Changes for next week Vs. West Coast

[Quackers]

Out:

Green
Tynan (surprised to be selected)
Davey
Blease (unfortunate considering he tried to create something in the 3Q to score a goal)
Rivers (Needs to do more as a leader)

In:

Pettard (Because he is a gun and can play as a defensive forward)
Morton (fit and endurance runner to suite the big oval)
Couch (fit and endurance runner to suite the big oval)
Sellar (replace Rivers)
Dunn or McDonald (again replace Rivers and possible go forward)

 

[Eth]

Anyone care to share a reason why Tynan shouldn't travel to Perth? Just curious to see why...

 

[kaiserchief13]

It will be interesting to see if Petterd comes in for Melbourne and if McGinnity comes in for WC.

 

[pjfairbairn]

Those who mentioned Rivers or McDonald getting dropped are using typical scapegoats.. They were two yesterday who threw their bodies on the line, showed some desperation and really gave it a crack.. Are either of them ever going to be our best players? of course not, but they are there to do a job and it was the likes of Grimes (nowhere near match fit), Frawley (plays like he thinks he is Scarlett), Bartram (just pure shite) and Garland (rare bad game yesterday) who were really ineffectual in defence

 

[Andy_Mac]

Those who mentioned Rivers or McDonald getting dropped are using typical scapegoats.. They were two yesterday who threw their bodies on the line, showed some desperation and really gave it a crack.. Are either of them ever going to be our best players? of course not, but they are there to do a job and it was the likes of Grimes (nowhere near match fit), Frawley (plays like he thinks he is Scarlett), Bartram (just pure shite) and Garland (rare bad game yesterday) who were really ineffectual in defence

How can you defend MacDonald yet throw his twin Bartram under the bus for being pure shite.

Both of them try there heart out, but as soon as they have to kick the footy everything goes to shite.

 

[CowboyFromHell]

Anyone care to share a reason why Tynan shouldn't travel to Perth? Just curious to see why...

And not only do they drop Tynan but they bring in serial underachievers like Dunn to take their place. Ridiculous.

 

[Logger]

Interesting people saying Davey never earned a spot and shouldn't have been in the side in the first place but just about everyone has had McDonald as an IN despite his poor form at Casey and in the NAB. Don't get me wrong, I think he'll be a player in the future, but he hasn't deserved a game from what I've read.

For mine, Neeld is still trying to send a message about hardness at the ball, so Rivers and MacDonald might stay in, Sellar comes in for Tynan to provide more height against the Eagle's tall forwardline. Green out, Petterd in. Magner injured, Couch in. Blease or Davey out, Dunn in. I'm not sure if Neeld is willing to ditch all of our crumbing options, and I really wish Bennell wasn't floated as a small forward when he's a half back flanker. If he does decide to fling them both, move Watts forward and bring Morton, Tapscott or Gysberts in based on team needs/match fitness.

Not OUT: MacDonald (good effort), Rivers (good effort), Moloney (heavily tagged)
Maybe OUT: Davey (bad effort)/Blease (fitness and effort), Tynan (balance of defence needs to be taller), Magner (injury cloud)
OUT: Green (bad effort) Davey (bad effort)/Blease (fitness and effort)

Not IN: McDonald (form)
Maybe IN: Morton/Gysberts/Tapscott (subject to team balance/match fitness), Couch (for Magner)
IN: Sellar (height and strength), Petterd (heart and X-factor), Dunn (can he be worse than Davey/Blease combo?)

I've made that needlessly complex and probably haven't even go the numbers right, but here you go.

 

[Andy_Mac]

Interesting people saying Davey never earned a spot and shouldn't have been in the side in the first place but just about everyone has had McDonald as an IN despite his poor form at Casey and in the NAB. Don't get me wrong, I think he'll be a player in the future, but he hasn't deserved a game from what I've read.

For mine, Neeld is still trying to send a message about hardness at the ball, so Rivers and MacDonald might stay in, Sellar comes in for Tynan to provide more height against the Eagle's tall forwardline. Green out, Petterd in. Magner injured, Couch in. Blease or Davey out, Dunn in. I'm not sure if Neeld is willing to ditch all of our crumbing options, and I really wish Bennell wasn't floated as a small forward when he's a half back flanker. If he does decide to fling them both, move Watts forward and bring Morton, Tapscott or Gysberts in based on team needs/match fitness.

Not OUT: MacDonald (good effort), Rivers (good effort), Moloney (heavily tagged)
Maybe OUT: Davey (bad effort)/Blease (fitness and effort), Tynan (balance of defence needs to be taller), Magner (injury cloud)
OUT: Green (bad effort) Davey (bad effort)/Blease (fitness and effort)

Not IN: McDonald (form)
Maybe IN: Morton/Gysberts/Tapscott (subject to team balance/match fitness), Couch (for Magner)
IN: Sellar (height and strength), Petterd (heart and X-factor), Dunn (can he be worse than Davey/Blease combo?)

I've made that needlessly complex and probably haven't even go the numbers right, but here you go.

Um... Not sure if you noticed but Morton and Tapscott didn't even take part in the preseason, so not sure how there form could be better.

Also Gysberts wasn't included by Neeld for a reason. Can't see whay he'd be given a reprieve based on just is game at Casey on the weekend. The same game Tommy McDonald was best on.

 

[lose]

guys we badly need some speed into the side this week.. big oval at subi nd the eagles r quick.. will carve us up if we are anything like the weekend..

also for u guys calling for rivers to be dropped, did u even watch the game? FFS I only remember 1 time when he was out marked by Leuenberger.. his spoiling was far better the both garland and frawley on Saturday.. seriously stop smashing the same blokes after every loss..

anyway I was far more worried about the pathetic effort from our miss than the backs..

So for mine:
Ins: Sellar- need the extra tall to play on the massive eagle forwards of Kennedy, Lynch, Darling nd Cox/Natanui..
Petterd- pretty self explanitary, in our top 10
Bennel- sorry guys but we badly need his line breaking out of the backline
Dunn- this hurts me but we desperately need a lead up forward nd he will play for the team
I'd also love tappy but think that's already to many changes nd another run will do him the world of good so save him for the tigers..

Out: Green- shit
Blease- zero effort
Davey- although we have no other small forward
Bartram- reckon he'll get a couple of weeks..


Then if they want another change, either tappy or Morton in for maybe Macdonald but more so for team balance..
We could change most of the side but that doesn't help either.. lots of players on notice

 

[CowboyFromHell]

Lose - how can you ask that we need more speed in the line up for the big Subi ground (which I agree with) and then go ahead and drop Blease, the quickest player in our team?

I had Blease down for being dropped but your point about Subi is a good one and we will more than likely need his foot speed, as well as probably Davey's... but Neeld may not give a shit and drop them anyway!

 

[Demon 16]

Everyone is calling for Rivers to be out... On a day when we were absolutely disgraceful, i thought he was ok! And i am by no means a Rivers fan...

I didnt think he was one of worst either. I think a few people are grouping him with Green and Davey because hes a senior player - but its a bit unfair imo.

No, but there is talk that a slinging tackle he layed yesterday might get him trouble. I didn't see it properly so can't comment.

Was that the one in the city end forward pocket? Up the other end of the ground so I didn't get a good look at it either, anybody who was close or has watched a replay (ha!) think he's in trouble?

The players momentum was already swinging in the direction he was tackled - and Bartram didnt drive him into the ground unnecessarily roughly. I would be very surprised if he is punished.

Anyone care to share a reason why Tynan shouldn't travel to Perth? Just curious to see why...

He did well for a first gamer, but after a bad loss, we need more experience. Hes not in our best 22 yet - even if he is looking good for the future.

 

[Bluelegs]

How come Petterd didn't play round 1? I am a fan of his and think he's one of you guy's best forwards. Was it just a lack of pre-season form?

I think it was general soreness. He had a pretty good pre-season, his performance against collingwood especially was pretty damn good and made up for most of our other forwards who were out that day. Really itching to have him back in the side.

 

[Franky_024]

I've had a day of self calming and probably over analysed the game yesterday but overall i'm not prepared to jump down the throats of too many players after their performance.

Overall i'd say the likes of Davey, Green, Macdonald and Bate are done and dusted. Their best is nowhere near AFL standard and would struggle at any club let alone Melbourne. The young guys i'm prepared to say give them a bit of slack, they have to learn to play together and work harder, it'll come but not round 1. I may be the only supporter thinking this but I didn't think we were a disgrace, I mean sure we got killed in the clearances but our midfield will get better. Jones and Magner worked hard all day and Watts was alright but Moloney and McKenzie will be told to work on winning more of the pill and will do better next week.

Anyway my opinon is
IN: Tappscott, Sellar, Gysberts, Petterd
OUT: Green, Davey, Macdonald, Bate

Also those bagging out Tynan how bout u STFU and respect that he put his body on the line and worked harder in his first game than half the side. Even if he isn't as good as some yet i'd rather he play week in week out than someone who doesn't deserve to

 

[Captain Jack]

Do people just think Bartram will get weeks because they want him to? There was absolutely nothing in that tackle... The bloke didn't have his arms pinned, didn't hit his head, and got up straight away to take the kick. Non-issue.

 

[Bartram_Class]

Do people just think Bartram will get weeks because they want him to? There was absolutely nothing in that tackle... The bloke didn't have his arms pinned, didn't hit his head, and got up straight away to take the kick. Non-issue.

This. Bartram will play.

Can think of 10 others I'd drop before him.

 

[On the bench]

Its ok to say changes will be made but the problem is the players that come in usually contribute nothing & those that go back to Casey usually perform well!
Unfortunately i can see a 100 point plus loss coming up!

 

[Captain Jack]

I honestly have no idea what changes we will make for this week, it's a really hard one to pick. All depends on 1. how much of a statement Neeld wants to make and 2. which players have the match fitness to come up from Casey.

Blease is surely a definite out - he just didn't put his body on the line often enough. Don't think he's meant to be a forward either. Plus his engine isn't up to a full AFL game yet, which is concerning after a decent pre-season. Petterd should come in for him hopefully, although his fitness may not be amazing... sub candidate? I think so.

I'd like to see Sellar (or possibly Tom McDonald) in for Joel Mac - sure, Joel tries hard but he's just a liability with ball in hands and isn't big enough to take one of WCE's array of tall forwards. Sellar could be a good option to play on their resting ruckman... Rivers certainly is not. Then they have Kennedy, Darling and Lynch as well (Frawley, Garland, Rivers respectively I think).

If Tapscott is ready to go I would like to see him in for Tynan - the kid did OK, but he struggled to run out the game and will struggle even more on the expanses of Patersons. Tapscott brings much more to the table.

If Magner doesn't get up (god help us), Couch would come in for him I guess.

Not sure if Davey deserves a game... I didn't think he was THAT bad, he put on some good pressure at times and laid a few tackles, but really needs to 1. do that 100% of the time, not just when he feels like it, and 2. get his hands on the ball more. I see Bennell was named in the bests for Casey, but that doesn't fill me with confidence. Give Aaron another crack at it.

Green... got on the end of some junk time ball, and did FA else. Not sure who would come in for him though. He'll continue to have games like this if he plays mostly as a forward... the game plan just doesn't suit his lead-and-mark preferences, and he's in poor form anyway. Needs to play much more up the ground to have an impact. Morton maybe? Again, not an inspiring choice.

**** this shit.

 

[Crusty Demon]

Its ok to say changes will be made but the problem is the players that come in usually contribute nothing & those that go back to Casey usually perform well!
Unfortunately i can see a 100 point plus loss coming up!

I agree. Another 186 could be on the cards if we play like we did on Saturday.

IN
*Sellar(will be needed against a tall forwardline, and Rivers just can't handle a resting ruckman)
*T McDonald(try him up forward instead of Martin who is clearly not a forward)
*Petterd(obvious inclusion if fit)
*Gysberts(it's time for this kid to step up)

OUT
*J MacDonald(competes ok, but simply makes too many errors)
*Davey(Petterd can replace him. His career looks over)
*Tynan(I like him and he tried hard, but West Coast is a touugh ask for the kid)
*Green(it's like playing 2 men short when Davey and Green are in the side. Game has gone past him)

From what I hear, Tapscott may be another week away, and I wouldn't risk flying him to Perth. So Blease gets another chance to redeem himself, and the big ground should suit him. I'd also look at getting Bennell in to break the lines, but not sure where he is at. Sellar will play. We simply need him to play on Cox or NicNat. Rivers is useless playing on a resting ruckman. T McDonald will be a player. Our backline have enough talls, so lets try him up forward. Stef Martin cannot play forward. He's a second ruck to Jamar, and should be played just as that. And it's time for Gysberts to start stringing some good games together, so lets give him a go in the middle where we were smashed. I didn't want to take Tynan out, but I feel Bate will play a full game this week and virtually take his spot against a tough team. Geez we are up against it this weekend...

 

[lose]

Lose - how can you ask that we need more speed in the line up for the big Subi ground (which I agree with) and then go ahead and drop Blease, the quickest player in our team?

I had Blease down for being dropped but your point about Subi is a good one and we will more than likely need his foot speed, as well as probably Davey's... but Neeld may not give a shit and drop them anyway!

I actually agreed with wat ur saying CFH and Blease's speed is needed BUT he is not a forward and only has a place coming out of the backline or up on the wing.. I can't see Neeld playing him that way as he is grooming him as a forward so therefore he doesn't have a place for mine.. BUT WE ARE DESPERATE FOR SPEED INTO THIS SIDE

 

[Captain Jack]

I actually agreed with wat ur saying CFH and Blease's speed is needed BUT he is not a forward and only has a place coming out of the backline or up on the wing.. I can't see Neeld playing him that way as he is grooming him as a forward so therefore he doesn't have a place for mine.. BUT WE ARE DESPERATE FOR SPEED INTO THIS SIDE

Speed is needed, yes, but endurance too... Patersons is enormous, and Blease doesn't have the tank for that.

 

[Logger]

Um... Not sure if you noticed but Morton and Tapscott didn't even take part in the preseason, so not sure how there form could be better.

Also Gysberts wasn't included by Neeld for a reason. Can't see whay he'd be given a reprieve based on just is game at Casey on the weekend. The same game Tommy McDonald was best on.

AFAIK Morton was in rehab for the last 3 weeks of the pre-season with a minor knee tweak. Otherwise he had a full pre-season. Tapscott I agree is probaly undercooked, and Gysberts still needs to build consistancy and endurance. This is why I had the three of them as maybe coming in to fill one spot, given I read they'd all had a good game either this week or last.

Still, you have to give someone a repreive if you're going to drop others. And the only form there is to go on is pre-season and a couple of games for Casey.

 

[maxmustard]

Ins Sellar (wc giant forwards), Gysberts, Petterd.
Out Joel Mac, Davey, Green.

I want to see Brent Moloney play well when things are tough for once, if not I'd send him back soon too. Also would give Blease another go on the big ground. Bombing the ball as long as you can to nobody makes it hard for a run and carry player.

 

[Crimson Azure]

This. Bartram will play.

Can think of 10 others I'd drop before him.

Strong username to post ratio.

Bartram made a couple of poor decisions during the game but he also put his body on the line which is more then I can say for a number of players.

As for who should stay or go I'm looking at it more from the 'who earned their spot next for week' more than who should be dropped. Then work backwards from there until you can't justify them playing against the Eagles.

 

[stretcharmstrong]

Neeld's "blind faith" comment has me fairly convinced that at least one of Moloney, Green or Davey will be dropped.

I would drop MacDonald. As others have noted, he competes well but often finds himself out of position and he is just so unreliable with the ball in his hands under any sort of pressure.

Apart from that, I thought Jamar was clearly our next worst - but we obviously won't be going to Perth without him!

Talk of Blease and Bartram's games are a bit too negative for mine. Bartram was probably in our best ten. Blease actually went in hard early and got himself into a few good spots to give himself opportunities at goal, but he did fade out and when he faded, he faded hard (but so did 17 or 18 other blokes). He probably needs a month at Casey for his fitness.

Frawley, Garland and Rivers all appeared to me to have poor games, despite each having good periods. None dropped, but if I were amongst the coaching group I would be showing each of them some video footage of spots where they were poor and putting them on notice.

Tynan showed a lot of willingness to work hard and I'd give him another run.

Of the guys that performed for Casey, I would consider Mcdonald, Sellar and Couch as possible Ins. Morton and Bennell need to string some good games together for me.

So for me...

OUT:
MacDonald
Blease
At least one of Green, Davey and Moloney.

IN:
Sellar
Couch(?)
McDonald

EDIT: Forgot Petterd, probably gets a spot ahead of Couch for me, although it depends on the outs from the Davey, Green, Moloney group...

 

[2 Dogs]

I'm a staunch MacDonald defender, but Sellar needs to get the nod ahead of him next week.

Morton is a must have inclusion. Stats have shown we need to improve our uncontested football.

If Petterd is fit has to come in, at expense of Green.

If Magner doesn't come up, I'm ok with either Gysberts of Couch. Prefer the Gys.

Davey has not looked interested for a long time. Needs to regain hunger for the game.

In: Sellar, Morton, Petterd
Out: MacDonald, Green, Davey