Changes for next week

[Rob]

I don't think it's just about speed. IMO it's also about intensity of effort ie. mental toughness and wanting the ball more than your opponent.

Yep, you don't get killed in the clearances because you're slow.

 

[hoss]

OUT: Tarrent Solomon J.Carr Bell Thornton Sandilands

IN: Foster Hinkley Drum Obrein Murphy Mi Johnson
EM Ibbotson

Grover should be one to look at as well. has been beaten all year. Id rather Bradley than him if he play another sh.t game next week.
Today Terry Wallace said that this game is a running game no need for key position players. As long as you can run the rest will pay off. We need youth. We need players who can run. Just about all these players have been performing since round one a deserve a shot.

Bell, Solomon? lmfao.. most of those guys at least tried today. In case you missed the game there were a couple of players that didn't - and you haven't even mentioned them??

 

[Freo Shark]

I don't think it's just about speed. IMO it's also about intensity of effort ie. mental toughness and wanting the ball more than your opponent.

I wouldnt disagree with what you said. But a lack of speed and being second to the ball doesnt help us.

I just hope Harvs knows who to ____ off end of the year. Its really back to the basics and no-one is owed a game except Pav and the young guys. Its time to rid the club of the culture. If Harvs doesnt take the broom out the players will end up sweeping him out.

 

[Borry]

Tarrant has to go. Just cannot defend the indefensible anymore.

 

[Freeeoo]

I wouldnt disagree with what you said.

Its time to rid the club of the culture. If Harvs doesnt take the broom out the players will end up sweeping him out.

Spot on.

 

[Embers]

Tarrant couldnt mark the ball when it landed 5 feet infront of him. He actually worked hard today

Brett Peake on the other hand. That is terminate his contract now type of stuff really. Reminds me of Callum Chambers so much its scary

It is a little sad ive been to all 3 dockers home games tho. Maybe I should buy a scarf

 

[E Shed]

You mean the midfield that was a worry two years ago? The one that could have done well to have a young speedster in it, rather than a forward who looks closer to retirement than a premiership? But instead we traded a high pick, in a super draft, for a hack.

Great.

Touche.

Tarrant was woeful. Put him on a wing in the last quarter and he was practically running away from it. Touched it twice and turned it over both times. There is way more upside to playing Murphy. Pav looks better without Tarrant in the setup. Marcus Drum must play.

Our midfield was absolutely trounced at the centre bounces and their runners cut us to pieces. Must retool the midfield.

At least Harves mixed it up a bit with the centre setups.

 

[Choota]

Today Terry Wallace said that this game is a running game no need for key position players.

This is the bloke who overlooked Franklin.

 

[Avid_Avenger]

Anyone who jeered Tarrant at the game should be ashamed... anyone who jeers him on here hasn't got a clue...

Taz was fantastic early, one of the only guys other than McPharlin having a real hot go. He drifted out of the game last 2nd and in the 3rd coz we simply didn't have control of the ball and hardly got it down there. And when we did the delivery was ****house. Plus Taz gets absolutely mauled by defenders week in, week out and gets nothing from the umpires. He deserved 2-3 frees again today.

Our problem is - and always has been - through the midfield. Most of our midfielders were slow, had no intensity, didn't run hard offensively or defensively and didn't apply enough pressure around contests.

Other than the first 2 minutes, Peake showed again why he is not worth a game.
My midfield analysis from TV:

Peake - crapola. Has no heart, won't chase and is as weak as piss.
Crowley - decent. looked more of a midfielder than his teammates.
Schammer - crap today. Always knocked off his feet, always fumbles.
Des - poor game. hurt his knee though.
Solly - one of our best even though he was knocked out.
Belly - Solid.
Mundy - average. Continues to be weak in contests.
Pav - how bad would we have been without him?
Palmer - bad day at the office. Appeared too cocky at times.
Josh - Very crap!!! Didn't look interested.
Sandi - Tried hard but was killed around ground. Ruck work was decent.
Warnock - Average day by the beanpole.
Duffield - said it before - not a backman! Crap but better when on the ball
Farmer - the only one to show energy in the centre square.
Gilmore - Didn't work in the ruck. Tried hard in various positions.
Mayne - great. Tried hard all day and always gives his all.

On a side note - Thornton was crap too. Dodd and Grover were average.

What does that mean?
Belly, Pav, Farmer, Mayne and Crowley were our best through the middle.
Belly is getting past it and Pav, Farmer and Mayne are forwards. Crowley is the only middle tier player to show any effort/skill/poise.

So?
MUST have changes through the middle. MUST have players who are desperate, decently skilled and have decent pace.
OUT: Peake, Schammer, Duff. (Des - injured?). If Josh Carr plays like that again, drop him.

INS: Mi Johnson for Thornton. And any of Foster, O'Brien, Ibbotson. Also one of McManus and Ma Johnson could be a chance.

I would also try to slot Drum into the team.

 

[Ripper]

Tarrant has to go. Just cannot defend the indefensible anymore.

I suppose you were one booing him today.

He got more of the ball than 16 other players despite being a forward and you single him out.

Unbelievable!

 

[hoss]

Anyone who jeered Tarrant at the game should be ashamed... anyone who jeers him on here hasn't got a clue...

Taz was fantastic early, one of the only guys other than McPharlin having a real hot go. He drifted out of the game last 2nd and in the 3rd coz we simply didn't have control of the ball and hardly got it down there. And when we did the delivery was ****house. Plus Taz gets absolutely mauled by defenders week in, week out and gets nothing from the umpires. He deserved 2-3 frees again today.

Our problem is - and always has been - through the midfield. Most of our midfielders were slow, had no intensity, didn't run hard offensively or defensively and didn't apply enough pressure around contests.

Other than the first 2 minutes, Peake showed again why he is not worth a game.
My midfield analysis from TV:

Peake - crapola. Has no heart, won't chase and is as weak as piss.
Crowley - decent. looked more of a midfielder than his teammates.
Schammer - crap today. Always knocked off his feet, always fumbles.
Des - poor game. hurt his knee though.
Solly - one of our best even though he was knocked out.
Belly - Solid.
Mundy - average. Continues to be weak in contests.
Pav - how bad would we have been without him?
Palmer - bad day at the office. Appeared too cocky at times.
Josh - Very crap!!! Didn't look interested.
Sandi - Tried hard but was killed around ground. Ruck work was decent.
Warnock - Average day by the beanpole.
Duffield - said it before - not a backman! Crap but better when on the ball
Farmer - the only one to show energy in the centre square.
Gilmore - Didn't work in the ruck. Tried hard in various positions.
Mayne - great. Tried hard all day and always gives his all.

On a side note - Thornton was crap too. Dodd and Grover were average.

What does that mean?
Belly, Pav, Farmer, Mayne and Crowley were our best through the middle.
Belly is getting past it and Pav, Farmer and Mayne are forwards. Crowley is the only middle tier player to show any effort/skill/poise.

So?
MUST have changes through the middle. MUST have players who are desperate, decently skilled and have decent pace.
OUT: Peake, Schammer, Duff. (Des - injured?). If Josh Carr plays like that again, drop him.

INS: Mi Johnson for Thornton. And any of Foster, O'Brien, Ibbotson. Also one of McManus and Ma Johnson could be a chance.

I would also try to slot Drum into the team.

Very astute post, well said.

 

[hoss]

Touche.

Tarrant was woeful. Put him on a wing in the last quarter and he was practically running away from it. Touched it twice and turned it over both times. There is way more upside to playing Murphy. Pav looks better without Tarrant in the setup. Marcus Drum must play.

Our midfield was absolutely trounced at the centre bounces and their runners cut us to pieces. Must retool the midfield.

At least Harves mixed it up a bit with the centre setups.

Ffs, he turned it over because no one was prepared to put in the hard yards further up the field (*read Mundy) You're crucifying one of our few players who actually put in today.

 

[Frigate]

What gets my goat is the pathetic bunch of people that have a hidden agenda for their favourite WAFL players and try to rally against particular people. Get over yourselves you don't help this club one iota.

If you watched that game you would have noticed :

1. Nobody did enough (except Pavlich)
2. We refused to play man on man when we clearly lost all over the ground.
3. Nobody was holding tackles (Wiz included).
4. Delivery across the ground was just woeful
5. Soloman and McPharlin dropped chest marks
6. The game plan sucked a$$ - honestly lets do something different and come out to the right up the wing to the flank and then maybe centre it? Very hard to work that game plan out.
7. I have supported Mundy for ever and thought criticism was unjustified - was I let down today. When Solly got run down he did not even think to shephard. He was slow and did not try.
8. I did not see any of the mids doing stuff all.

But lets do the usual Peake and Tarrant are the reason we lost thread. Let me tell you Peake was much better than quite a few mids, and Tarrant did not shy from one contest, was not out-marked once and had to put himself in harms way just to make a 50/50 at times. Not saying they were good, becaause that would be untrue, NOBODY was good.

And play the card Murphy only played bad in the WAFL because his confidence is gone. Would Tarrant get that luxury. I think not.

Anyway I look forward to quite a few rotations. And for everyone that got their wish that Matt Carr get dropped - can you explain to me who comes close to him as a shut down player?

 

[Lach72]

Tarrant couldnt mark the ball when it landed 5 feet infront of him. He actually worked hard today

Brett Peake on the other hand. That is terminate his contract now type of stuff really. Reminds me of Callum Chambers so much its scary

It is a little sad ive been to all 3 dockers home games tho. Maybe I should buy a scarf

Making sense here Embers...you'll get a reputation.

You know people are sheep.
Tarrant's first half was very good.
Shepherds, contests, a good mark and a nice goal,
Second half was ordinary.

Our midfield was abysmal...Do we have a team rule for the mids that says if you can't kick to a two on one that favours the opposition, ____ the kick up and make it really, really difficult for the leading forward?

Mundy did both right in front of us.
Tarrant has two on one against and Mayne is leading his man by 3 meters...now logic says kick it to Mayne, right? Right?
Of course ____ing not...lets kick it to Tarrant...but not give him any chance...let's lollipop the damn thing so he's really got no hope.

 

[Lach72]

What gets my goat is the pathetic bunch of people that have a hidden agenda for their favourite WAFL players and try to rally against particular people. Get over yourselves you don't help this club one iota.

If you watched that game you would have noticed :

1. Nobody did enough (except Pavlich)
2. We refused to play man on man when we clearly lost all over the ground.
3. Nobody was holding tackles (Wiz included).
4. Delivery across the ground was just woeful
5. Soloman and McPharlin dropped chest marks
6. The game plan sucked a$$ - honestly lets do something different and come out to the right up the wing to the flank and then maybe centre it? Very hard to work that game plan out.
7. I have supported Mundy for ever and thought criticism was unjustified - was I let down today. When Solly got run down he did not even think to shephard. He was slow and did not try.
8. I did not see any of the mids doing stuff all.

But lets do the usual Peake and Tarrant are the reason we lost thread. Let me tell you Peake was much better than quite a few mids, and Tarrant did not shy from one contest, was not out-marked once and had to put himself in harms way just to make a 50/50 at times. Not saying they were good, becaause that would be untrue, NOBODY was good.

And play the card Murphy only played bad in the WAFL because his confidence is gone. Would Tarrant get that luxury. I think not.

Anyway I look forward to quite a few rotations. And for everyone that got their wish that Matt Carr get dropped - can you explain to me who comes close to him as a shut down player?

There is no way, as long as my arse points to the ground that Peake is an AFL footballer...

 

[Freeeoo]

There is no way, as long as my arse points to the ground that Peake is an AFL footballer...

Agreed. He's got the talent but not the will, the latter being the fundamental key ingredient for anyone to succeed at anything.

 

[Embers]

Today also clearly showed. You need a tagger. You can get away with not playing a tagger in away games but at Subi the gun midfielders find too much space and can be too damaging. I lost count the amount of times Nathan Foley delivered it inside50.

The only 2 players for your lot who are even close to playing this role are Brock O Brien or Mark Johnson. Johnson wouldnt have the leg speed anymore so Brock O Brien it is. Has to start every game and every minute. Some defensive aspects of your midfield (shepherds blocks) were non existant today

 

[GreatPurpleShark]

Isn't it funny that the forwards have a bad day when the midfield barely gets it in their. And when it did come in it was to the advantage of the opposition or a 50/50 ball at ground. Forwards will never capitalise on every opportunity but if the midfield do enough then not only will they convert enough opportunities to put a score on the board but the opposition will have less shots. It looked like we didn't have a midfield. 80-90% of their touches were uncontested on the wing on the rebound. To win a game of footy you actually have to win your share of the ball. How many more touches did they have?

the backs where below average also, but they looked even worse due to the fact the tigers actually had a decent crack at delivering the ball to the forwards. but that is still no excuse for our lack of accountability down there. why did we play a half done scotty over Mi J?

Palmer tried all day but got brought back to earth a bit. Atleast his instinct is to have a crack. Tarrant only kicked one less goal than pav and elvis although he wasn't very clean with the ball when he had it. They should start teaching him to be a midfielder as well, why can't we convert that speed on a lead to a break out of the centre?

We need quick players that actually run people down and can win a clearance.

 

[E Shed]

I'm going to have to force myself to watch the replay or at least the 2 quarters where we aren't kicking to the end I sit. I thought Tarrant was pretty ordinary But 2 many people are saying he was good so I need to take another look.

I might wade back in when I've had a look at the tape.

 

[Clay Davis]

The midfield has been subpar for years. Too reliant on the talent of Bell, and pitch in efforts of Carr, Headland or another. We've struggled to get consistency from them as a group for over 2 years.

However, two years ago our forward line was functioning fine, even in the face of a second rate midfield. What's obvious now is that both our forward line AND midfield are playing at a second rate level.

The decision not to draft strongly at the end of 2006 and chase a trade is coming back to bite us hard. It will only compound in years to come as the loss of our more talented players (Wiz, Bell) starts to hurt us.

 

[The Night Shift]

swing it harvs

aren't you swinging it @ harvey ? Bring Back CC??

 

[Borry]

I suppose you were one booing him today.

He got more of the ball than 16 other players despite being a forward and you single him out.

Unbelievable!

I was not booing him, I'm just pointing out the fact that he hasn't performed anywhere near what he should. Hie recent performances warrant targeting him over others. He had 13 disposals and one goal in his first two games and thats after coming off a season where many believed that he hasn't performed at the level he should given that we sold the farm to get him over here.

H e has shown nothing to change my stubbornly negative opinion yet.

 

[Clay Davis]

Remember, Tarrant cost us three players. Has he really been worth two depth players and a first round pick?

 

[Lach72]

Remember, Tarrant cost us three players. Has he really been worth two depth players and a first round pick?

He should just apologise and mend your bruised feelings?

 

[Reveler]

harvey has been in the job less than a year and people are already calling for his head? give the boy a bit more time.