Changes for next week

[NTRabbit]

I'm of the opinion that these men have shown that they have the tools to succeed in the AFL and if their SANFL form is solid then try them in the AFL.

Really? Because I'm of the opinion that McKernan has demonstrated precisely nothing of the sort. He's looked lost every time he's played at senior level, including the MMC games, so is most definitely in need of solid and more importantly consistent form at SANFL level before getting another chance at the senior level to try and show something. So far he has had just one good game all season, that's not enough. Sellar will be back for Glenelg this week, and depending on how he goes he may be back in the Crows lineup in a week or two.

Sloane I say because he is coming back from a lengthy injury, and there is no pressing need for him to return without an injury out, so he will likely get another go around in the SANFL to make sure he is worked back up to speed.

 

[-CG-]

Really? Because I'm of the opinion that McKernan has demonstrated precisely nothing of the sort. So far he has had just one good game all season, that's not enough.

He played a good game this weekend. I thought he was excellent in the ruck and he kicked two goals at full forward

 

[Drummond]

You can tell enough off the clips as they record a majority of possessions including those off Young's clips

I am not bottling the lad ...all I am saying is that his strengths were on show but also that I couldn't see any improvement in any other areas

BTW did I read that you passed comment on a players performance based on a radio broadcast .....surely not

Your post was:

And I didn't see any improvement in his off the ball stuff

Did the AFC didn't post highlights of his game? Even if they did, you weren't at the game, so I'm really interested in knowing where this insight came from? A general overview can come from a minute highlights package, but not a real genuine observation.

Seriously WW, turn it up mate. You wouldn't have a clue how he performed on Friday night so don't act as though you do.

And my post about Griffin was in jest, I thought it was pretty obvious...

 

[Elite Crow]

If you watch the replay again....and I have a couple of times, Burton was dangerous in terms of getting possessions and where he got them.

Problem is his kicking is woeful and sub-AFL standard AP

The club will opt to view his danger in getting the ball positively and rationalize that his kicking will be back to an acceptable standard .......this is where brownie points over a career favors Burton that wouldn't be accepted of a young player

Walkers kicking has been mediocre compared to his normal excellent foot skills ......his problem has been getting enough ball

Besides Burton offers more flexibility in roles compared to Walker who even posters agree ATS that he is simply a one position player ......and if he fails there's no plan B with him as far as alternative roles

Now your clutching WW, in Burtons last 2 games his posession count has been 12 and 11 for no goals. Walkers last 2 games for the Crows were 15 & 14 for 1 goal, playing in a role that is not the position we want him to play.

As for Burton's kicking coming back to an acceptable level, when and how is that going to happen when he has lost the power in his leg?

 

[LC40]

Really? Because I'm of the opinion that McKernan has demonstrated precisely nothing of the sort. He's looked lost every time he's played at senior level, including the MMC games, so is most definitely in need of solid and more importantly consistent form at SANFL level before getting another chance at the senior level to try and show something. So far he has had just one good game all season, that's not enough. Sellar will be back for Glenelg this week, and depending how he goes he may be back in the Crows lineup in a week or two.

Sloane I say because he is coming back from a lengthy injury, and there is no pressing need for him to return without an injury out, so he will likely get another go around in the SANFL to make sure he is worked back up to speed.

Absolutely agree with your point on Sloane does need a few runs in the SANFL to find touch and get some match fitness.

Sellar maybe be back next week however because North Melbourne have three potential ruckmen we need someone this week.
McKernan and Griffen are available.
Agree McKernan hasn't torn up the league but I can't agree that he has looked lost.
The kid has shown me glimpses that he has a game that could succeed in the AFL.
We need a pinch hitter to help Maric at the moment not a dominating force that will come in straight away and tear a game apart.
I am just as happy for Griffen to come in but I like the intangibles that McKernan has more. That is he is fairly quick and mobile and does get to a contest.
Really!

 

[Drummond]

Now your clutching WW, in Burtons last 2 games his posession count has been 12 and 11 for no goals. Walkers last 2 games for the Crows were 15 & 14 for 1 goal, playing in a role that is not the position we want him to play.

As for Burton's kicking coming back to an acceptable level, when and how is that going to happen when he has lost the power in his leg?

It just wouldn't be the same if WW wasn't clutching at something.

 

[NTRabbit]

Sellar maybe be back next week however because North Melbourne have three potential ruckmen we need someone this week.

Why? They have McIntosh and Goldstein in the ruck, and Hale up forward.

Even if they rotate all three around, the ruck contest is still going to be one on one at any given time, perfectly within reason to expect Maric to shoulder the load, Tippett to relieve, and Rutten to be standing on whichever one is resting in the goal square at the time. If they decide to play two forward at once, we have Bock, Davis and Stevens who should be able to cover that between them.

We desperately need a ruckman to return to let us keep Tippett permanently forward, not because we're literally short a tall player able to play on a ruckman around the ground.

 

[fryingpan]

Did the AFC didn't post highlights of his game? Even if they did, you weren't at the game, so I'm really interested in knowing where this insight came from? A general overview can come from a minute highlights package, but not a real genuine observation.

You wouldn't have a clue how he performed on Friday night so don't act as though you do.

Do you even see the hypocrisy in this post? Here you are dismissing someone elses opinion based on the fact that they didn't attend the game yet you get embarrassingly worked up over selections & act as though you know everything despite not even attending any training sessions nor knowing what goes on behind closed doors. Can't have it both ways.

 

[LC40]

Why? They have McIntosh and Goldstein in the ruck, and Hale up forward.

Even if they rotate all three around, the ruck contest is still going to be one on one at any given time, perfectly within reason to expect Maric to shoulder the load, Tippett to relieve, and Rutten to be standing on whichever one is resting in the goal square at the time. If they decide to play two forward at once, we have Bock, Davis and Stevens who should be able to cover that between them.

We desperately need a ruckman to return to let us keep Tippett permanently forward, not because we're literally short a tall player able to play on a ruckman around the ground.

Agree completely about Tippett .My point in a previous post "Changes for next week pg5 " was to keep Tippett as a permanent forward and hardly ruck him. Actually it is nearly a repeat of this post!

Tippett needs to be our focal point! We therefore have a second ruckman to relieve Maric, I think I used the term 'pitchhitter' before.
Maric will shoulder the load and going on his last few games he will do a sterling job but most sides play a two ruckmen combination, North have the luxury of three if they wish.

I feel it does wear down a player down and although "the ruck contest is still going to be one on one at any given time" we need to give Maric a rest occasionally.
I believe most premiership sides rely on two ruckman and I like the flexibility it can bring to a team.

All those matchups you mentioned are completely valid and should pan out that way if those scenarios happen.
I differ from you in my opinion about rucks. If we add another Ruck I would like to see McKernan given a go!

 

[Huntercrow]

Drummond, BF would be very boring without you but sometimes you are an idiot!

WW would hardly have the chance to attend training that you would!
You are privileged to be living in the same state that the Crows are training in!

We do not all have that benefit.

 

[Crow-mo]

See what im getting at? Geelong are a peak aged, settled, experienced list with proven depth players. We are not.

I thought we were supposed to be able to match it with Geelong this year?

 

[Crow-mo]

But are either of those "worse" than us? That was the original claim.

what do you think?

 

[Crow-mo]

I also think this FSI stuff is crap. How can they judge that Davis is now in the top 22 at the expense of Otten? Otten was 10 times the player Davis currently is. Moran was the best back up ruckmen to Maric and Sellar wouldnt have gotten a game if Moran didnt do his knee. What next? Cook is ranked higher than MacKay in this FSI crap? Just because Cook is playing and MacKay isnt?

I can't even work out what you think you're saying.

I dont think injuries are the sole reason for our start, but a stat of losing a player for at least a week every 4 days since january is pretty bad. Playing Jaensch, Davis and Schmidt in the back 6 means 50% of our defense has less than 10 AFL games.

1. none of them have key defensive assignments
2. go check out Freo.

you are one of the worst for not looking at other clubs, when declaring our issues are so bad.

 

[Crow-mo]

FSI Seems to be the Now word of the "Me" generation

well that was a pretentious bag of nothing.

 

[ForzaBaysie]

One change if i were a crow

In: Walker
Out: Burton

Another note Bock needs to get involved in the game more and have more rebound of half back, he did that in the third quater on the weekend and looked good. Especially that johncock will be out now.

Interesting that eveyrone baggs Doughty, hes an honest player who has had a slow start to the year, lats year he played more midfield and did the tagging job really well, i dont know why he doesnt do that this year?

 

[BACCS]

I have quite reliable info saying that danger is very very low chance of playing this week - and possibly longer, and that stiffy and mcleod are both high chances of pulling up fine, just low grade AC's that needed ice and a couple of days off....may be wrong on those 2 but reasonably certain on danger.

This considered, any changes made are likely to be tactical; maybe McKernan in for either Stevens or if we're lucky Burton to go with Hale and McIntosh. I havent seen much of McKernan but surely better than griffin because he can also go forward??

I was under the impression last week that he was close to a certainty this week. Has something happened in the last few days that we don't all know about yet?

 

[Elite Crow]

Do you even see the hypocrisy in this post? Here you are dismissing someone elses opinion based on the fact that they didn't attend the game yet you get embarrassingly worked up over selections & act as though you know everything despite not even attending any training sessions nor knowing what goes on behind closed doors. Can't have it both ways.

Drummond, BF would be very boring without you but sometimes you are an idiot!

WW would hardly have the chance to attend training that you would!
You are privileged to be living in the same state that the Crows are training in!

We do not all have that benefit.

Have to defend Drummond here. Drummond does have the right to question WW's opinion. WW stated an opinion on a part of Walker's game that you cant not get from a highlights reel. That is a big difference to Drummond forming an opinion on a player he gets to see in a game and whether that players form warrants selection. Who cares if he doesnt see training, very few of us do, but does that mean we ignore what we see on game day because we didnt see how well they performed in a training drill under no game day pressure?

 

[jackster83]

Interesting that eveyrone baggs Doughty, hes an honest player who has had a slow start to the year, lats year he played more midfield and did the tagging job really well, i dont know why he doesnt do that this year?

That's a very good point you make regarding Doughty. He has played a lot deeper in defence this year - whereas he played more off a HBF last year. I think this comes down largely to games missed by Johncock, Stevens, Otten, VB, Symes and Bock as well as Goodwin playing more in the midfield.

 

[shawshankin]

I was under the impression last week that he was close to a certainty this week. Has something happened in the last few days that we don't all know about yet?

My source may be wrong or having a lend of me. But I seriously doubt either. He just made the comment that danger's hand was "somewhat f***ed" at the moment and a little worse than the club had let on.

Once again take it for what its worth...I may be wrong but i dont think we'll be seeing danger until next week or the week after

 

[Huntercrow]

well that was a pretentious bag of nothing.

Crow-mo you seem to be caught in the glare of the "FSI" headlights.

What is your obsession with these spurious statitistics? Surely they are only a curiosity conjured by idle editorial staff and nothing more.

 

[Crow-mo]

Crow-mo you seem to be caught in the glare of the "FSI" headlights.

What is your obsession with these spurious statitistics? Surely they are only a curiosity conjured by idle editorial staff and nothing more.

what is this? double or nothing day?

 

[Southerntakeover]

Drummond, BF would be very boring without you but sometimes you are an idiot!

WW would hardly have the chance to attend training that you would!
You are privileged to be living in the same state that the Crows are training in!

We do not all have that benefit.

In which case it would be spectacularly dense to make statements such as

"And I didn't see any improvement in his off the ball stuff".

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

If you watch the replay again....and I have a couple of times, Burton was dangerous in terms of getting possessions and where he got them.

Problem is his kicking is woeful and sub-AFL standard AP

The club will opt to view his danger in getting the ball positively and rationalize that his kicking will be back to an acceptable standard .......this is where brownie points over a career favors Burton that wouldn't be accepted of a young player

Walkers kicking has been mediocre compared to his normal excellent foot skills ......his problem has been getting enough ball

Besides Burton offers more flexibility in roles compared to Walker who even posters agree ATS that he is simply a one position player ......and if he fails there's no plan B with him as far as alternative roles

WW there is no point getting possession in dangerous spots like 40m out from goal if you cant reward the team effort on the scoreboard

your assumption that Birdman's kicking will return is an assumption only, IMO he has lost the power in his legs and given his age and history of injuries there is no certainty that his kicking will improve to AFL standard again. The other sign that his legs have lost is power is how easily he goes to ground, any slight body contact he goes to ground.

I also disagree that Burton offers more flexibility to the side, yes a 28yr old birdman that can play a wing or high HF role and use his tank to out work his opponent with exhausting two way running however this player is long gone. We have all watched over the past month Birdman offering offering no defensive pressure what so ever and I have gone on record in saying that the opposition runs around birdman like he is a wiches hat at training, in all honesty when is the last time he has stuck a tackle

Finally, this theory of credits in the bank can only go so far, I have no issue with a proven senior player been given a little more opportunity to turn his form around however a "gold pass" selection attitude at the selection table that grants players total team security is more harmful than good.

The club needs selection pressure, all players should feel that after 1-2 poor performance they will get another opportunity however after 3-4 poor performance well they should feel some heat

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Steady on son. I couldn't give a rats tossbag if Burton is replaced with Walker but I'm only going on who I think deserves the spot more. I saw Walker Friday night - he was shit.

you obviously know more than "Hound Dog" as Bassett named Walker in his best players

 

[jenny61_99]

well that was a pretentious bag of nothing.

Anymore pretentious than using the term "FSI" over and over again?