Changes for RD 2

[hellfire]

Yeah always try and hold your tongue around kids, but sometimes emotion takes over and expletives come out

"WHAT!!!!!!!!!!, **** off you green maggot, that was a fair maggot"

as a dale mark gets refused

I'm usually good with the swearing (I have the odd one or two a match if I'm being honest), but yesterday I was just terrible. Partially because I was sitting at the front of level 4 (where everyone in the southern was avoiding because of the sun), which meant it was pretty empty and there were no kids around me, but mostly because it was just INFURIATING. I couldn't control myself after about 6 or 7 decisions (plus more for LACK of decisions), and tens of times for stupid errors and decision-making on the behalf of the team.

 

[Quicky]

Playing youth won't hurt us, particularly kids like Beams and Steele who seem more ready than someone like Reid. Look at how well guys like Rich, Robinson and Hurley have gone, I'm confident that our dynamic duo can have impacts like these guys. They'll at least bring some enthusiasm, and they'll know they're playing for a spot, unlike Johnson who is playing like he has his sewn up.

Against Melbourne we don't need to be too tall in the back half, so I would either rest Presti, or play Brown forward if Rocca doesn't play. I also think that against the young side the Demons have, it might be a good opportunity to give Steele a run (smaller frame). So I would line up something like this:

B: Shannon Cox, Nathan Brown, Harry O’Brien
HB: Martin Clarke, Nick Maxwell, Heath Shaw
C: Dayne Beams, Scott Pendlebury, Steele Sidebottom
HF: Alan Didak, Travis Cloke, Leon Davis
F: John Anthony, Anthony Rocca, Paul Medhurst
Foll: Josh Fraser, Dale Thomas, Dane Swan
Int: Tarkyn Lockyer, Danny Stanley, Chris Bryan, Shane O’Bree

OUT: Johnson, Goldsack, Toovey, Reid, Presti (rested)
IN: Beams, H.Shaw, Sidebottom, Rocca, Stanley

That's a lot of changes, but everyone is justified IMO. Johnson, Goldsack, Reid and Toovey were awful. I can't see matchups for Goldsack unless one of Cox, Maxwell or Harry goes down / loses form. Same goes for Toovey, or until he learns to kick. Reid isn't ready for the speed of AFL footy with his lack of intensity. Presti rested for team balance against the small forward line of the Dees.

I'd line-up with our star-studded forward line. Didak and Davis both playing as small forwards, and not going past half-way. We need them around goals, and more importantly, we need crumbers around Rocca / Anthony / Cloke, because we simply let Adelaide run the ball out too easily.

Beams and Stanley, and even Steele, will add some poise around the clearances. These guys have looked the goods around stoppages in the VFL (for Stanley) and at training etc. for the noobs.

I'd also like to see us lining up with at least two of Pendlebury, Swan, Thomas and OBree in the midfield at all times.

IF Rocca isn't right to go, I'd line-up like this:

B: Shannon Cox, Simon Prestigiacomo, Harry O’Brien
HB: Martin Clarke, Nick Maxwell, Heath Shaw
C: Dayne Beams, Scott Pendlebury, Steele Sidebottom
HF: Alan Didak, Travis Cloke, Leon Davis
F: John Anthony, Nathan Brown, Paul Medhurst
Foll: Josh Fraser, Dale Thomas, Dane Swan
Int: Tarkyn Lockyer, Danny Stanley, Chris Bryan, Shane O’Bree

OUT: Johnson, Goldsack, Toovey, Reid,
IN: Beams, H.Shaw, Sidebottom, Stanley

[Brown to FF.]

Great post!! I think it would be a perfect opportunity to play Beams and Sidebottom and also shake the team up a bit. Just send a message that mediocre performances will not be accepted and that places in the team need to be earnt. Could be a nice easy game for Rocca to return in but i'm not sure its necesarry for what is going to be a long season for Rocca where we'll want him to be right at the business end of the season. The idea of playing Brown at FF is a very good idea if Rocca doesn't play as there just isn't two match ups for both Presti and Brown. It's well overdue that Stanley got another run as well and I just hope his inclusion as an emergency and the fact he didn't play against Scotch is a good sign for him.

 

[Pie Legend]

In: Caff (if he is right), Beams, Shaw
Out: Johnson, Toovey, Goldsack

 

[Spagger83]

out: johnson, toovey, reid, pretigiacomo (rested), goldsack
in: mccarthy, sidebottom, beams, rocca, shaw

team will look like:

o'brien n.brown cox
shaw maxwell clarke
lockyer swan mccarthy
thomas cloke didak
medhurst rocca anthony
fraser pendlebury davis

sidebottom, beams, bryan, o'bree

eme: dawes, stanley, dick

 

[Trojan82]

I don't think there will be massive changes. Those predicting 5 Changes to the line-up... its a tad overboard.

Johnson obviously out. It'll be an uproar if he plays. Beams in for him, this will be the only non-injury related change. Rocca in....unfortunately this means Reid probably misses out although we need to get games into him. After Saturday's performance I think its clear our "window" isn't open yet so we need to get some serious games into the kids....but having said that Rocca comes first. I wonder how our forward line will go with him in it. Has been a while....

Bryan will get another crack. By all reports Wood was just OK in the 2's against no-one and our clearances for the first time in a long time were up on our opposition.

Those who think O'Bree should be dropped are mad. Those who think Cox should be dropped are mad. Toovey and Goldsack need a boost mentally and hopefully that can happen against Melbourne. Presti will play, you don't "rest" players in round 2. He isn't that out of shape.

 

[iGNITER]

Ins: Rocca, Shaw, Beams, L.Brown, Wood
Outs: Bryan, Goldsack, Toovey, Reid, Johnson

B: O'Brien Presti Maxwell
HB: Shaw Brown Cox
C: Clarke Swan Thomas
HF: Didak Cloke Davis
F: Medhurst Rocca Anthony
R: Fraser Pendlebury O'Bree
INT: Beams L.Brown Wood
Lockyer

 

[Spagger83]

I don't think there will be massive changes. Those predicting 5 Changes to the line-up... its a tad overboard.

Johnson obviously out. It'll be an uproar if he plays. Beams in for him, this will be the only non-injury related change. Rocca in....unfortunately this means Reid probably misses out although we need to get games into him. After Saturday's performance I think its clear our "window" isn't open yet so we need to get some serious games into the kids....but having said that Rocca comes first. I wonder how our forward line will go with him in it. Has been a while....

Bryan will get another crack. By all reports Wood was just OK in the 2's against no-one and our clearances for the first time in a long time were up on our opposition.

Those who think O'Bree should be dropped are mad. Those who think Cox should be dropped are mad. Toovey and Goldsack need a boost mentally and hopefully that can happen against Melbourne. Presti will play, you don't "rest" players in round 2. He isn't that out of shape.

look at melbourne's team from the weekend and tell us all who he (presti)goes to then, then after you do that find an opponent for o'brien, cox and n brown too....??
why play a bloke for the sake of giving him a game? if we dont have a player that Presti would match up on there is no point playing him, therefore he's rested not dropped for form reasons.
save him for round 3 when we will have mooney, lonergan and gamble/hawkins again to deal with!

 

[Sloth]

Actually she was Hot but she was there with her Boyfriend

and kids, presumably.

 

[wixism]

Shaw IN
Toovey OUT
why ?? we all know why

Beams IN
Johnson OUT
why ?? we were missing his toughness in the middle and has a great kick and good under pressure and kick a goal or 2
Johnson looked injury prone his kicking is shit when under pressure looks like he hasn't got it anymore give him some time to find form in the VFL

Rocca IN
Reid OUT
why ??
Rocca will give us a option to kick it too great mark and kick goals
Reid give him time to find form as well and find a position in the team because he looks lost

more to come

 

[PIES_09]

I think.

OUT: Toovey, Bryan, prestigiacomo, Johnson

IN: Leeroy Brown, Wood, Rocca and beams/wellingham.


With the way Anthony is going, i cant see Rusling coming back in.

 

[hellfire]

I don't think there will be massive changes. Those predicting 5 Changes to the line-up... its a tad overboard.

Johnson obviously out. It'll be an uproar if he plays. Beams in for him, this will be the only non-injury related change. Rocca in....unfortunately this means Reid probably misses out although we need to get games into him. After Saturday's performance I think its clear our "window" isn't open yet so we need to get some serious games into the kids....but having said that Rocca comes first. I wonder how our forward line will go with him in it. Has been a while....

Bryan will get another crack. By all reports Wood was just OK in the 2's against no-one and our clearances for the first time in a long time were up on our opposition.

Those who think O'Bree should be dropped are mad. Those who think Cox should be dropped are mad. Toovey and Goldsack need a boost mentally and hopefully that can happen against Melbourne. Presti will play, you don't "rest" players in round 2. He isn't that out of shape.

You do "rest" players when there is no matchup for them. He is an aging full-back who has had trouble with his body, and is one-dimensional - as he can only play as a stopper against full-forwards - and Melbourne have none. We already have Brown, Maxwell and O'Brien who can play tall, so we should take the chance to rest him as often as we can to keep him fresh for finals (against guys like Fevola, Roughead/Franklin etc.), which will avoid him breaking down and having Leigh Brown play on Franklin .

But I agree on Obree and Cox, no way should they be dropped.

 

[hellfire]

I think.

OUT: Toovey, Bryan, prestigiacomo, Johnson

IN: Leeroy Brown, Wood, Rocca and beams/wellingham.


With the way Anthony is going, i cant see Rusling coming back in.

I tell you what though... the way we vacated our forward 50 on Saturday, I was salivating at the thought of having Rusling in the goal-square with the entire 50 to himself. He would burn ANYBODY on the lead, and they would be forced to drop a man in front of him. If we persist with this stupid empty forward-line tactic, Rusling will be made for it.

 

[buzzbuzz]

True, but if JA had received good delivery into space for him to lead up to, he could have beaten an opponent or two, too. It wasn't Anthony's fault we lost. He has good speed, good strength and the best kick in the league. His strength and positioning will only improve with experience, too.

 

[hellfire]

True, but if JA had received good delivery into space for him to lead up to, he could have beaten an opponent or two, too. It wasn't Anthony's fault we lost. He has good speed, good strength and the best kick in the league. His strength and positioning will only improve with experience, too.

Nah I know, I'm not saying it was. JA was very good. I was just pointing out that Rusling could still find a spot in the side if we persist with this game-plan, even with JA in. With Rocca coming back though, it's tough to say.

 

[buzzbuzz]

Well, in time Anthony could bulk up enough to have real power, Rocca will slide out of the side at year's end and if Rus manages to stay fit, well, one out one in really.

But then... Rus stay fit? If you were a betting man, you'd steer well clear of that one. We will have to replace Rocca though, and I'm not liking Reid at this point. Although, he is young.

 

[Golden Boots]

Toovey Out
Beams In

Or Shaw if fit.

Unless im watching a different game i dont know how toovey keeps getting a game, poor skills, its like watching under 12's he chase the ball round in circles and he gets in the way. At least beams looks like he knows where to go and what to do.

 

[mdc]

Well, in time Anthony could bulk up enough to have real power

Don't think JA has the height to ever be a real "power" player, but he could certainly get to the level of a Bradshaw eventually, with some work.

 

[mattys123]

Don't think JA has the height to ever be a real "power" player, but he could certainly get to the level of a Bradshaw eventually, with some work.

Yeah, I agree, he will never be an absolute gun, but if turns out as good as Bradshaw we'd all be happy. Bradshaw kicked 60+ goals last year.

 

[Barnzy]

Beams played really well in the NAB Cup games, was suprised he didn't get a run. He has alot of composure like Cotchin and I like watching him play. I see Sidebottom as more of an accumulator and Beams will hurt oppositions more. Just my views, could be wrong. Surely Mick will play Beams this week?

 

[buzzbuzz]

Yeah, I agree, he will never be an absolute gun, but if turns out as good as Bradshaw we'd all be happy. Bradshaw kicked 60+ goals last year.

Apparently Jack is only 4cm shorter than Cloke, at 192 and 196 respectively. Does that actually make the difference? I mean, 4cm doesn't seem like a lot to me. But then yeah I'd seriously like to know, is that really the difference between great power forward and good second string forward?

Apparently Bradshaw is 191 and Brown is 195 so maybe you're onto something

 

[Barnzy]

Apparently Jack is only 4cm shorter than Cloke, at 192 and 196 respectively. Does that actually make the difference? I mean, 4cm doesn't seem like a lot to me. But then yeah I'd seriously like to know, is that really the difference between great power forward and good second string forward?

Apparently Bradshaw is 191 and Brown is 195 so maybe you're onto something

Pavlich 191cm, Fev 191cm, Riewoldt 193cm, Roughead 193cm. Anyone over 190cm has the potential to be a good power foward, they just need bulk. J.Anthony doesn't look too bulky but he's quick and takes alot of contested marks. Saw video of Rocca in the VFL vs Old Scotch and he looks even bigger than normal?

 

[The Average Tourist]

Firstly number 17 had at least 6 goal assists so we need him out of the game.

We need Shaw, Beams, in and maybe Rocca & Wood

Whilst Toovey is better than he has been we cannot have N Brown, Presti and Toovey in the back line as whilst they can play negative football they will never be manned up especially on kick outs. So there is too much pressure on Tarks, Marty, Harry, Pendles, Swanny and Daisy.

We need Did's and Leon to produce somethin

I have always been a Ben Johnson fan but not at the expense of Beams, Toovey must make way for Shaw and if Rooca is fit then Reid has to go. The Wood / Bryan thing will happen all year.

All the calls for Stanley didnt he arrange for Robertsion to kick 6 a couple of years ago

 

[pipeline]

Firstly number 17 had at least 6 goal assists so we need him out of the game.

We need Shaw, Beams, in and maybe Rocca & Wood

Whilst Toovey is better than he has been we cannot have N Brown, Presti and Toovey in the back line as whilst they can play negative football they will never be manned up especially on kick outs. So there is too much pressure on Tarks, Marty, Harry, Pendles, Swanny and Daisy.

We need Did's and Leon to produce somethin

I have always been a Ben Johnson fan but not at the expense of Beams, Toovey must make way for Shaw and if Rooca is fit then Reid has to go. The Wood / Bryan thing will happen all year.

All the calls for Stanley didnt he arrange for Robertsion to kick 6 a couple of years ago

Very insightful post. And no, he didn't.

 

[PIES_09]

I tell you what though... the way we vacated our forward 50 on Saturday, I was salivating at the thought of having Rusling in the goal-square with the entire 50 to himself. He would burn ANYBODY on the lead, and they would be forced to drop a man in front of him. If we persist with this stupid empty forward-line tactic, Rusling will be made for it.

Ye mate agree,
If we can have the two there it would be good but then it forces someone else out. Anthony was a Full Back in his younger days, so he could be the next james clement which would be very nice.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I'm reading this thread purely for DT purposes, but there's something I've gotta ask.

Why is Toovey played up the ground? He was a fullback for WA in both years of U18's. He played at fullback in the WAFL GF the year he was drafted and looked really good. He was never moved off the last line. I know he's a bit undersized, but he could surely still fit into the defensive unit.

Has he been unsuccessful in the VFL in this position, is there no room for him, is he showing better form as a tagger or spare parts man?