Changes for next week

[Vader]

On current form, he should be, but we've not got a whole lot behind him at that position.

Which position would that be? He seems to be spending more time in defence than up forward, noting that he's only kicked 3 behinds in as many games. A straight swap for Jaensch would not be out of the question.

Bring him back when he's properly match fit and has rediscovered his kicking boots.

 

[WALL-e]

There's about 9 others who would be justified in SANFL time as well

 

[sydney_crow]

Suggested team for this week:

B: Johncock Rutten Schmidt

HB: McLeod Davis Goodwin

C: Mackay Dangerfield Jaensch

HF: Douglas Tippett Knights

F: Porplyzia Walker Petrenko

1st: Maric Thompson Vince

Int: Edwards Reilly Henderson Cook

Out: Burton Doughty

In: Jaensch Henderson

 

[BunjiMac]

I have a feeling the team will be unchanged this week

 

[Wood_Duck]

Whod have thought 18 months ago that losing Andy Otten would create such a problem for us. Without him we realy struggle to cover for Bocks absence.

Not having Otten and Bock has taken away all of our creativity.

 

[King Elvis]

At least having Stiffy back will give us something in that area.

 

[amer]

A fit & firing Porplyzia is one of my favourite Crows. History will say that I made the wrong call last year, though I stand by my statement that he had a very ordinary start to the season but masked it by his unerring accuracy.

Is there anyone out there who would argue that Porps should NOT be in the SANFL this week?

I know what you're saying, he wasn't finding a ton of the footy, but how is kicking a lot of goals ordinary? This game is all about kicking them. If you're kicking a lot of goals, you're contributing greatly to the cause, and he's a forward no less. 5 kicks, 5 goals from a small forward is absolute gold.

 

[Vader]

In: Jaensch Henderson

For the 3rd time in 3 days.. We can't select Henderson unless he gets upgraded from the rookie list. We don't currently have any other LTI listed players who he could replace (noting that Schmidt has replaced Martin & Jaensch has replaced Otten). We would need to LTI list another of our senior players - probably Moran, Hentschel or (maybe) Symes.

 

[Wood_Duck]

For the 3rd time in 3 days.. We can't select Henderson unless he gets upgraded from the rookie list. We don't currently have any other LTI listed players who he could replace (noting that Schmidt has replaced Martin & Jaensch has replaced Otten). We would need to LTI list another of our senior players - probably Moran, Hentschel or (maybe) Symes.

Vader, the fact is, if we wanted to pick him we could.

 

[BunjiMac]

Vader, the fact is, if we wanted to pick him we could.

As it presently stands, if we wanted to pick him we couldn't.

 

[Wood_Duck]

As it presently stands, if we wanted to pick him we couldn't.

That is semantics. We have 3 players that are candidates for the LTI.

P.S. We could also delist someone??

 

[WALL-e]

None of whom are on it as yet so technically we can't pick him.

We'll know in 3 days anyway.

 

[Vader]

That is semantics. We have 3 players that are candidates for the LTI.

P.S. We could also delist someone??

It's not semantics. It's the AFL's list management rules in action.

Firstly, you can't just delist someone arbitrarily. The Collective Bargaining Agreement lays out the process for how that has to happen. None of our players have any grounds for being delisted.

Even if a player announced his retirement today, we wouldn't necessarily be able to upgrade a rookie as replacement - unless the retirement were as a direct result of injuries preventing them from returning to the field. None of our players (other than maybe Hentschel) are in this category.

Secondly, the club really doesn't seem to know how long Hentschel, Moran & Symes will be out for.

• I've read reports on here that Symes is expected to return to footy in about a month, so that would appear to rule him out.
• Reports on Hentschel vary from 4-12 weeks. Placing him on the LTI list rules him out for a minimum of 8 - and the club would be reluctant to do so if they think he'll be able to play again in 5 or 6 (even if it's with WWT).
• That leaves Moran, whose injury remains listed as "indefinite" and we've heard nothing to indicate that a return is imminent. Realistically, he's our only viable candidate for LTI listing and I suspect the club are reluctant to write him off if they don't absolutely have to.

Right now, the club CANNOT select Henderson as there is no position available for him on our senior list.

 

[Wood_Duck]

It's not semantics. It's the AFL's list management rules in action.

Firstly, you can't just delist someone arbitrarily. The Collective Bargaining Agreement lays out the process for how that has to happen. None of our players have any grounds for being delisted.

Even if a player announced his retirement today, we wouldn't necessarily be able to upgrade a rookie as replacement - unless the retirement were as a direct result of injuries preventing them from returning to the field. None of our players (other than maybe Hentschel) are in this category.

Secondly, the club really doesn't seem to know how long Hentschel, Moran & Symes will be out for.

• I've read reports on here that Symes is expected to return to footy in about a month, so that would appear to rule him out.
• Reports on Hentschel vary from 4-12 weeks. Placing him on the LTI list rules him out for a minimum of 8 - and the club would be reluctant to do so if they think he'll be able to play again in 5 or 6 (even if it's with WWT).
• That leaves Moran, whose injury remains listed as "indefinite" and we've heard nothing to indicate that a return is imminent. Realistically, he's our only viable candidate for LTI listing and I suspect the club are reluctant to write him off if they don't absolutely have to.

Right now, the club CANNOT select Henderson as there is no position available for him on our senior list.

I hate big footy when you get pummeled with fact. Conjecture, emotion and opinion is so much more entertaining.

 

[sydney_crow]

For the 3rd time in 3 days.. We can't select Henderson unless he gets upgraded from the rookie list. We don't currently have any other LTI listed players who he could replace (noting that Schmidt has replaced Martin & Jaensch has replaced Otten). We would need to LTI list another of our senior players - probably Moran, Hentschel or (maybe) Symes.

Got me on a technicality.

In my defence your honour I did say on a separate thread that I would give Hentschel (among others) an immediate 'pink slip' which in this case would take the form of being placed on the LTI list thus enabling the Crows to pick Henderson.

So yes you're right that there are procedural issues to be followed but they are not insurmountable (not even close).

 

[Vader]

In my defence your honour I did say on a separate thread that I would give Hentschel (among others) an immediate 'pink slip' which in this case would take the form of being placed on the LTI list thus enabling the Crows to pick Henderson.

For all my posturing on this subject, I would not be the least bit surprised - nor would I be disappointed - to hear of the club putting Moran on the LTI list, replacing him with Henderson.

 

[Mismatched]

I'm of the opinion that we should be sending Porplyzia back to the SANFL, rather than Edwards or Doughty. At least Edwards & Doughty are getting their hands on the pill, right now an inanimate carbon rod would be more productive than Porps.

Edwards might have turned into a turnover merchant, but he's one of the few players we have who is currently winning the ball. With 89 disposals he's our 4th highest disposal winner and the only one of the top-4 with a decent kick-to-handball ratio (Goodwin's is a disgusting 1:2). Put bluntly, we'd lose more than we gained by dropping him. Dumping him in favour of youth needs to wait until we can no longer make the finals - for now we still need to be be trying to win every game we can.

Dropping Porplyzia would achieve the desired result, in terms of sending a message about "no more golden tickets". Unlike Edwards, the replacement player is actually likely to improve the side - given that Porplyzia is currently giving us precisely nothing. My suggestion: replace Porplyzia with Jaensch.

Agree with most of this post, but must object to comments re Edwards. Whilst I'll admit that he is no where near as dangerous and effective with the footy as he used to be. However, his disposal this year has actually been quite reliable. For someone with such a high kick to handball ratio(handballs are always more effective), a disposal efficiency of 75% is quite reasonable, and he is only credited with 4 clangers(AFC website stats, Champion Data I assume), ranking him at 16th on our list, well below the likes of Thompson(17), Cook(14) and Douglas(12), so I'm really unsure as to why he's copping so much heat regarding his disposal.

What I will say is that he is no longer as damaging with his disposal. Now given his genuine lack of accountability, I'd be all for moving him to a small forwards role, with just short stints in the midfield as a relief player. He can be quite dangerous around goals and he would probably attract a reasonable defender.

I think you're right re Porplyzia, last year he was kicking goals early which certainly saved him, but now he's not even doing that, so I think a week or two in the SANFL couldn't hurt, giving Jaensch an opportunity to show what he can contribute at AFL level.

For mine Burton needs to be moved further up the ground into a similar role that Richo played late in his career. I think Burton tends to draw the footy a little too much away from the likes of Walker and Tippett, despite not necessarily being in the best position.

So for mine, my changes would be:

In: van Berlo, Stevens(McKernan/Young if Stevo not fit), Jaensch
Out: Porplyzia, Cook, Petrenko(or perhaps Doughty, but I doubt it, pun intended)

B: Johncock - Rutten - Schmidt
HB: Goodwin - Stevens - Reilly
C: Mackay - Thompson - Burton
HF: Knights - Davis - McLeod
FF: Edwards - Tippett - Walker
1R: Maric - Vince - Dangerfield
I: van Berlo, Jaensch, Doughty, Douglas

If McKernan comes in, instead of Stevo, I'd use him as a 2nd ruck, with Davis playing at CHB and leaving Tippett at FF permanently. Otherwise, I'd be using Tippett as 2nd ruck with Davis as a full time lead up half forward, with Tippett and Walker playing deep.

On the changes, whilst I know many want to see the kids play, but now is not the time for this, its far, far too early to raise the white flag. Look at the flack the PAP's copped and they did it midseason. We need to continue to commit 100% to making the finals, if we say lose our next 2-3 matches that's different, then we need to start looking at next year. However at the moment, 11-12 wins from 18 is not impossible, I know no ones done it, but f***, records are made to be broken and I'd hate to think I supported a club that gave up as soon as soon as the going got tough, thats for Power, not the AFC.

 

[Ask Sandy]

First of all, love to Stiffy who worked hard all day.

Secondly, we need to make mimimal changes this week, crunch time has come and our season is on the line. We need confidence and experience, no matter how out of form our mature players are we need that combination to turn things around. Minimal changes, COOK OUT - JAENSCH IN. Cook had 19 touches, 3 kicks, 16 handballs and what a waste of these touches, effectiveness of 58% - piss poor! If Stevens is fit, then he must come back in and unfortuantely at the cost of Davis. Davis played ok and deserves another shot but not now. Turning things around won't happen with mass changes constantly. Injuries we can't change, confidence we can improve and laying some effective tackles and kicking long, ffs!

 

[Dujon11]

If Petrenko gets another run ill eat my membership, he is a dud. Panics, cant hold a tackle and disposal is sub par.

Jaensch is a monty to come in for him, much more polished and direct with the footy.

However I mostly agree with James_37

In: van Berlo, Stevens, Jaensch
Out: Petrenko, Cook, Reilly

 

[Vader]

To be honest, I can't believe that Petrenko has gotten off as lightly as he has in the reviews of this game. He looked like a deer in the spotlight every time he got the ball - and that wasn't terribly often. Both Pro-Stats and Champion Data had him down for just 9 disposals. No Crows player had fewer disposals. Pro-Stats gave him a fairly generous 67% efficiency, meaning that only 6 of his disposals found a target. For the life of me, I can't remember any of those 6 disposals.

Why is his name not being bandied about for dropping, when Edwards - who managed 23 (or 25 depending on your source) disposals, of which 19 were effective, supposedly has his head on the chopping block?

 

[WALL-e]

Petrenko was a tackling bag Saturday, every time he had it, he was being tackled.

 

[Vader]

Petrenko was a tackling bag Saturday, every time he had it, he was being tackled.

Indeed. Not sure what this says about him.

Some of the time it was because he was on the end of a hospital pass - not his fault. Sometimes it was because he chose to play on - only to realise that he had an opponent on his hammer and nobody to pass the ball to. That's a lack of basic awareness.

 

[cammo6556]

Indeed. Not sure what this says about him.

Some of the time it was because he was on the end of a hospital pass - not his fault. Sometimes it was because he chose to play on - only to realise that he had an opponent on his hammer and nobody to pass the ball to. That's a lack of basic awareness.

Agreed but I'm giving him marks for effort. He was no worse than Edwards in that regard. We just don't seem to have any options which obviously is crucial if we are to try to move the ball quickly. I've liked his endeavour. He'll get there. Has shown more heart and initiative than some of the more senior players

 

[marvin]

I wonder if there's an argument to be made to fast-track some of the rookies this year, even at the expense of senior list youngsters.

With the GC compromised draft coming up, and the need for regeneration over the next 2-3 years as the 30-plusses go, one way to jump ahead of pick 679 or whatever scraps we're left with after the Gold Coast go hunting would be to have rookies that are ready for upgrading. Particularly with the new rule that a rookie upgrade counts as one of the mandatory 3 list changes.

We have the likes of Talia, Shaw and Gunston under contract for 2011 anyway, so if we can get a few games under the belt of Schmidt, Jaensch and Henderson (when/if there's a spot for him), maybe 1-2 of them prove themselves AFL ready and we can get them on to the list and signed up before Gold Coast come knocking.

 

[Vader]

I wonder if there's an argument to be made to fast-track some of the rookies this year, even at the expense of senior list youngsters.

With the GC compromised draft coming up, and the need for regeneration over the next 2-3 years as the 30-plusses go, one way to jump ahead of pick 679 or whatever scraps we're left with after the Gold Coast go hunting would be to have rookies that are ready for upgrading. Particularly with the new rule that a rookie upgrade counts as one of the mandatory 3 list changes.

We have the likes of Talia, Shaw and Gunston under contract for 2011 anyway, so if we can get a few games under the belt of Schmidt, Jaensch and Henderson (when/if there's a spot for him), maybe 1-2 of them prove themselves AFL ready and we can get them on to the list and signed up before Gold Coast come knocking.

I'm sure the club will be fast tracking the development of our youngsters once the finals are officially shot. They would be remiss not to.

I'd say that all 3 will be promoted at the end of the year anyway, possibly to be joined by Luke Thompson. Wright to be retained, with Donnelly's time on our list coming to an end.

The draft is supposed to be quite a good one, even if GC get to take 1/3 of the first round selections. After that it more or less reverts to normal and the depth is supposed to be far better than last year, even with the 12x 17yo already removed. Sadly, we're looking at pick #6 as our reward for finishing 15th - even so, it will leave the new kid on the block as the highest draft selection ever taken by the Crows!