Changes for Round 10

[RhEF JC]

Tony Notte was drafted as a project player. I haven't given up on him yet. He may come good in time as he puts more muscle.

Brandon Hill was a top 10 pick (I can't remember the exact number), while Notte was pick 26, IIRC.

pick 20 I think.
By the by, anyone that's been disappointed by Notte's output had unrealistic expectations when he was drafted.

 

[drexel]

I'd like to see Hansen come in and play the lead-up role and keep Kennedy closer to Goal. Mainly because Lynch,Mckinley have no idea up the ground and rarely hit the packs up forward.

Not only that but he adds some actual leadership out there.

 

[bunsen burner]

pick 20 I think.
By the by, anyone that's been disappointed by Notte's output had unrealistic expectations when he was drafted.

Can we delist him and fill him up to the brim with steroids and then redraft him? I guess that would be a risk - someone else might draft him. Can we hide him in a cupboard with a barrel off creatin and whey, some roids, and some dumbells?

 

[Cuzz09]

With respect you say this every week. Including when we are good.

No I dont, I tipped us Vs Melbourne and Collingwood and I think most people would agree that Carlton should handle us comfortably at the Dome Friday night and a 5-6 goal loss would be not too bad.

 

[Wet Toast Rule]

I think we will give Carlton a shake TBH.

We just need to stop Eddie Betts and Fevola.

We need players like McNamara and Stenglein otherwise their midfield will tear us a new one.

OUT: Rosa, Ebert, Seaby, Brown

IN: McNamara, Stenglein, Houlihan, Lecras

Being objective, our midfield was too soft against the Pies and we'll be too tall against Carlton with no Waite. Not enough tackles, and possibly lacking in speed. Rosa needs to be given a message. Also, although im not a fan of dropping somebody after one game, Ebert is still finding his feet after no pre-season and he hasnt really set the WAFL on fire. Needs a bit longer.

 

[Biggie]

We just need to stop Eddie Betts and Fevola.

Judd and Marc Murphy say hi.

 

[Eagle Ant]

While one hardly expects reasoned and sensible analysis from EA, perhaps this needs to be addressed.

actually E87 i was Sober when I wrote this and was Sober when I watched the game (on Tape after i knew we lost), so what you got was a sensible recap of that dispicable game that some called a footy match last night.

In last nights game, Nicoski had 6 kicks and 12 handballs. Thats 18 possessions. He had 89% disposal efficiency. That means that 2 of his 18 possessions didnt hit an Eagles teamate. 2. Thats the number between 1 and 3. 2. Two. By the way, he was second in dispoal efficiency behind E-Mac (93%).

Yeh yeh yeh he had 89% efficiency and 100% hospital handballs and suicide kicks.
He is too scared to take a hit and he puts players under pressure, that is terrible from a defender.

So, EA, either your eyes deceive you, or once again you have allowed mindless prejudice (against certain players) to affect your capacity for reason.

No my eyes dont decieve me, I actually think YOUR EYES have decieved you, as you believe that Priddis or Nicoski could be blamed for the loss last night rather then a poor team effort. Nearly every player last night bar maybe 6 should hang their heads in shame but Nicoski as this is the topic of conversation has had a few bad weeks as have others like B.Jones, D.Cox, M.Rosa but they at least bring something of value to the game where as Nicoski doesn't and there for should be replaced by a younger player that has the capasity to learn from those sort of games.

Nicoski was FAR from our worst last night. And yet, amazingly, when our midfield disposal was at the heart of our problems last night, Priddis escapes your attention. He turned the ball over 9 times last night - you miss that?

Some people on here need to actually step back, open both eyes and actually watch what happens in games rather than decide things on whether they think someone is a good bloke, or has nice hair or whatever it is that drives the rationally stunted.

Priddis is NOT a AFL superstar midfielder.
Priddis has shit disposal.
Priddis is the best Tackler in out team and applys pressure to the ball carrier as well as going in and feeding it out to our midfielders.
Priddis is only in the middle at the moment because we dont have Bruan, R.Jones that were in their before doing the same job.
Priddis is 24 and in his 3rd year.
Nicoski is 26 and in his 5th year.
I expect more from a older wiser player like Nicoski then from a younger player like Priddis, Masten, Ebert, Scooter, Swift, Shuey etc etc.

Once players like Shuey, Masten, Swift, McNamara, Cockie and Ebert get 25 to 30 games under their belts they will push players like Priddis, Rosa, Embley, Stenglein out of the side but at the moment we are holding players out and letting players like Nicoski and Brett Jones play when guys like Schofield and Spangher have earned there places and are not getting a fair crack.
Thats why I am harder on Nicoski ATM and not on Priddis YET.

 

[Eagle Ant]

Judd and Marc Murphy say hi.

They said hi to Adelaide as well... And look what happend to them.

Carlton arn't that good, and ATM we are up and down with form.
We can beat them at Etihad if we play well and attack the ball, like we did against the swans, however if we play like we did against the Pies we will get smashed.

 

[lewigie]

They are probably slightly better than us TBH.

Murphy, Gibbs, Fev play the good damaging game once every 4 rounds.

So overrated its not funny.

 

[Wet Toast Rule]

Dont worry - we'll play them into form

 

[Biggie]

Dont worry - we'll play them into form

I agree.

Go team.

 

[rofltown]

as long as you guys turn up with maybe 10 or 11 players you guys should be fine...

 

[swannies]

Davis, I remain unconvinced, - we need pace and he is 100% committed to everything he does BUT he sprays the ball worse than Nico and Fletch and he makes poor decisions. He does that at WAFL level as well. I like his speed and competitiveness but, not sure...

... and apologies for my grumpiness this morning!

You must watch a different Swan Districts to me then? Certainly this year I would say there has been a dramatic improvement in his kicking and I am noticing a different 'hold/grip' on the ball, or a grip that is designed for accuracy rather than bombing long.

 

[Eagle87]

You must watch a different Swan Districts to me then? Certainly this year I would say there has been a dramatic improvement in his kicking and I am noticing a different 'hold/grip' on the ball, or a grip that is designed for accuracy rather than bombing long.

This year, I have seen him twice in WAFL and twice at AFL level. With respect, at AFL level there was no discernible difference between his disposal and his decision making than last year.

In the WAFL games i saw he was fine but it was WAFL. Priddis is a gun at that level. You get much more time and bad disposal/decision making is less critical than at AFL level - the use of zones for example and the consequent numbers disadvantage (and the requirement for smart thinking and sharp disposal to get through that) is much less at WAFL level. That said, when he was pressured and hurried he made bad decisions and turned the ball over. He certainly is trying much harder to improve in this area - as is evidenced by how hard he is on himself when he makes a mistake - but we need quality disposal players and I was simply suggesting that Davis isnt going to improve us in that area at this stage.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

The proof is in the pudding, we need offensive weapons and defensive pressure. Rosa, Nicoski and Seaby realistically are the first on the chopping block. Schofield, Houlihan and Swift are next in line.
Eagle Ant is speaking sense, current midfield is c class and we are waiting for our young players to come to the fore.

 

[swannies]

This year, I have seen him twice in WAFL and twice at AFL level. With respect, at AFL level there was no discernible difference between his disposal and his decision making than last year.

In the WAFL games i saw he was fine but it was WAFL. Priddis is a gun at that level. You get much more time and bad disposal/decision making is less critical than at AFL level - the use of zones for example and the consequent numbers disadvantage (and the requirement for smart thinking and sharp disposal to get through that) is much less at WAFL level. That said, when he was pressured and hurried he made bad decisions and turned the ball over. He certainly is trying much harder to improve in this area - as is evidenced by how hard he is on himself when he makes a mistake - but we need quality disposal players and I was simply suggesting that Davis isnt going to improve us in that area at this stage.

I wasn't arguing he was a gun, just at your assertion that he sprays it at WAFL level, purely pedantics on my part, and I'm not grumpy today, just a fuddy duddy. I'm with you though, I remain unconvinced at AFL level.

 

[Eagle87]

actually E87 i was Sober when I wrote this and was Sober when I watched the game (on Tape after i knew we lost), so what you got was a sensible recap of that dispicable game that some called a footy match last night.


Yeh yeh yeh he had 89% efficiency and 100% hospital handballs and suicide kicks.
He is too scared to take a hit and he puts players under pressure, that is terrible from a defender.

No my eyes dont decieve me, I actually think YOUR EYES have decieved you, as you believe that Priddis or Nicoski could be blamed for the loss last night rather then a poor team effort. Nearly every player last night bar maybe 6 should hang their heads in shame but Nicoski as this is the topic of conversation has had a few bad weeks as have others like B.Jones, D.Cox, M.Rosa but they at least bring something of value to the game where as Nicoski doesn't and there for should be replaced by a younger player that has the capasity to learn from those sort of games.

Priddis is NOT a AFL superstar midfielder.
Priddis has shit disposal.
Priddis is the best Tackler in out team and applys pressure to the ball carrier as well as going in and feeding it out to our midfielders.
Priddis is only in the middle at the moment because we dont have Bruan, R.Jones that were in their before doing the same job.
Priddis is 24 and in his 3rd year.
Nicoski is 26 and in his 5th year.
I expect more from a older wiser player like Nicoski then from a younger player like Priddis, Masten, Ebert, Scooter, Swift, Shuey etc etc.

Once players like Shuey, Masten, Swift, McNamara, Cockie and Ebert get 25 to 30 games under their belts they will push players like Priddis, Rosa, Embley, Stenglein out of the side but at the moment we are holding players out and letting players like Nicoski and Brett Jones play when guys like Schofield and Spangher have earned there places and are not getting a fair crack.
Thats why I am harder on Nicoski ATM and not on Priddis YET.

You are like a machine gun. Fire a million shots and you should hit one or two bullseyes but you lack any real understanding of what happens in a game. You always have. You also play favourites something shocking.

It was you who chose to highlight 7 or 8 players and it was you who said "WOW what can I say about a player who basically kicked the ball to the opposition every time he kicked it"... you were wrong, so now you change tack and go with the lame (and wrong) hospital handball and some sort of reference to him being soft... you were wrong, deal with it - you should be used to it.

My Priddis reference was not to blame him, solely, for our loss but to further point out your playing of favourites. You named 10 guys specifically for being shit and you missed Priddis who was almost the worst offender in our side for hitting the opposition with his disposals - he was dreadful but hey, he isnt in the EA group of those who should be hung every time we lose so ....

You want me to quote your comment about Woosha being hung for "dropping" Lecca? You watched the game. Sober. And you missed the references by one and all to him being unfit to play??


I am certainly not trying a comparison between Nico and Priddis, why you went there escapes me. As does most of your analysis. But, since you did:

Priddis is actually in his 4th year (not 3rd) and while 24 (thats only 1 year younger than Nico not the 2 you stated). He has 52 games played. He is a solid inside tackler who has zero pace, little poise, and very poor skills. I thought it was telling when Woosha said post game that you have to wait until 50 games but you have to decide at that point whether "this is as good as it gets" with your 50 game players. It is with Priddis.

Nico is actually in his 6th year (not 5th) and has missed half his first, half his third and 90% of his 4th - all to long term injuries. He has played 76 games and is at best a good ordinary player. But he has some pace and some flair. And as stated he is 25, not the 26 you went with.

I mean do you just make stuff up or do you actually not have any idea what you are typing?

 

[Eagle87]

The proof is in the pudding, we need offensive weapons and defensive pressure. Rosa, Nicoski and Seaby realistically are the first on the chopping block. Schofield, Houlihan and Swift are next in line.
Eagle Ant is speaking sense, current midfield is c class and we are waiting for our young players to come to the fore.

Everyone, me more than most, realises the current midfield is C Class but I am unsure how dropping a half back and a back up ruckman fixes that?

For the record, B Jones would be more in the gun than Nico and if its offensive weapons we need Nico would be ahead of several. He does attack and he does run and carry.....

Anytime you say "Eagle Ant is speaking sense" I have to assume you are pissed...

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Lecras in.

Throw a dart atthe board to find our who isses and make these guys take responsability for their pathetic perfomance last night.

More importantly Nisbett needs to also tell worsfold to take some responsability also. gte a forward structure, play the corridor and see what happens. try it Woosh. We can deal with it as long as you try it.

 

[Max zero]

Lecras in.

Throw a dart atthe board to find our who isses and make these guys take responsability for their pathetic perfomance last night.

More importantly Nisbett needs to also tell worsfold to take some responsability also. gte a forward structure, play the corridor and see what happens. try it Woosh. We can deal with it as long as you try it.

"Get a forward structure"? Just like that eh?

We have a forward structure this year. It has been inaccurate but it makes plenty of opportunities. It was poor yesterday but it wasn't alone in that regard.

I love it when people "play the corridor". If there is 1 WC player and 3 opposition players in the corridor do you still play it down the middle? Especially if you have 2 free players on the flank?

The reason we go wide is that our HF line has been poor for quite some time. The introduction of Kennedy seems are significant improvement at CHF but our HF stocks have been weak for quite sometime.

This is why we bomb the ball so much into our f50 because we have no HF targets. It's good to see McKinley and (eventually) Lecras move out to the HF line because it helps spread the defense and give us more reliable and effective paths to goal.

 

[Underdog]

If anything, despite it's inaccuracy, our forward line has been pretty decent this year. We've certainly had enough shots at goal to be much higher on the ladder then we are.

Saturday night was just one of those games where everything falls apart. Considering we couldn't hit even the simplest of targets meant we were never going to seriously threaten. The only 2 good deliveries I can remember (I was behind the goals at the city end so I may have missed some at the other end) were by Chris Masten and I think we goaled from both. Other then that, the delivery was a disgrace.

The amount of times Kennedy or Lynch got on a good lead forward in the corridor only to have the ball looped up so they stop, prop and have the ball spoiled easily was absurd.

 

[bunsen burner]

get a forward structure, play the corridor and see what happens. try it Woosh. We can deal with it as long as you try it.

Let's build the midfield first. Kennedy, Lecras, and possible Notte will fire if our midfield team is top 3.

But I do agree it will still need some structure. I don't think we'll end up as good as Cox, Kerr, Cousins, Judd where we could just lump a handful dead trees in the forward line and win games.

But let's build the midfield first, then worry about our forward structure.

 

[Alphanumeric]

Is it Swift time yet??

Yeah I reckon it is.

How did he go on the weekend??

 

[bodazoka]

the case in point was sam gilbert. there was a particular play where essendon where coming out of defence and shanked a kick to gilbert who dropped a sitter and an essendon swooper came and carried the ball forward. now essendon ended up taking the ball the length of the ground and goaling but gilbert chased the ball, sprinting all the way from his half forward line deep into the back pocket (about 120 metres) doing everything in his power to try and fix his mistake and stop the goal.

Thats what I love about watching St Kilda, there are numerous occasions where this happens and honestly more often than not youll chase a bloke and bairly get a finger on him but he knows your coming and thats enough for him to rush the kick just that little bit. This ends up in the kick just missing the target a little bit, half an inch even.. that opens the door for the next guy to spoil because the kick was off a bit.

Just that tireless attack on the man and/or ball is great to see and I wish that more of our players watched blokes do that.

As for changes....

Outs: Scooter, Ebert
Ins: Stinga, LeCras

A bit of midfield experience and can tag, LeCras is a given. Lets face it they all played crap its hard to even single out a bloke to go out IMO.

 

[Eagle87]

Thats what I love about watching St Kilda, there are numerous occasions where this happens and honestly more often than not youll chase a bloke and bairly get a finger on him but he knows your coming and thats enough for him to rush the kick just that little bit. This ends up in the kick just missing the target a little bit, half an inch even.. that opens the door for the next guy to spoil because the kick was off a bit.

Just that tireless attack on the man and/or ball is great to see and I wish that more of our players watched blokes do that.

As for changes....

Outs: Scooter, Ebert
Ins: Stinga, LeCras

A bit of midfield experience and can tag, LeCras is a given. Lets face it they all played crap its hard to even single out a bloke to go out IMO.

While I agree that its hard to single anyone out, its not hard to start making some decisions with the future in mind. Dropping 2 very promising kids in place of Stinga seems a backward step IMO.

Given we all generally agree our overall midfield is C grade, why drop 2 19 year old mids who have shown a bit?

I mean Rosa isn't the future, surely he is a better candidate for the bin this week? Brett Jones stays in based on the weekend (and he was a last minute call up anyway)? I would persist with the kids unless they are completely dire or need a rest, then I would start to put the acid on anyone with 50 games+ who looks like they are just list clogger types. The types who are what they are, arent very good and aren't improving. There are a few of those in the group....