Changes for round 2

[BETON5]

In. Dunn, Sylvia, Bartram
Out. Weetra, Garland, Yze

Your nearly spot on ther mate..

 

[BETON5]

IN: Rivers, Sylvia, Frawley, Whelan

OUT: Yze, Morton, Wheatley, Carroll

Morton will not be dropped he was in our best 6 one of 3 who was having a go

 

[CowboyFromHell]

Can someone delete this wankas post?

EDIT - Thanks, Marns.

Deleted too soon!! I wanted to see it!

 

[saj_21]

Give the young blokes ago, senior players like Green, Yze, White, Robbo, Carroll, Miller, Bruce (give him a chance to get fit first) should all be put on notice start performing and if dont then your dropped. Let nieta play out his final year, he is not what he was 3 years ago but his effort and endevour is still their. MacDonald falls into a similar category.

Rivers, Bartram, Sylvia, Frawley and Dunn are the future give them a go.

 

[CowboyFromHell]

Give the young blokes ago, senior players like Green, Yze, White, Robbo, Carroll, Miller, Bruce (give him a chance to get fit first) should all be put on notice start performing and if dont then your dropped. Let nieta play out his final year, he is not what he was 3 years ago but his effort and endevour is still their. MacDonald falls into a similar category.

Rivers, Bartram, Sylvia, Frawley and Dunn are the future give them a go.

Those last 5 you mentioned, plus Whelan, should all play on Saturday.

 

[saj_21]

Those last 5 you mentioned, plus Whelan, should all play on Saturday.

Agree Wheelan should definitely play, but i didnt mention him with the other guys due to him been a senior player who only has 2-3 years left in him.

 

[theone5]

OK.
Look, did Whelan play in the practice match this week and does anyone know anything "official" about how he is travelling with his ankle?

If i was Bailey, i would make a minimum of 4 changes this week...

 

[CaptainDavey]

OK.
Look, did Whelan play in the practice match this week and does anyone know anything "official" about how he is travelling with his ankle?

If i was Bailey, i would make a minimum of 4 changes this week...

I don't think anything official has been released but most talk suggest that he probably should get a run. In a game which is full of short people, we'll probably need our #1 midget crusher

 

[master bate]

Please read this before anyone posts more speculative shit. Obviously this might not be spot on but its a lot better than nothing.

Sandringham 25.15.165 defeated Box Hill 6.12.48
Dropped in for the first half and Jace Bode, Colin Sylvia and Brent Moloney did not play for Sandy. Don't know why Moloney was on the list in the first place. Also missing was CJ.

By half time Sandringham had a 13 goal lead and every Melbourne player was making a contribution. Benny had 4 goals against no opposition. Lynden Dunn (on the ball and pushing forward) was scintillating and had three goals by quarter time. Jared Rivers and Clint Bartram were excellent and Wheels is working his way back into the game.
Meeson played.....he's very agile for a guy his size...ran a and chased hard...

Frawley played as well...did ok...but look a bit out of sorts...didn't see all that much of the ball...Warnock likewise...

Jamar played very well.....took a lot of marks...his kicking has improved...and he appaers to have picked up a yard or two..

So my changes would be
Out: Garland, Weetra, Yze, Petterd
In: Rivers, Dunn, Bartram, Sylvia

FB: Bell Carroll Bartram
HB:Wheatley Miller Rivers
C: Green McLean Buckley
HF: Davey Newton Sylvia
FF: Robertson Neitz Bruce
Foll: White Jones McDonald
Int: PJ, Moloney, Dunn, Morton

I've dropped 3 kids but I think they will be better off at the VFL level. Garland should start at CHF for Sandy, with Weetra along side him and Petterd looked like he physically wasn't ready for AFL and needs to go back and get his fitness up (remember he missed alot of preseason). 4 tough young players come in. I get the feeling as much as we all want him Whelan will not be ready (also sounds like Frawley needs a few games) and despite the Bulldogs lack of height I've persisted with Miller. I think he was only as bad as Carroll on Sunday and we seriously need to groom some tall defenders. He deserves another chance until I hear Stef Martin is knocking on the door for a game.

 

[SAINTERS06]

did c.bartram play for sandy on the weekend?
chance of getting a call up this week?

 

[Sylvia Saint]

Please read this before anyone posts more speculative shit. Obviously this might not be spot on but its a lot better than nothing.



So my changes would be
Out: Garland, Weetra, Yze, Petterd
In: Rivers, Dunn, Bartram, Sylvia

FB: Bell Carroll Bartram
HB:Wheatley Miller Rivers
C: Green McLean Buckley
HF: Davey Newton Sylvia
FF: Robertson Neitz Bruce
Foll: White Jones McDonald
Int: PJ, Moloney, Dunn, Morton

I've dropped 3 kids but I think they will be better off at the VFL level. Garland should start at CHF for Sandy, with Weetra along side him and Petterd looked like he physically wasn't ready for AFL and needs to go back and get his fitness up (remember he missed alot of preseason). 4 tough young players come in. I get the feeling as much as we all want him Whelan will not be ready (also sounds like Frawley needs a few games) and despite the Bulldogs lack of height I've persisted with Miller. I think he was only as bad as Carroll on Sunday and we seriously need to groom some tall defenders. He deserves another chance until I hear Stef Martin is knocking on the door for a game.

I like the look of that side and would even go as far as saying we can come away with a victory on Saturday. Only Bate and Whelan missing otherwise it's just about our best 22.

 

[Magpie_Matty]

Is Maric ready to play yet? because our tired forward line needs someone to stand up and be counted (as opposed to laying down and being mounted).

i no addam pretty well from junior footy

he was named on the primary list for round 1 before they named the 22

so that might throw him in the mix come thursday night

 

[hoddo]

Assuming that Bate and Bartram are not yet ready, I'd go with the following team.

FB: Whelan Carroll Bell
HB: Wheatley Rivers Petterd
C: Moloney Jones Bruce
HF: Green Miller Sylvia
FF: Robertson Newton Davey
R: White McLean McDonald
INT: Neitz P.Johnson Dunn Holland
Emg: Buckley Garland Yze

In: Whelan Rivers Sylvia Dunn Holland
Out: Weetra Buckley Garland Yze Morton

Contrary to popular opinion I feel there were too many young players last week, not too few. That's not to say that many of the senior players weren't pathetic - they were - but to throw out the senior players and throw the kids to the wolves is not the answer.

There are a few contentious selections in my team, particularly the following.

Carroll:
Many want him gone and that's understandable as his terrible effort on Sunday follows on from some lamentable efforts late last season. However, it should be remembered that in 2006 he wasn't far off all-Australian selection. Since then he's played without the support of Rivers and I believe he's suffered greatly from that. If he doesn't improve quickly once Rivers is back I'll agree to getting rid of him, but I want see how he performs with Rivers first.

Miller:
Number one on everyone's hit list, but I've often argued in this forum that he's not a defender. He showed early in his career that he had the makings of a top CHF, but Neil Daniher ruined his confidence by trying to make him a defender. Successive coaches have continued this failed experiment. It's time to put him at CHF and leave him there. If he continues to fail then by all means give him the boot - but oif he succeeds we could have the most sought after player in Aussie Rules - a top CHF. It's worth at least trying.

Neitz:
A wonderful player over many years, but time may have caught up with him. In recent years he's been a hot and cold proposition at FF and sadly it's been cold far more often than hot. He deserves to play out his career in the seniors, but he can no longer lay claim to the FF position. Newton has shown he's ready to take over and his developement will be hindered if he doesn't do so now.

Yze:
Maybe not so contentious. One decent game in 2 years just isn't good enough. Worse than his poor return is the impression he gives that he simply doesn't care. Lucky to be an emergency in my team.

Holland:
Another player who polarises oponion in this forum. It's clear that he can't be considered part of the club's long term future, but he's still on the list and he's capable of playing with great effect at both ends of the ground. As such he's an extremely useful player to have on the bench.

Dunn:
Has to be in the team, but he's such a versatile player that it's hard to know where to put him. A future star who can play defence, midfield or forward - possibly even CHF.


Room would have to be found for both Bate and Bartram who are automatic selections when fit, possibly at the expense of Holland and Moloney.

There are a lot of promising kids who miss out in my team - such as Garland, Frawley, Buckley, Bode, Morton and Meeson. I'm sure their chances will come as injuries occur, but their ultimate careers will be far better served by being brought along gradually than by playing together in a senior team full of kids that sees soul destroying slaughters such as last Sunday occurring on a regular basis.

 

[BETON5]

Assuming that Bate and Bartram are not yet ready, I'd go with the following team.

FB: Whelan Carroll Bell
HB: Wheatley Rivers Petterd
C: Moloney Jones Bruce
HF: Green Miller Sylvia
FF: Robertson Newton Davey
R: White McLean McDonald
INT: Neitz P.Johnson Dunn Holland
Emg: Buckley Garland Yze

In: Whelan Rivers Sylvia Dunn Holland
Out: Weetra Buckley Garland Yze Morton

Contrary to popular opinion I feel there were too many young players last week, not too few. That's not to say that many of the senior players weren't pathetic - they were - but to throw out the senior players and throw the kids to the wolves is not the answer.

There are a few contentious selections in my team, particularly the following.

Carroll:
Many want him gone and that's understandable as his terrible effort on Sunday follows on from some lamentable efforts late last season. However, it should be remembered that in 2006 he wasn't far off all-Australian selection. Since then he's played without the support of Rivers and I believe he's suffered greatly from that. If he doesn't improve quickly once Rivers is back I'll agree to getting rid of him, but I want see how he performs with Rivers first.

Miller:
Number one on everyone's hit list, but I've often argued in this forum that he's not a defender. He showed early in his career that he had the makings of a top CHF, but Neil Daniher ruined his confidence by trying to make him a defender. Successive coaches have continued this failed experiment. It's time to put him at CHF and leave him there. If he continues to fail then by all means give him the boot - but oif he succeeds we could have the most sought after player in Aussie Rules - a top CHF. It's worth at least trying.

Neitz:
A wonderful player over many years, but time may have caught up with him. In recent years he's been a hot and cold proposition at FF and sadly it's been cold far more often than hot. He deserves to play out his career in the seniors, but he can no longer lay claim to the FF position. Newton has shown he's ready to take over and his developement will be hindered if he doesn't do so now.

Yze:
Maybe not so contentious. One decent game in 2 years just isn't good enough. Worse than his poor return is the impression he gives that he simply doesn't care. Lucky to be an emergency in my team.

Holland:
Another player who polarises oponion in this forum. It's clear that he can't be considered part of the club's long term future, but he's still on the list and he's capable of playing with great effect at both ends of the ground. As such he's an extremely useful player to have on the bench.

Dunn:
Has to be in the team, but he's such a versatile player that it's hard to know where to put him. A future star who can play defence, midfield or forward - possibly even CHF.


Room would have to be found for both Bate and Bartram who are automatic selections when fit, possibly at the expense of Holland and Moloney.

There are a lot of promising kids who miss out in my team - such as Garland, Frawley, Buckley, Bode, Morton and Meeson. I'm sure their chances will come as injuries occur, but their ultimate careers will be far better served by being brought along gradually than by playing together in a senior team full of kids that sees soul destroying slaughters such as last Sunday occurring on a regular basis.

Great post HODO i just want us to come out and play good solid attacking football and if we do we can beat any side.

 

[unstable punt]

Holland/Meesen/Jamar ?

?

No Jamar

 

[unstable punt]

i no addam pretty well from junior footy

he was named on the primary list for round 1 before they named the 22

so that might throw him in the mix come thursday night

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they have got to play him, keep playing the young blokes

 

[unstable punt]

That backline is FAR too tall, especially against the Dogs. Bring in Frawley and Rivers, but also bring in Whelan and Bartram to go with Bell and Petterd to counter the smalls. Martin isn't ready and Chris Johnson is freaking rubbish.

Dunn and Sylvia on to the flanks is a good move, but I'd like to see Robbo get the arse. White is a 50/50 for me, but I don't think Bailey will go that far... yet.

C.Johnson is not freakin' rubbish, Miller has to go and Carroll as well, the bacline sucks at the minute

 

[The Demon]

C.Johnson is not freakin' rubbish, Miller has to go and Carroll as well, the bacline sucks at the minute

A lot of posters are unfairly critical IMO of the backlines efforts on Sunday V Hawthorn.

The Hawthorn ball carriers streaming down the field continuously under no pressure allowed pinpoint delivery to their forwards.No backline is going to stop that.

It was a mistake not to play Davey in the Forward Pocket on Sunday as he can apply pressure on the opposition defenders and aslo crumb the ball from our forwards.

He spent most of the game running around like a "Hairy Goat" with no idea of what to do.

Hoping for a much better effort from the boys on Saturday and after the Round One debacle would consider anything under a 50 point loss against the Bulldogs as a win.

 

[eliasd82]

out-
bruce carroll green miller robertson weathley white (soft dosent work hard enoght) yze mcdonald (just a footballer too old slow) neitz (cant get a kick too old too slow play him last 2-3 rounds as a swan song)

in-
bartram bate bode dunn frawley meesen rivers syliva jamar grimes



play the kids

Grimes has shin splints and that post was riduclous.

 

[the russian40]

A lot of posters are unfairly critical IMO of the backlines efforts on Sunday V Hawthorn.

The Hawthorn ball carriers streaming down the field continuously under no pressure allowed pinpoint delivery to their forwards.No backline is going to stop that.

quote]

totally agree, to their credit (the backline) the leading players were generally under pressure when they were in a marking contest, but if a midfielder is 5 meters in the clear running straight down the middle its much much easier for a forward

 

[RandB]

That backline is FAR too tall, especially against the Dogs. Bring in Frawley and Rivers, but also bring in Whelan and Bartram to go with Bell and Petterd to counter the smalls. Martin isn't ready and Chris Johnson is freaking rubbish.

Dunn and Sylvia on to the flanks is a good move, but I'd like to see Robbo get the arse. White is a 50/50 for me, but I don't think Bailey will go that far... yet.

Martin is not ready for CHB but put him in a pocket for a year or two or half back flank, he is a definite future player and needs game time now.

Robbo and Neitz look like they are playing as if it is round 18 - stuffed.

Whelan is currently a required player but he is 29 this year. Do we go with him (as we need to) or do we roll the dice and say his position is required for bringing on a youngster? -Tough call I know. Frawley and Rivers definitely in.

I would have liked to see Weetra get another game this week, perfect size against the dogs and has agility and pace. Confidence plays a large part with young footballers and Weetra looks to me to be a confidence type player so the Dogs game could have set him.

We are going to have a dilema this year of which youngsters to keep for consecutive games. You can't bring on juniors optimally 1 game on 1 game off at a time. It is better to do it 2 or 3 games then some off. Having said that we have many youngsters to blood so it won't be easy.

Agree with Dunn and Sylvia. Dunn and Martin will be our book ends CHF & CHB in a couple of years.

Sadly Yze is a non-event and I don't see him doing too much this year. Replace him with Bode, both left footers and Bode has more run in him. Bode needs 2 or 3 games under his belt then could be quite good for us.

 

[lion_gooner]

why not play meesen as a tall midfielder???????

 

[Flowerpower]

why not play meesen as a tall midfielder???????

I don't care who gets picked - so long as the 22 put out on the field representing the might red and blue have a fair dinkum dip.

I want accountability, tenacity and a never say die attitude - that is what will gain some respect after the pitiful and timid display last week.

 

[dee-boxed]

Contray to everyone's belief from reports I received from people who watched sandy, Rivers may just need another game under his belt for them. His been out for long time now and after one or two games in Sandy everyone he expects him to be right for senior action. One more game for Sandy and bring him back against Geelong, my god will need him then.

It will be interesting to see what Bailey does in respect to selection this week, it will essentially illustrate what he wants to do for the majority of the season. Does he persist with a bunch of younger guys? Dropes several senior players?

I would personally like to see Yze, White, Bruce and Green omitted. This may seem a little extreme for some I can understand but these blokes haver had an easy ride at this football club for too long. Admittedly Bruce appeared under-done, a week back at Sandy won't do him no harm. For the other three they were all piss-weak last week; Green couldnt no man up (how many times did bateman have inside 50's in the first half alone?); White didn't do anything around the ground and Yze just look disinterested.

 

[saj_21]

Contray to everyone's belief from reports I received from people who watched sandy, Rivers may just need another game under his belt for them. His been out for long time now and after one or two games in Sandy everyone he expects him to be right for senior action. One more game for Sandy and bring him back against Geelong, my god will need him then.

It will be interesting to see what Bailey does in respect to selection this week, it will essentially illustrate what he wants to do for the majority of the season. Does he persist with a bunch of younger guys? Dropes several senior players?

I would personally like to see Yze, White, Bruce and Green omitted. This may seem a little extreme for some I can understand but these blokes haver had an easy ride at this football club for too long. Admittedly Bruce appeared under-done, a week back at Sandy won't do him no harm. For the other three they were all piss-weak last week; Green couldnt no man up (how many times did bateman have inside 50's in the first half alone?); White didn't do anything around the ground and Yze just look disinterested.

I dont think these guys should be omitted just yet, but certaintly do not persist with them if they dont perform. Personally if they dont perform they should be the first on the chopping block as opposed to the young guys.