Changes for Round 10

[Embers]

I dont disagree that we have given some opportunity ahead of others BUT ....

As Woosh said last night, Masten is starting to feel more comfortable in himself (which means his body is starting to feel up to AFL) and certainly they have been waiting for him to get to that point. He had a minimal pre-season relatively speaking and is still "getting there". He had 3 kicks into our attacking zone yesterday that were the best 3 our team had all night. He is also still not playing anywhere enough as a starting centre square player - which is his position.

Ebert has gone backwards this year. One hopes its related to coming back from the injury and again, the limited pre-season.

Houlihan deserves a spot, but he is generally outside and IMO needs to play Rosa's role. I would do that swap every day of the week but the coaches do worry about loading up on inexperience.

Swift is the future but given his last 2 years and his modfied pre-season they are being cautious... I would pick him immediately.

Davis, I remain unconvinced, - we need pace and he is 100% committed to everything he does BUT he sprays the ball worse than Nico and Fletch and he makes poor decisions. He does that at WAFL level as well. I like his speed and competitiveness but, not sure...

... and apologies for my grumpiness this morning!

Not comfortable enough. He can kick the ball but he cant win a clearance, lay a tackle, run into space or lay a shepherd. Hes a winger at best atm but then again hes lazy and unfit so that leaves him as a forward crumber. Let him get comfortable at AFL level at WAFL level. For now why not bring a Stenglein in so he can protect the Kerrs and lets get Hurn in the middle. Someone whose actually ready for that role

Ebert and backwards is a understatement. Would be on the verge of delisting if he wasnt a 1st round draft pick on last nights effort alone

 

[TOA.]

Not comfortable enough. He can kick the ball but he cant win a clearance, lay a tackle, run into space or lay a shepherd. Hes a winger at best atm but then again hes lazy and unfit so that leaves him as a forward crumber. Let him get comfortable at AFL level at WAFL level. For now why not bring a Stenglein in so he can protect the Kerrs and lets get Hurn in the middle. Someone whose actually ready for that role

Ebert and backwards is a understatement. Would be on the verge of delisting if he wasnt a 1st round draft pick on last nights effort alone

What the **** have you been smoking Embers. Seriously.

Ebert had NO preseason and it shows. You CANNOT expect a just turned 19 year old to walk into AFL games without a preseason and just slot in first game back after screwing around with Peel out in Mandurah. He needs time to adjust.

 

[Embers]

What the **** have you been smoking Embers. Seriously.

Ebert had NO preseason and it shows. You CANNOT expect a just turned 19 year old to walk into AFL games without a preseason and just slot in first game back after screwing around with Peel out in Mandurah. He needs time to adjust.

I just dislike players who dont run hard enough. He has to stay at Peel for the year IMO and get some fitness or something. We dont have time to piss fart around and gift wrap him games at AFL level

 

[TOA.]

I just dislike players who dont run hard enough. He has to stay at Peel for the year IMO and get some fitness or something. We dont have time to piss fart around and gift wrap him games at AFL level

Well its a balancing act because you wont get AFL fitness playing crappy WAFL. AFL is a massive step up, its another game all together. The only way you will learn to adjust to AFL intensity and running is by playing.

I personally think we are much better off getting games into guys like Ebert, at least initially give him a chance to adjust. If he is still finding it hard then send him back again. Need to show faith in the young guys. Belief is one of the most important traits young players need to make it. And just a hot tip, they are not going to get it with hot-headed 'supporters' jumping on their back at every chance.

 

[anti.]

ebert just doesnt inspire really. im unsure why he's even in the team considering his lack of preseason and current form.

let him play 4 solids weeks of wafl before he comes back in.

our effort last night was beyond pathetic.

in saying that, i reckon we'll take it upto carlton next week for no apparent reason.

 

[Mop]

hmmm naitanui eh?

im seeing guys like rich, hill tearing it up, but our younger brigade is struggling or is stymied in their development

why did we waste a draft pick drafting a guy like tony notte? that move shapes as well as us drafting brandon hill

and then i thought beau wilkes showed promise last year, but he seems to have gone backwards as well

Notte will be a gun.
He was never going to be a one or two year proposition.

Not sure what else you expected tbh.

 

[Embers]

Well its a balancing act because you wont get AFL fitness playing crappy WAFL. AFL is a massive step up, its another game all together. The only way you will learn to adjust to AFL intensity and running is by playing.

I personally think we are much better off getting games into guys like Ebert, at least initially give him a chance to adjust. If he is still finding it hard then send him back again. Need to show faith in the young guys. Belief is one of the most important traits young players need to make it. And just a hot tip, they are not going to get it with hot-headed 'supporters' jumping on their back at every chance.

Its not a lack of form im worried or annoyed about. Form is temporary, class is permanent. Its the lack of effort that really annoys me. If you looked at those GPS trackers last night I guarantee per min on the ground, Ebert ran less than any other midfielder in the game and Masten wouldnt of been too far behind after half time

 

[TOA.]

Its not a lack of form im worried or annoyed about. Form is temporary, class is permanent. Its the lack of effort that really annoys me. If you looked at those GPS trackers last night I guarantee per min on the ground, Ebert ran less than any other midfielder in the game and Masten wouldnt of been too far behind after half time

I thought Ebert tried hard but he struggled to run it out, he was blowing into the second quarter. I really cannot believe the pressure placed on him by supporters. He was down but so was our WHOLE SIDE. How some can single out individual players, let alone a 19yr old, first game back & who didnt have a preseason but ignore others efforts like Kerr whose disposal was so bad that he was basically an extra Pies player (8 clangers alone) really confuses me.

 

[royalsfan]

Out: Seaby ( should NEVER again wear an Eagles jumper)
Rosa ( has been given unlimited chances - not good enough)
Jones ( sadly , as I really like him but is out of form)

In: Le Cras ( i wonder whether any of the other players had a touch of the gastro which he had - could explain the lack of intensity of a few of them)
McNamara ( shows a lot more guts than Rosa)
Stenglein ( we need a mature, level head in the middle)

I really, really hope that both Masten and Ebert are suffering from a lack of preseason as they both have a long way to go to live up to their draft positions.
Daniel needs someone to help him out - he also didn't appear fit tonight.
Lynchy needs to get some mongrel into his game. He should be smashing bodies out there. The worst game I have seen from him in a long time.

We are lucky to have two Selwoods in the side! Adam shows the way week after week in his attack on the footy and putting his body ( and head) on the line. Young Scotty has the same Selwood traits. He will be a star.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Sumich is a bad forward coach. McKinley is not a Heady he is more of a Russell Robertson. The sooner he realizes that the better.

So what is he then? An under sized full forward who can't play anywhere but 30m from goal, preferably on a smaller opponent?

Doesn't sound like a guy who's going to last the distance in the AFL to me..

 

[CursoryMercenary]

So what is he then? An under sized full forward who can't play anywhere but 30m from goal, preferably on a smaller opponent?

Doesn't sound like a guy who's going to last the distance in the AFL to me..

Full-Foward; foward pocket.

He will go the distance but we are holding back his development by playing him out of position.

 

[Frodo]

Out: Seaby ( should NEVER again wear an Eagles jumper)
Rosa ( has been given unlimited chances - not good enough)
Jones ( sadly , as I really like him but is out of form)

In: Le Cras ( i wonder whether any of the other players had a touch of the gastro which he had - could explain the lack of intensity of a few of them)
McNamara ( shows a lot more guts than Rosa)
Stenglein ( we need a mature, level head in the middle)

I really, really hope that both Masten and Ebert are suffering from a lack of preseason as they both have a long way to go to live up to their draft positions.
Daniel needs someone to help him out - he also didn't appear fit tonight.
Lynchy needs to get some mongrel into his game. He should be smashing bodies out there. The worst game I have seen from him in a long time.

We are lucky to have two Selwoods in the side! Adam shows the way week after week in his attack on the footy and putting his body ( and head) on the line. Young Scotty has the same Selwood traits. He will be a star.

I'd agree with those in's and outs, but I was very interested in what MM had to say after the game. He reckons the gulf between AFL and VFL/WAFL has never been bigger, mainly due to endurance levels. He says those players and young players are shattered by half time, and that it takes quite a while to build up the endurance. They are also very sore afterwards.

I think he's correct, but if so we should be rotating, maybe two weeks playing and one weeks rest for our numerous youngsters.

I think stinga is in a leader and the kids need him (could do with Chicky really, what an example).

Lecca picks himself, but I go for Jaymac too because he's an outside player and most of our kids are in and under types.

Whilst I don't advocate selecting him, Fletch is a missing playing type, a linkman running into space. We had Rojo, Braun and Fletch. I can't see any replacement for that type of player.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Still bless his heart for trying. The likes of Masten and Ebert could learn a thing or two about hard ball gets and running from him. Masten and Ebert have more talent in there pinkies then Priddis has in his whole body yet Priddis is forging a AFL career while the other 2 are one step away from WAFL immortality

Doing more than he is considering he is starting on ball for 70% of the match.
He would be getting your praise if he started of the forward flank, Ebert did things last night in contested situations worthy of equal praise.

After last night Ebert and Masten are a step away from taking that hacks job so talk it up.

 

[Suma]

IN: Hunter
Stenglein
LeCras



OUT: Seaby
Priddis
Ebert



Seaby is simply making up numbers, nothing more, has no desire to play for the football club. Priddis' complete lack of efficiency with the ball has gone on long enough. As for Ebert, I believe the hype that has been made of him has been totally overblown and he needs more WAFL time - certainly more then the other young players do, atleast they are having a crack at times.

 

[larrikin]

Isnt and never will be good enough for a starting midfield spot. His best use is as a impact player off the bench. Look at my ins and outs a few pages back to see my thoughts. I want youngsters in, and some youngsters out in all honesty.

Make Masten and Ebert earn a game. So far in their careers they have been gift wrapped opportunities they dont deserve. Swift Houlihan Davis are much more deserving and work ALOT harder than these 2

So, let me get this straight. Now you want Masten dropped?

He's gradually working his way into it and has been in our top half of performers for the last 3 weeks, progression you would expect to see into games 10-15.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

What the **** have you been smoking Embers. Seriously.

Ebert had NO preseason and it shows. You CANNOT expect a just turned 19 year old to walk into AFL games without a preseason and just slot in first game back after screwing around with Peel out in Mandurah. He needs time to adjust.

Agree. His lost his marbles, obviously Ebert does need endurance work. But his an awsome talent and once he builds a strong endurance base with injury free preseasons he will be allot better than some these hacks who cant his the side of barn from ten meters away.

When on fire his work inside is better than Priddis, he is clean inside with his hands and will spot up an outside reciever well. I want Woosha to kill the rolling zone, if our junior players run themselves of thier feet trying to stick to it then they cant attack and if our senior players cant kick then when on the attack then we get slaughted on the flip side. It's not working.

 

[The Passenger]

I think he's correct, but if so we should be rotating, maybe two weeks playing and one weeks rest for our numerous youngsters.

i advocated this around about round 2 or 3.

year after year you see that young teams really fall apart in the last 6 weeks because their bodies just aren't used to the strain a full season of top level football places on their bodies.

i think aside from Hurn, LeCras and MacKenzie, every one of our under 23 players should be playing 2 out of every 6 or 7 weeks in the WAFL, or even just resting up completely.

It will really help them physically and it will also get more young guys getting some game time. I think there are 23 players who are born in 1986 or after on our senior list, and there is very little between our 5th or 6th best (probably Masten, mitch brown) and our 18th best (probably Houlihan - although some would argue he's above that).... but those guys at the bottom of the list aren't getting a run at the moment so we're not getting to see what they can do at this level.

 

[Eagle87]

Full-Foward; foward pocket.

He will go the distance but we are holding back his development by playing him out of position.

So to re-iterate the comment you are responding to, he is a player who can only play close to goal leading out from the square? The RR comparison isnt right as he doesnt have the leap and freakish marking skill of Robertson. He is a good mark but not a leaper who imposes himself on contests from all sorts of angles and takes numerous contested marks.

Can you run me through the list of players in, say, the last decade who are 185cm and who play as goal square based leading forwards who are of modest pace and modest agility? He showed again last night that he is also, at best, only adequate with the ball below his knees.

The reason that the coaches have been trying to develop him as a player who can contribute further up the ground is because as an undersized marking forward who can only play out of the goal square with modest athleticism, he is of limited long term value.

Lots of guys have been able to kick 4 or 5 goals in the home & away season only to be exposed in big games and in finals. The Bulldogs give us a demo every season of the inherent problems of building a side around undersized forwards.

He needs to be a guy who can play as a real mid-sized player and can add something up the field - getting 4 goals, 3 of which were either gimmes (the kick to him by the opposition) or after it was over, hardly adds to the discussion. We went through this 15 years ago with Jason Heatley who Mick reckoned you couldnt build around because he was too small for a marking forward - he went to the Saints had one good season, one McKinley like 40 goal season and then a couple of season where he floundered in the 2's and was then delisted (played 60 games in all). He proved in that time that he could kick goals but that he could do little else and that in big games, when teams wanted to shut him down, they could.

Just as Mick suspected.

McKinley is 5 cm shorter than Heatley. He isnt Robbo. He needs to get a fair bit better to ensure a career.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Out: In:
Rosa Houlihan
Seaby Naitanui
Butler Swift
Lynch Schofield
Nicoski Spangher
Bones LeCras

Do:
-Bring Brown Forward
-Use A.Selwood and Hurn as our small backmen.


Do not:
- Give S.Selwood a negative role through the Midfield.
- Put Swift on the HBF.
-

 

[Mop]

IN: Davis Swift Natanui Stenglein LeCras
OUT: Seaby Ebert Nicoski Bones Cockie

FB: Wirra Glass Davis
HB: Lynch McKenzie A.Selwood
C: Swift Kerr Embley
HF: Rosa Kennedy Masten
FF: McKinley M.Brown LeCras
R: Cox Stenglein Hurn
I/C : Butler Natanui S.Selwood Priddis

Where is HOULIHAAAAAN.
Disagree with Cockie.

 

[Mop]

Out: In:
Rosa Houlihan
Seaby Naitanui
Butler Swift
Lynch Schofield
Nicoski Spangher
Bones LeCras

Do:
-Bring Brown Forward
-Use A.Selwood and Hurn as our small backmen.


Do not:
- Give S.Selwood a negative role through the Midfield.
- Put Swift on the HBF.
-

Disagree with Lynch and Nicoski.
Lynch needs a role.
If Seaby goes out, Naitanui won't come in, he's still not ready.
Nicoski was (relatively) good last night.

 

[Altum Volantes]

So to re-iterate the comment you are responding to, he is a player who can only play close to goal leading out from the square? The RR comparison isnt right as he doesnt have the leap and freakish marking skill of Robertson. He is a good mark but not a leaper who imposes himself on contests from all sorts of angles and takes numerous contested marks.

Can you run me through the list of players in, say, the last decade who are 185cm and who play as goal square based leading forwards who are of modest pace and modest agility? He showed again last night that he is also, at best, only adequate with the ball below his knees.

The reason that the coaches have been trying to develop him as a player who can contribute further up the ground is because as an undersized marking forward who can only play out of the goal square with modest athleticism, he is of limited long term value.

Lots of guys have been able to kick 4 or 5 goals in the home & away season only to be exposed in big games and in finals. The Bulldogs give us a demo every season of the inherent problems of building a side around undersized forwards.

He needs to be a guy who can play as a real mid-sized player and can add something up the field - getting 4 goals, 3 of which were either gimmes (the kick to him by the opposition) or after it was over, hardly adds to the discussion. We went through this 15 years ago with Jason Heatley who Mick reckoned you couldnt build around because he was too small for a marking forward - he went to the Saints had one good season, one McKinley like 40 goal season and then a couple of season where he floundered in the 2's and was then delisted (played 60 games in all). He proved in that time that he could kick goals but that he could do little else and that in big games, when teams wanted to shut him down, they could.

Just as Mick suspected.

McKinley is 5 cm shorter than Heatley. He isnt Robbo. He needs to get a fair bit better to ensure a career.

Well yeah, I was just not in the mood to write all that.

 

[bunsen burner]

Out: In:
Rosa Houlihan
Seaby Naitanui
Butler Swift
Lynch Schofield
Nicoski Spangher
Bones LeCras

Do:
-Bring Brown Forward
-Use A.Selwood and Hurn as our small backmen.


Do not:
- Give S.Selwood a negative role through the Midfield.
- Put Swift on the HBF.
-

I like this idea. I've continously seen people who want Selwood and Hurn to be mids. They're ok, but if they're our midfield we won't win a flag. Both these guys should be solid backs replacing nico, bones, wirra. Unfortunately we have to wait for Masten, Swift, Shuey etc to get up to speed for midfield roles.

 

[wirra44]

Out: Whole team
IN: Whole Western Force Team(We need good tacklers)

But Seriously the coaching staff should get some of the western force players to come down and teach them how to tackle because our tackling is disgusting.

 

[Belgarion]

why did we waste a draft pick drafting a guy like tony notte? that move shapes as well as us drafting brandon hill

Tony Notte was drafted as a project player. I haven't given up on him yet. He may come good in time as he puts more muscle.

Brandon Hill was a top 10 pick (I can't remember the exact number), while Notte was pick 26, IIRC.