a cavalcade of chicken and/or egg scenrios

That whole game was a series of cascading and interrelated systemic failures all over the ground by our guys, compounded by a team-wide pandemic of appalling skill errors. Who do you point the finger at and say you didn't do enough to hold your spot?

The old game plan has been amended to address systemic problems we've been having around scoring... but the new plan has yet to be enacted and drilled sufficiently to make it effortless and instinctive to implelent. We're in a systemic no-man's land between the old game plans and the new ones.

Basically, we need to make as few changes as possible to personnell until we get our overall game plan functioning properly - or at least till it reaches the point of being competitive, and we've got a functional sense of player chemistry happening. Wholesale changes right now will only add more potential variables to a system that is allready too chaotic to function properly.

Leave the team basically the same until they have reached the point they can transition the ball from defense to midfield to attack with some small measure of consistency... THEN we can start to ask ourselves who isn't pulling their weight.

Bugger the idea of us scoring more - right now I'd settle for a system of moving the ball up the field that actually works more than once a quarter.

I understand where you are coming from but, to me, the new game style is actually just an additional hurdle on top of some long standing concerns. What happened yesterday is a continuation of problems which became glaringly obvious half way through last year. Barlow has always had poor disposal, we've always allowed up to 2 opp players to sit off the pack unmarked, Subes has always been caught with the ball and - Sheridan and Jonno aside - our backline has always been slow to make decisions.

The difference is that in 2013 we scared opposition teams into playing on our own terms by our ferociousness. They're not scared anymore; it's a simple proposition to spread the ball quickly and wide and our older (and now even slower) players get stretched, and if they have the ball react with a blind, panicked kick.

We know who the core of our team is. But we desperately need a spark of creativity. Young players can provide that; the only times I got remotely excited yesterday were Weller's bumps and tackles and Tabs' lovely kick from the boundary deep in the pocket. But the team didn't respond to these acts. Why? Because they don't seem to believe in themselves or the team's ability to engineer a win from a deficit. If they can't grind it out, they're lost. Ross needs to unleash a little chaos and experiment, knowing that some mistakes might be made but allowing for some trial and error. It's the perfect time - when you're in transition. Cos it is the system itself that is broken, whether they're adhering to it or not.

 

[Mr Peabody]

Tough picking a side but.......
B Spurr Dawson Ibbo
HB Hill Johnno Sheridan
C Langdon Mundy Pearce
HF Walters Tabs Mayne
FF Balla Pav Weller
R Sandi Neale Fyfe.
I/C Sutcliffe A Pearce Blakely Suban.

One ruck ,Griff,Muz,Barlow Clancee ,Clarke (inj) out.

Agree with most of the above. RTB mentioned he thought the backs did ok so I agree Johnno will be the only change down there if he is fit. Hope A.Pearce is ready to swing back and forward. Nichols rucks solely so Sandi can do the same. I'll accept Deboer as inevitable as long as there is a sprinkling of ins from Langdon, Blakely & Gray.

 

[PurpleWizard]

Agree with most of the above. RTB mentioned he thought the backs did ok so I agree Johnno will be the only change down there if he is fit. Hope A.Pearce is ready to swing back and forward. Nichols rucks solely so Sandi can do the same. I'll accept Deboer as inevitable as long as there is a sprinkling of ins from Langdon, Blakely & Gray.

I'm a Ross lover but I was seriously annoyed when he said our backs did well. Isn't it their job to get the ball out of the backline and stop the repeat entries, not just defend. The same could be with his idea of what makes a good fwd with Mayne not scoring goals but coming top 10 in the doig last year.

 

[DudleyDocker]

I do not get the Tanner hate. I watch a bit of training and his preseason before the 2015 season was quite impressive. His match in round 23 last year against Port was good. He kicked 4 goals for Peel on Saturday - how often does someone achieve that. He has his weaknesses for sure, but he has some strengths too.

I don't hate him dockerfemme, and I desperately want to see some change, but I am being brutally honest. He would be crucified at AFL level - he is a slow mover and a slow thinker, and we have enough of them already.

 

[DudleyDocker]

They trained on Friday like they played,lazy ,poor skills. Hard to fathom why when they should have been excited with the opening game coming up. It was hot and humid but is that an excuse.

Do you know if Hale traveled over on Saturday night? I was very surprised to see him at the Peel game.

 

[Angus Young]

Outs: Pav (susp). Griff, Mzungu
r.

Pav isn't going anywhere, he didnt hit his head. Wait this is the AFL 12 weeks.

De Boer, Big Sandi, Johnson, Bennel if available.

fk muzungu was ordinary

Must win game all of a sudden.

 

[Ysaye]

Do you know if Hale traveled over on Saturday night? I was very surprised to see him at the Peel game.

apparently he didnt.

 

[ComradeSplutnik]

My team would be ( asuming Pav sus and Bennell still ufit) :

Spurr-Dawson-Johnson
Ibbotson-Silvagni-C Pearce
Hill-Barlow-D Pearce
Walters-Taberner-Fyfe
de Boer-A Pearce-Weller

Sandi-Mundy-Neale

Langdon-Sheridan-Blakely-Sutcliffe

A Pearce can help out Sandi in ruck.
DeBoer comes in because we reward performance and cause he would do a better job than Mayne
Keep Fyfe forward all day - try and structure an actual forward line
Get Barlow back to being an inside mid
Play Sutcliffe in the midfield. He is not a defender.
Mayne and Ballas have been ordinary for a couple of seasons. Send them to magoos to get a message

Outs - Clarke, Griffin, Suban, Mayne, Pav(sus). Mzungu, Ballas
Ins - Sandi, Johnno, Langdon, Blakely, deBoer, Silvagni, Pearce A

 

[DudleyDocker]

apparently he didnt.

Tin foil hat stuff, but the way the boys played it seemed like something was rotten in the camp - I hope it's not dissension in the coaching ranks.

 

[freddieflintoff]

Changes are needed. Need some youth to enthuse the group. Why did we/they think that the team picked Saturday would get the job done? Take out Weller these are the same blokes that haven't been able to get the job done before. Pity Bennell injured, Sandi will help immensely, A Pearce needs to play. Silvagni, C Pearce etc have been there long enough to cement spots & haven't so let's move on to the younger boys. Will probably get the Gold Coast but we serve that crap up against the Weagles I'm seriously afraid of what the result will be.

 

[hoss]

Spurr - Dawson - Sutcliffe
Ibbotson - Silvagni - Johnson
Hill - Sandilands - Mzungu
Weller - Fyfe - Walters
Griffin - Pavlich - Ballantyne

F: Mundy - Neale - Blakely
I/C: Al Pearce - Langdon - Mayne

Big lessons to Barlow, Clancee, Clarke, and Taberner.

Mzungu is a little more attacking so he keeps a place, while Mayne is verrrry lucky our attacking stocks of Langdon and Weller are young and maybe some experience and more pressure play would do us well.

Mzungu keeps his place lol. Clancee, Suban, Barlow were absolute crap but still better than Mzungu. Mayne and Tabs didn't get much of a chance with the whole midfield useless.

 

[Ysaye]

Changes are needed. Need some youth to enthuse the group. Why did we/they think that the team picked Saturday would get the job done? Take out Weller these are the same blokes that haven't been able to get the job done before. Pity Bennell injured, Sandi will help immensely, A Pearce needs to play. Silvagni, C Pearce etc have been there long enough to cement spots & haven't so let's move on to the younger boys. Will probably get the Gold Coast but we serve that crap up against the Weagles I'm seriously afraid of what the result will be.

A couple of points:
(1) This is the core team that has made the finals for several seasons running - in the home and away season this team has generally been very proficient at winning. So there was a reasonable basis for expecting that this team could win this weekend.
(2) Slivagni didn't play yesterday; pretty hard to take a player out of a side (or to even perform) when they weren't there in the first place.

 

[Kram]

Mzungu keeps his place lol. Clancee, Suban, Barlow were absolute crap but still better than Mzungu. Mayne and Tabs didn't get much of a chance with the whole midfield useless.

lol at him also keeping in his fav Griffin.

 

[Royston]

Tin foil hat stuff, but the way the boys played it seemed like something was rotten in the camp - I hope it's not dissension in the coaching ranks.

My wife thinks something is crook in Tullerook, perhaps next week will tell us a story.

 

[hoss]

lol at him also keeping in his fav Griffin.

I think it's a whole thread of the golden haired boys and whipping boys. As everyone except Dawson and Sheridan were a liability yesterday it's let loose time on everyone's different scapegoats.