Changes for next week?

[Drummond]

This thread is always up nice and early, so might as well keep that tradition alive.

What will probably happen:

In: Porplyzia, Maric
Out: Armstrong, Griffin

What should happen:

In: Porplyzia, Maric, Burton (?), Young
Out: Armstrong, Griffin, Douglas, Hentschel

If Sloane is injured, I'd take the punt and upgrade Jaensch and slot him on the wing. 28 possessions, 3 tackles, got the pace, agility and skill set we are craving for. Even Henderson is knocking on the door, but Central have a bye next week, awful timing. If Burton isn't fit, then upgrade Hendo and slot the star in.

 

[Geoffa32]

Respect the opposition...............

 

[cammo6556]

This thread is always up nice and early, so might as well keep that tradition alive.

What will probably happen:

In: Porplyzia, Maric
Out: Armstrong, Griffin

What should happen:

In: Porplyzia, Maric, Burton (?), Young
Out: Armstrong, Griffin, Douglas, Hentschel

If Sloane is injured, I'd take the punt and upgrade Jaensch and slot him on the wing. 28 possessions, 3 tackles, got the pace, agility and skill set we are craving for. Even Henderson is knocking on the door, but Central have a bye next week, awful timing. If Burton isn't fit, then upgrade Hendo and slot the star in.

I'm with you on the jaensch upgrade drumm... I'm sure we recruited him to play... Why not? His form looks good!

 

[NTRabbit]

In: Porplyzia, Maric, Sellar

Out: Sloane (inj), Griffin, Armstrong

I daresay the single ruckman strategy won't survive into round 2.

Petrenko to slot back into defence. Sadly there's nobody else due back this week, otherwise Cook and then Petrenko would be on the block.

The only upgrade I see in the immediate future is Schmidt. Jaensch won't have the fitness base, Henderson doesn't have enough senior experience.

 

[Drummond]

I'm with you on the jaensch upgrade drumm... I'm sure we recruited him to play... Why not? His form looks good!

I admit, this is a problem I’m beginning to have with the AFC hierarchy. We rookie players for what exactly, to monitor them over an entire season and then decided what to do with them whether upgrade, re-rookie or release? Why not give them a go, isn’t that what they’re there for?

Jaensch, readymade, very solid unit, beautiful disposal, pace and agility, lets take a punt by upgrading him and seeing what he can offer. I’m not sure what else there’s left for him to prove in the local league. We saw his class on Saturday, he ran all day and carved the Panthers up through the middle and on the wings.

Of course in reality he won't be upgraded this year unless we lose 5 midfielders with LT injuries, even then I'm sure we'd have some plan that involves keeping the rookies as just that.

The only upgrade I see in the immediate future is Schmidt. Jaensch won't have the fitness base, Henderson doesn't have enough senior experience.

Obviously a big difference between the ferocity of the AFL compared to the SANFL, but he could be a burst player this year. Ran all day Saturday for his 28 possessions and didn't once take a spell. He's fit enough to do a job, maybe not play 80% of the game but enough to certainly put his talent to use.

 

[cammo6556]

I admit, this is a problem I’m beginning to have with the AFC hierarchy. We rookie players for what exactly, to monitor them over an entire season and then decided what to do with them whether upgrade, re-rookie or release? Why not give them a go, isn’t that what they’re there for?

Jaensch, readymade, very solid unit, beautiful disposal, pace and agility, lets take a punt by upgrading him and seeing what he can offer. I’m not sure what else there’s left for him to prove in the local league. We saw his class on Saturday, he ran all day and carved the Panthers up through the middle and on the wings.

Of course in reality he won't be upgraded this year unless we lose 5 midfielders with LT injuries, even then I'm sure we'd have some plan that involves keeping the rookies as just that.


Obviously a big difference between the ferocity of the AFL compared to the SANFL, but he could be a burst player this year. Ran all day Saturday for his 28 possessions and didn't once take a spell. He's fit enough to do a job, maybe not play 80% of the game but enough to certainly put his talent to use.

Schmidt looks ok. Should get the job done. And that's exactly what we need after tonight. Jaensch has been a sanfl star for a while, shows good current form and should be able to handle the intensity of afl footy as well as any of our kid mids... How good does his form have to be?

 

[CrowCro]

This thread is always up nice and early, so might as well keep that tradition alive.

What will probably happen:

In: Porplyzia, Maric
Out: Armstrong, Griffin

What should happen:

In: Porplyzia, Maric, Burton (?), Young
Out: Armstrong, Griffin, Douglas, Hentschel

If Sloane is injured, I'd take the punt and upgrade Jaensch and slot him on the wing. 28 possessions, 3 tackles, got the pace, agility and skill set we are craving for. Even Henderson is knocking on the door, but Central have a bye next week, awful timing. If Burton isn't fit, then upgrade Hendo and slot the star in.

You all talk so much rubbish. Just drop everyone. Like Will young would do any better. Sandilands even killed Tippett and we all know Tippets strength. He is a monster.Griffin was always going to lose the ruck we just had no plan to work to this and their leg pace like with Port Killed us. As good as Vince Porps , Vanberlo, Edwards, Thompson are they are not naturally really quick players that can break lines like Hill, Ibbotson, Grundy e, Mundy etc. These guys run with ease and are not even puffed. Unfortunately this is the best we have . Its the downfall off finishing top eight year after year. You dont get the cream of the crop in young players. Teams like Freo are always going to come through eventually. Today showed so much about our lack of natural runners.

Yes Jaensh and Martin when fit are needed. Barlow shows that good VFL form and martin that good SANFL form can be brought into the AFL. We need natural runners thus Yaensh is a definite and Henderson in Ottens position- I know he would play it well , he has speed jump and strong arse region to hold ground now.

 

[relapse]

I dont think we are in a positon to make a massive amount of changes.

Maric will definately come in as will Porps, the rest will come down to when other players are fit. There is no point dropping someone like douglas to play a rookie

 

[cammo6556]

I dont think we are in a positon to make a massive amount of changes.

Maric will definately come in as will Porps, the rest will come down to when other players are fit. There is no point dropping someone like douglas to play a rookie

why not drop one of the guys who is offering nothing in favour of an unknown quantity??? What have we got to lose? If anything it give the more senior player a kick up the bum

 

[Glenno23]

I dont think we are in a positon to make a massive amount of changes.

Maric will definately come in as will Porps, the rest will come down to when other players are fit. There is no point dropping someone like douglas to play a rookie

Why not?

We won't be any worse off. Dougie burnt it up in the pre season and spudded it up when the real stuff begins. Why keep him? What does he offer (besides experience) that a young player wouldn't?

It won't happen though

Out: Griff, Armstrong, Sloane (inj)
In: Porps, Maric, Sellar

 

[Drummond]

You all talk so much rubbish. Just drop everyone. Like Will young would do any better. Sandilands even killed Tippett and we all know Tippets strength. He is a monster.Griffin was always going to lose the ruck we just had no plan to work to this and their leg pace like with Port Killed us. As good as Vince Porps , Vanberlo, Edwards, Thompson are they are not naturally really quick players that can break lines like Hill, Ibbotson, Grundy e, Mundy etc. These guys run with ease and are not even puffed. Unfortunately this is the best we have . Its the downfall off finishing top eight year after year. You dont get the cream of the crop in young players. Teams like Freo are always going to come through eventually. Today showed so much about our lack of natural runners.

Tippett might have lost his contests to Sandilands but he showed something Griffin didn’t, or might not have, heart. Believe it or not that’s all I ask. Maric and Sellar >>> Griffin. So when saying that anyone would have lost to Sandilands is a complete cop-out to how pathetic Griffin was.

I thought Griffin wouldn’t get another game after his insipid ‘effort’ against Port Adelaide early last year and yet I was mistaken, seems like at 24 years of age and 6 years on the list they still think he's going to transform into a ruckman of some worth.

Yes, I want everyone dropped. 4= everyone. Explanations then:

Armstrong → Burton.

If he's fit, Burton needs to come in. Although there's certainly substance in the theory that he should spend a few weeks in the SANFL even though I don't think playing underdone players was even close to being the reason for tonight's debacle. Armstrong was way out of his depth. 2 OOF and was out-bodied with such ease time and time again. There ware glimpses of real ability but he's a year or two off. In his 3rd year, that's a concern IMO.

Griffin → Maric.

Simple, Griffin's a spud, Maric is our best ruckman who shows so much heart every time he steps on the field. Was really improving around the ground late last year.

Douglas → Porplyzia.

Similar to the Griffin for Maric swap, you're replacing a spud for one of the most naturally talented players in the competition.

Hentschel → Young.

Hentschel's not in our long term plans whereas Young is. He's physically ready for AFL, can't say the same thing for Armstrong. Ben Hart mentioned him on the radio as being able to play on talls and smalls, so there's always going to be a job for Young.

 

[Huntercrow]

It is round 1 and means nothing in the long term!

 

[Huntercrow]

As bad as it was tonight next week it means squat!

 

[Mismatched]

Assuming(and yet still hoping they might be) Knights and Burton aren't ready for this week:

Out:
Sloane(inj) - hopefully he'll be okay, but didn't look great.
Griffin - None of our rucks are going to dominate, Maric and Sellar though give a far better contest.
Armstrong - A few good signs, but still probably a year off IMO being truely ready.

In:
Porplyzia - No brainer.
Maric - I hope we were simply giving him an extra week to get over his injury.
Sellar - We need 2 genuine rucks, simple as that. Also offers a decent contest everytime and gives us much greater flexibility than Griffin with his ability to play back/forward.

Craigy isn't generally a fan of making too many changes, but I think we need to bring in 2 genuine rucks and I personally think, despite their obvious limitations, Maric and Sellar are currently our best options(followed by McKernan) and well Porplyzia must come in.

 

[relapse]

Why not?

We won't be any worse off. Dougie burnt it up in the pre season and spudded it up when the real stuff begins. Why keep him? What does he offer (besides experience) that a young player wouldn't?

It won't happen though

Out: Griff, Armstrong, Sloane (inj)
In: Porps, Maric, Sellar

Because this year is not about development, the club has signalled it's intention that they think they can win the flag.

This means conservative list management, the club is not about to throw Dougie out of the side who could possibly be part of the side in September for a rookie, just will never happen.

The club will continue to persevere with Dougie until an experienced replacement is fit and available.

Honestly though, if we were at the point of relying on bringing in rookies to be competitive then we would be in some serious trouble. So lets not overract.

 

[Glenno23]

Because this year is not about development, the club has signalled it's intention that they think they can win the flag.

This means conservative list management, the club is not about to throw Dougie out of the side who could possibly be part of the side in September for a rookie, just will never happen.

The club will continue to persevere with Dougie until an experienced replacement is fit and available.

Honestly though, if we are at the point of relying on bringing in rookies to be competitive then we are in some serious trouble. So lets not overract.

Fair enough point

I would think he would be the 23rd player on our list though. 1st out when the likes of Knights, Porps, Burton are back, but gets a game when needed for backup...

Its just so frustrating that he can be so good pre season, he has also bulked up and still spuds it up when the real stuff begins (not that he was on his own tonight) but he's had plenty of seasons to get it right

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

Because this year is not about development, the club has signalled it's intention that they think they can win the flag.

This means conservative list management, the club is not about to throw Dougie out of the side who could possibly be part of the side in September for a rookie, just will never happen.

The club will continue to persevere with Dougie until an experienced replacement is fit and available.

Honestly though, if we were at the point of relying on bringing in rookies to be competitive then we would be in some serious trouble. So lets not overract.

without knowing your rookies too well, sometimes they just need to be given a chance. i know your side is a top 6 side and we have been cellar dwellars since 06, but i'll give you a list of names- sandilands, duffield, broughton, barlow, crowley..... all played round 1 and all had a big impact. again i know we have been pretty ordinary and its easier to give rookies a go in poor sides, but if you guys have someone looking good in tha sanfl, id want to give them a go... its the only part of recruiting and development fremantle has gotten right consistently. we have found with our rookies, that they tend to have more desire and appreciation for their spots, creating more desperation and passion for the jumper. and every team can use a bit more of that. be interested to see what transpires

 

[Paladin]

Phil Harper said on the radio before the game that Knights and Burton are good to play this week, its just a matter of SANFL or AFL. Throw them straight in i reckon.

In Knights, Burton, Maric, Porps, Sellar

Out Griffin, Armstrong, Douglas, Cook, Hentschel

If Sloane is injured and cant play keep Cook.

 

[Firewalker]

Craigy & the match committee will predictably be conservative, that's why everybody's favourite Jonathon will probably get another undeserved go, Porps is a must in and another ruckman will also come in either Ivan or Jimmy Sellar. Sloan and Armstrong will both be omitted for inexperience among other things.

I wouldn't mind seeing the big useless 200cm 'ruckman' disappear, nor would I mind seeing the departure of either Stevens or Hentschel, both appear 'past it', both look slow and are currently not bringing anything to the table. Hentschel 'used' to be a good forward but not anymore and now you don't want him clogging up the space for Kurt, Walker or any other Leading forwards in the forward 50 and so the only other role he can play is as a loose man in defence which he doesn't do that well either, his spot in the team is severely in doubt and so is his future.

Scotty Stevens is unlikely to be dropped due to what Craig sees as his 'versatility' but I see it as him not being able to have enough pace or agility to be a full-time forward and not having the strength, disposal skill or ability to read the play to be a full-time defender.

I don't mind Scotty in the team but his disposal is a major concern and still seems to be confused about what role at which time he is playing (a better player suited to the 3rd tall defender role he's playing at the moment would be Will Young who really looks like a likely type and AFL ready) and while Scott apparently did have a slight concussion against the dockers he couldn't seem to keep up with any of his opponents (leading to many free man opportunity’s for Freo) and his chase on Morabito in the 3rd term which led to a goal was very weak and half hearted something you don't expect from him, will probably be saved by injuries for the moment but when Burton, Knights, Johncock and maybe Symes comeback we'll see.

Team Selection


Probable’s

In: Maric, Porplyzia

Out: Sloan - (inj/omit), Armstrong - (omit)


Not Safe - Scott Stevens, Brent Reilly, Richard Douglas, Jared Petrenko

Final Warning - Trent Hentschel

Just Get Out - Jonathon Griffin

On the Brink -James Sellar, Will Young

Not Ready Yet - Burton (SANFL this week) , Knights (SANFL this week or 1 more week )


Could'a/Should'a

In: Maric, Porplyzia, Sellar, Young,

Out: Sloan - (inj/omit), Armstrong - (omit), Griffin - (kidnapped and thrown over a cliff by bigfooty posters ), Hentschel - (omit)

 

[McCavity]

History tells us that Craigy doesn't have a history of making wholesale changes from one week to the next. However, I think current circumstances may well dictate that he has to go against his normal thinking.
Griffin and Armstrong have to go. Griffin is clearly not (and will never be) up to it at this level. Maric (and Sellar if fit) have to come back in. They may not be the classiest big blokes going around, but they at least provide a contest and work hard around the ground.
Armstrong is not up to it yet. He needs time to develop further in the SANFL, although to be fair to him, had Johncock not busted his thumb that's probably where he would have played this week.
Of the others - I hate to say it, but I think the time has come for Trent Hentschel. Sentiment has no place in footy, and I think he needs to go.
Petrenko made some blunders (but so did everyone under Freo's tackling pressure), but showed enough with his attack on the ball that he deserves another chance.
For me Four out - Armstrong, Griffin,Hentschel and Sloane (inj). Four in Maric, Sellar, Porplyzia and Knights.

 

[amer]

If Griffin plays next week I will be horrified.

 

[jackster83]

I think Armstrong should stay in the side another week - unless we put Petrenko down back (hint hint). Armstrong did make some bad mistakes but he also did some pretty nice things.

 

[WALL-e]

Thought Reilly provided a lot more effort (and result mind you) than a lot of others.

If I were on the panel I'd bring in Sellar and Maric along with the Porp for Sloane (inj), Griffin and Armstong.

If Davis or McKernan were half ready I'd bring them in for Rowdy as well.

 

[KUNG FU]

In: Burton (if fit), Porplyzia, Maric
Out: Sloane (inj/omit), Armstrong, Hentschel

When Armstrong was drafted he was always going to be 2 years behind everyone else. i actually thought he played a really good game, needs to develop his defensive game a bit more, but he definitely has the capacity to be a top echelon player. Seemed quite level-headed. But he misses on a first in, first out policy and our need for experience.

I've been really worried about Hentschel for the last year. He's in no-man's land at the moment.

I have a pretty consistent record of Griffin-doubting and I thought his game was very poor, even in consideration of the opposition, however we need to go back to 2 rucks mostly so we can have Tippett in the centre square as much as possible. We didn't look much chop going inside 50 without him there.

 

[relapse]

If Griffin plays next week I will be horrified.

I think he will play, I think we will go in next week with two ruckmen.