Prediction Changes for Rd 1

[salim malik]

Are you saying Dawson played on Cloke and Kennedy? and taking it further... Bootsma could replace Dawson?

If it wasn't Zac D it sure looked like him the last couple of seasons and no Bootsma could not replace Zac. One of the reasons WC beat us last game was we didn't have Zac or Luke to play on WC's big forwards.

 

[Parry Street]

If it wasn't Zac D it sure looked like him the last couple of seasons and no Bootsma could not replace Zac. One of the reasons WC beat us last game was we didn't have Zac or Luke to play on WC's big forwards.

"Could Bootsma take over Dawson's spot? We lose out on height but make up for that with better disposal skills.

Bootsma is 6'3 which is taller than Ibbo who something has to take the resting ruck."

Bootsma could replace Dawson or he couldn't? My argument is on your 1st logic, which was Bootsma could, then I believe from what I've seen of both Bootsma and Mayne, Mayne would do a better job. He's the same height, but plays taller, has a bigger ticker and is currently in the side and despite others on this board that reckon he needs to look elsewhere. This guy is solid and in dire need of a position change.

Do I reckon he could beat Kennedy? no. Jonno tried this year, SOS got spanked, MCP did a quality job, but Coleman medalists normally spank a few backmen throughout the season.

I guess ultimately I don't want to see Alex P down back and Mayne out.

 

[go_the_dockers]

The good news is only one playing is leaving from our team in the finals.

Mzungu, C Pearce, De Boer and Suban all played so we need to replace most of them.

Bennell is one, Weller, Blakely, Grey or Bootsma could be the others.

We need an immediate replacement e.g. Shoenmaker or Mitch Brown or McCarthy or 2 of them.

Ideally we also upgrade Mayne to somebody like Shannon Yarran.

Clarke needs to be replaced with a forward ruck, I like McBean, but Griffith would be ok as well.

 

[Scham]

Smith is a genuine KPD.

We need them and Zac's time is up.

Smith and Pearce should be first up with Silvagni and Dawson in the wings. We're not winning next year. We can build for the year after etc

Fair enough, lets see what Smith can do. I've got my doubts but he hasn't had much exposure to the top level so hopefully he gets it next year. By bet is that Dawson plays rd 1 though.

 

[sproketman]

Fair enough, lets see what Smith can do. I've got my doubts but he hasn't had much exposure to the top level so hopefully he gets it next year. By bet is that Dawson plays rd 1 though.

Yep. Everyone who played Friday night will play round 1, barring injury or retirement.

 

[Deathly]

I'm investing in a noose if Dawson is still in the Best 22 next year and plays Round 1.

 

[dockerfemme]

The big change I want to see in round 1 is change to our gameplan.

I think our scoring woes are not primarily a function of our forwards or our forwards coach, but of our gameplan. In particular, it is to do with the our transition from defence, which is almost non-existent. We tend to transition by going to a contest and playing for a clearance, which we are good at. Teams like the Hawks and Eagles have more players forward of the ball when the ball is deep in their defence and are able to transition to attack with far more potency.

We score well from clearances (the best in the comp I think) but very poorly from turnovers (one of the worst in the comp I think), which I think is because we cannot move the ball with any speed. It is good to use our strengths (clearances) but while our ball movement is so constipated I do not think we can assess our forwards or forward structure in any meaningful way.

I would also like to see Barlow (and maybe others) used in the middle with Mundy and Fyfe more on the outside as second or third receivers around the clearance to give better decision making and delivery from the clearance. It is possible we could even better value from our clearance dominance.

 

[Scham]

The big change I want to see in round 1 is change to our gameplan.

I think our scoring woes are not primarily a function of our forwards or our forwards coach, but of our gameplan. In particular, it is to do with the our transition from defence, which is almost non-existent. We tend to transition by going to a contest and playing for a clearance, which we are good at. Teams like the Hawks and Eagles have more players forward of the ball when the ball is deep in their defence and are able to transition to attack with far more potency.

We score well from clearances (the best in the comp I think) but very poorly from turnovers (one of the worst in the comp I think), which I think is because we cannot move the ball with any speed. It is good to use our strengths (clearances) but while our ball movement is so constipated I do not think we can assess our forwards or forward structure in any meaningful way.

I would also like to see Barlow (and maybe others) used in the middle with Mundy and Fyfe more on the outside as second or third receivers around the clearance to give better decision making and delivery from the clearance. It is possible we could even better value from our clearance dominance.

Totally agree with everything you've said except the bit about Fyfe playing outside. Firstly that wouldn't suit his style of play and his number 1 strength, and secondly his kicking isn't consistently good enough for the role.

I'd like us to bring in Blakely to the midfield so that Mundy can play in defence and play the Shannon Hurn type role delivering it with precision out of defence.

Whilst Ibbo has had a good season and he's played very well I still think he takes way too long to make up his mind on what he's going to do when he gets the ball. And as you've pointed out this stifles our swift movement from defence.

 

[YelloMit]

Hang on, I'm seeing the name Bootsma a lot. I thought Brad retired years ago?

 

[blue shark]

Totally agrbeginningh everything you've said except the bit about Fyfe playing outside. Firstly that wouldn't suit his style of play and his number 1 strength, and secondly his kicking isn't consistently good enough for the role.

I'd like us to bring in Blakely to the midfield so that Mundy can play in defence and play the Shannon Hurn type role delivering it with precision out of defence.

Whilst Ibbo has had a good season and he's played very well I still think he takes way too long to make up his mind on what he's going to do when he gets the ball. And as you've pointed out this stifles our swift movement from defence.

I wanted Mundy rotated from midfield to half back at the beginning of the year, and I honestly thought we had the flexibility in the list for multiple positional
movements.
Giving our coach the options of unsettling the opposition counter tactics, making us less predictable.
The sad thing is that we dont try something different, I used to give my eagle mates shit about Woosha only having a plan A, and the Hunter move.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Here is how we lined up vs the Hawks.
B Lee Spurr, Michael Johnson, Zac Dawson
HB Stephen Hill, Garrick Ibbotson, Cameron Sutcliffe
C Tendai Mzungu, Matt de Boer, Danyle Pearce
HF Chris Mayne, Matt Taberner, Michael Walters
F Hayden Ballantyne, Matthew Pavlich, Jonathon Griffin
Fol Aaron Sandilands, David Mundy, Lachie Neale
I/C Nat Fyfe, Tommy Sheridan, Michael Barlow, Nick Suban

?? have been instrted for players that should be replaced by next year.
B Lee Spurr, Michael Johnson, Zac Dawson??
HB Stephen Hill, Garrick Ibbotson, Cameron Sutcliffe
C ??, ???, Danyle Pearce
HF ??, Matt Taberner, Michael Walters
F Hayden Ballantyne, ??, ??
Fol Aaron Sandilands, David Mundy, Lachie Neale
I/C Nat Fyfe, Tommy Sheridan, Michael Barlow, ??


I have 6 player I don't think should be in our side and question marks on Dawson.

Possibly line up come round 1, I have added Bennell, Bootsma\Adams, Weller, Crozier and Alex Pearce. This leaves us needing two KPF's, with one being able to ruck.

Possible round 1 team
B Lee Spurr, Michael Johnson, Garrick Ibbotson
HB Bootsma\Adams, Alex Pearce , Cameron Sutcliffe
C Stephen Hill, Bennell, Danyle Pearce
HF ??, Matt Taberner, Michael Walters
F Hayden Ballantyne, ??, Crozier
Fol Aaron Sandilands, David Mundy, Lachie Neale
I/C Nat Fyfe, Tommy Sheridan, Michael Barlow, Weller

 

[meima]

Here is how we lined up vs the Hawks.
B Lee Spurr, Michael Johnson, Zac Dawson
HB Stephen Hill, Garrick Ibbotson, Cameron Sutcliffe
C Tendai Mzungu, Matt de Boer, Danyle Pearce
HF Chris Mayne, Matt Taberner, Michael Walters
F Hayden Ballantyne, Matthew Pavlich, Jonathon Griffin
Fol Aaron Sandilands, David Mundy, Lachie Neale
I/C Nat Fyfe, Tommy Sheridan, Michael Barlow, Nick Suban

?? have been instrted for players that should be replaced by next year.
B Lee Spurr, Michael Johnson, Zac Dawson??
HB Stephen Hill, Garrick Ibbotson, Cameron Sutcliffe
C ??, ???, Danyle Pearce
HF ??, Matt Taberner, Michael Walters
F Hayden Ballantyne, ??, ??
Fol Aaron Sandilands, David Mundy, Lachie Neale
I/C Nat Fyfe, Tommy Sheridan, Michael Barlow, ??


I have 6 player I don't think should be in our side and question marks on Dawson.

Possibly line up come round 1, I have added Bennell, Bootsma\Adams, Weller, Crozier and Alex Pearce. This leaves us needing two KPF's, with one being able to ruck.

Possible round 1 team
B Lee Spurr, Michael Johnson, Garrick Ibbotson
HB Bootsma\Adams, Alex Pearce , Cameron Sutcliffe
C Stephen Hill, Bennell, Danyle Pearce
HF ??, Matt Taberner, Michael Walters
F Hayden Ballantyne, ??, Crozier
Fol Aaron Sandilands, David Mundy, Lachie Neale
I/C Nat Fyfe, Tommy Sheridan, Michael Barlow, Weller

Given D.Pearce age and kicking under pressure would like to see him only play team like gws, gold coast and brisbane or somebody who can Shepherd for him so he is not under pressure against good team.

 

[Quokka]

Not an overly serious 22 but in the spirit of the off season


Spurr A.Pearce Bootsma
Hill Johnson Ibbotson
D.Pearce Mundy Barlow
Neale Sandilands Fyfe
Weller McCarthy Walters
Ballantyne Pavlich Taberner

I/C: Sutcliffe Griffin Sheridan

Pushing for a spot: Clarke, Apeness, Mayne, Blakey, De Boer, Crozier, Grey, Smith...

 

[aussieviking]

My interesting thought for the day is that Crozier would be a better half back than Tommy or Sutcliffe. I don't think Crozier has quite enough ability to be a midfielder but I can see coming off half back with his excellent disposal and he has good arial ability.It would allow Sheridan to play as an extra mid.I believe Sheridan is on the cusp of becoming an upgrade on Deboer MZ Clancy and Suban as a mid rotation player.

 

[Unique Name]

My interesting thought for the day is that Crozier would be a better half back than Tommy or Sutcliffe. I don't think Crozier has quite enough ability to be a midfielder but I can see coming off half back with his excellent disposal and he has good arial ability.It would allow Sheridan to play as an extra mid.I believe Sheridan is on the cusp of becoming an upgrade on Deboer MZ Clancy and Suban as a mid rotation player.

Sherro is already ahead of our fringy's (Mz, De Boer, Clancee, Subes) i agree with you, I think he would be able to slot into D Pearce's spot on the wing. He is a natural outside midfielder and would excel on the opposite wing to Hill.

Would hate for us to kill whatever flair Crozier has left by playing him as a defender. Look at his draft highlights.

 

[DeanS]

Interesting that post-Brownlow Fyfey specifically thanked Mzungu, DeBoer and Suban for doing the grunt work (and I'm paraphrasing there) which allows him to chase the ball and get all the pats on the back. And yet everyone on here is wanting those three gone.

 

[Deathly]

Interesting that post-Brownlow Fyfey specifically thanked Mzungu, DeBoer and Suban for doing the grunt work (and I'm paraphrasing there) which allows him to chase the ball and get all the pats on the back. And yet everyone on here is wanting those three gone.

They might of all requested trades
But nah, I really liked him acknowledging them.

 

[malpaso]

Sherro is already ahead of our fringy's (Mz, De Boer, Clancee, Subes) i agree with you, I think he would be able to slot into D Pearce's spot on the wing. He is a natural outside midfielder and would excel on the opposite wing to Hill.

Would hate for us to kill whatever flair Crozier has left by playing him as a defender. Look at his draft highlights.

Sherro's kicking is not great IMO. He is either affected by nerves or it's just not good. I'd rather see Crozier playing on the wings, can take marks, has speed and a touch of magic about him.

 

[Agenfrida]

The big change I want to see in round 1 is change to our gameplan.

I think our scoring woes are not primarily a function of our forwards or our forwards coach, but of our gameplan. In particular, it is to do with the our transition from defence, which is almost non-existent. We tend to transition by going to a contest and playing for a clearance, which we are good at. Teams like the Hawks and Eagles have more players forward of the ball when the ball is deep in their defence and are able to transition to attack with far more potency.

We score well from clearances (the best in the comp I think) but very poorly from turnovers (one of the worst in the comp I think), which I think is because we cannot move the ball with any speed. It is good to use our strengths (clearances) but while our ball movement is so constipated I do not think we can assess our forwards or forward structure in any meaningful way.

I would also like to see Barlow (and maybe others) used in the middle with Mundy and Fyfe more on the outside as second or third receivers around the clearance to give better decision making and delivery from the clearance. It is possible we could even better value from our clearance dominance.

Agree on Mundy being played on the outside. I thought Walters would be better on a wing with D.Pearce crumbing in the fwd line could be an improvement. If we land Bennell, Mundy to half back, Hill and Bennell on each wing. Walters stays in the forward line and DP wins a Peel B and F. Barlow should play inside mid with Neale and Fyfe. Using him at HF is just, well, silly IMO.

 

[Quokka]

Interesting that post-Brownlow Fyfey specifically thanked Mzungu, DeBoer and Suban for doing the grunt work (and I'm paraphrasing there) which allows him to chase the ball and get all the pats on the back. And yet everyone on here is wanting those three gone.

And yet Mzungu spent half the year in the WAFL, De Boer played 4 wafl games and still tied with Taberner for the most sub vests with 7 green and 1 red (Taberner had 8 red), with Suban next in line with 4 green and 2 red.

Pretty sure Fyfe specifically used the term roles and no doubt these guys are being given roles that affect the way their games play out and how much of the ball they get themselves but at the same time I don't think its too much of a stretch to still have them in the lower part of our best 22.

 

[MadDocker]

Spur Dawson Grey
Ibbo Johnson Sheridan
Hill Mundy Langdon
Neale Sandi Blakley
Crozier Fyfe Walters
Ballas Tabs Mayne

Sutcliffe Griffin Weller Pearce

Without taking into account possible inclusions through trading (Bennell hopefully, maybe McCarthy).

Edit: Just realised I left out Barlow. That sucks.

 

[Miltz]

NAB CUP round 1 team

Grey Smith APearce
Sherro Clarke Sutty
Weller Blakley Langdon
Croz tabs Bennell
Apeness McCarthy Hughes
Moller Neale (c) Ballard
Silvagni ???

Want to see Clarke trialled at CHB. Have Luke mentor him.
Have faith in us landing Bennell and McCarthy

Round 1 if everyone was playing to their potential

Spurr Dawson Johno
Ibbo Clarke sherro
Hill Barlow Weller
Walters Fyfe Bennell
Ballas Pav McCarthy
Sandi Mundy Neale
Griffin Blakely Croz Mayne

 

[meima]

NAB CUP round 1 team

Grey Smith APearce
Sherro Clarke Sutty
Weller Blakley Langdon
Croz tabs Bennell
Apeness McCarthy Hughes
Moller Neale (c) Ballard
Silvagni ???

Want to see Clarke trialled at CHB. Have Luke mentor him.
Have faith in us landing Bennell and McCarthy

Round 1 if everyone was playing to their potential

Spurr Dawson Johno
Ibbo Clarke sherro
Hill Barlow Weller
Walters Fyfe Bennell
Ballas Pav McCarthy
Sandi Mundy Neale
Griffin Blakely Croz Mayne

Set that is the line up, if can't get sunshine and pav retire or semi retire tab and a Pearce need game time.

 

[apuchar]

DeBoer has always had extremely good hands. He's also a very very hard runner with a massive tank and is tough as nails. His issue is his kicking which is just average at best.

Interesting times for him and Mzungu too. Players that were on the edge and I would have said 6 months ago will likely be moved on, but they've both finished the season quite strongly. MDB especially, he had a pretty good finals campaign all considered.

Wouldn't be surprised MDB is offered another year, but he took a significant pay cut last year to stay on our list. I wonder if he'll do it again or try to get to a club that might offer him a couple of years.

he signed weeks ago for next year

 

[apuchar]

salim malik

Could Bootsma take over Dawson's spot? We lose out on height but make up for that with better disposal skills.

Bootsma is 6'3 which is taller than Ibbo who something has to take the resting ruck.

It's not his height, it's his weight. He is 77 kg. He cannot play Dawsons role against most of the big forwards. In time Tanner may be able too though. Depends on whether he continues his improvement or whether he plateau's. We will get some idea soon, if we keep him.